Do I have to like the Jews?

[JaumeJ]

Mat 6:2 When therefore thou doest alms, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have received their reward.

Above is but one example of how our Savior delineates hypocrisy.

For anyone who claims to learn from Jesus Christ needs to ask if it is required to love Jews, I am afraid I must think there is something dreadfully wrong in that person's understanding, or worse.

This revealing of faulty thinking is not only godo to practice, it is rrecommednded in the Word.

I pray all who post here are inJesus Christ adn do love Him enough to learn from Him. After all, Jesus has invited us to learn directly from Him fulfilling the prophecy that we should be taught by God.

 

[LaurenTM]

The Centurion was an Israelite, which I assume brought his servant under Israel's mantle,
in the same way Abraham's household was a household of faith. (Either that or an OT Law brought him under his Master's jurisdiction).

9 When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

at the risk of being called vile:



the Centurion was an Israelite?

I guess that would make Nero from the tribe of Benjamin

yeah...ok...no

He was Roman like all the other Centurions

Act 10:1 KJV - There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

Act 10:2 KJV - A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Act 10:3 KJV - He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

Act 10:4 KJV - And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.


The first part of the Acts chapter 10:1 Cornelius was a roman Centurion stationed in Caesarea. remember many Israelites were Hellenized during the Greek rule(333-168 B.c) of Palestine and Conformed to the ways of Greek culture(1 Macc.Chapter 1 2 Macc. chapter 4)Rome conquer Greece and became the new world power 168 B.C. In 65 B.C Roman General Pompey capture Israel and again many Israelites conformed,became roman citizen and follow Roman culture as well and served in there military. (i.e Paul was in Israelite Acts 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia: a Roman Province which make him a legal citizen of Rome) similar to how America allows citizenship today.

 

[Laish]

Not the converts from Judaism to Christianity or Christians who adopt Jewish customs (nothing wrong with that), but religious Jews. Do I have to love (as in "your neighbor as yourself") that group of non-Christians anymore than any other non-Christian demographic?

[I'm not questioning whether I should support Israel. God made a promise to Abraham and never reneged it]

I have to ask . Why the question bro ?
You have read of course we are to love our neighbors. Where do you think that this should lead us ? We are to show the same love that Jesus had for us to before we were saved . God loved us before we loved Him . So yes love be respectful , them tell them the Gospel . Think about this .Many times the only Jesus people see is the Jesus in us .
This also goes for anyone no matter their ethnicity or religion.
Blessings
Bill

 

[hornetguy]

Der! You quote scripture all the time like you have a clue P-All.

Jesus would not have healed the Samaritans unless they were Israelites.



John 4
7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water:.......12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

I don't see any indication that the nationality of the person would keep Jesus from healing them... I think you are mistaken.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” [SUP]23 [/SUP]But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting [SUP][j][/SUP]at us.” [SUP]24 [/SUP]But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” [SUP]25 [/SUP]But she came and began [SUP][k][/SUP]to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” [SUP]26 [/SUP]And He answered and said, “It is not [SUP][l][/SUP]good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” [SUP]27 [/SUP]But she said, “Yes, Lord; [SUP][m][/SUP]but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” [SUP]28 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed [SUP][n][/SUP]at once.

Here he heals a Canaanite child, because of her mother's faith and persistence.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

I don't see any indication that the nationality of the person would keep Jesus from healing them... I think you are mistaken.



Here he heals a Canaanite child, because of her mother's faith and persistence.

Well, you are correct HG. Under those conditions Jesus did heal a non-Israelite woman.

But it is the exception that proves the rule, isn't it?

Jesus makes it clear that it is really against his ministry:

“It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”

The woman from Samaria at Sychar clearly is an Israelite, because Jesus refers to her father Jacob.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

The Abrahamic Covenant states.

"You shall be the ancestor of a multitude of nations."

When the Israelite tribes were scattered, the Bible doesn't really say too much about their whereabouts.

But they had spread far and wide for sure.

Jesus knew who his sheep were.

at the risk of being called vile:



the Centurion was an Israelite?

I guess that would make Nero from the tribe of Benjamin

yeah...ok...no

He was Roman like all the other Centurions

Act 10:1 KJV - There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

Act 10:2 KJV - A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Act 10:3 KJV - He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

Act 10:4 KJV - And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.


The first part of the Acts chapter 10:1 Cornelius was a roman Centurion stationed in Caesarea. remember many Israelites were Hellenized during the Greek rule(333-168 B.c) of Palestine and Conformed to the ways of Greek culture(1 Macc.Chapter 1 2 Macc. chapter 4)Rome conquer Greece and became the new world power 168 B.C. In 65 B.C Roman General Pompey capture Israel and again many Israelites conformed,became roman citizen and follow Roman culture as well and served in there military. (i.e Paul was in Israelite Acts 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia: a Roman Province which make him a legal citizen of Rome) similar to how America allows citizenship today.

 

[dcontroversal]

Where is it written the centurion was an Israelite?

No where....He was a Roman Soldier which makes the statement of faith even more astounding......

 

[Spurgeoncy]

It is absolutely clear from the text he is an Israelite.

6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
...
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

Jesus immediately agrees to minister to the Centurion's servant, which makes it quite clear that the Centurion is an Israelite.

 

[dcontroversal]

As Jesus enters Capernaum in Matt 8:5-13, a Roman officer known as a ‘centurion’ begs him to heal his servant. Jesus offers to go to his house, but the centurion says that he is unworthy, and that Jesus only has to give the order and the young man will be healed. The same story is found in Luke 7:1-10, but with a few differences. Most strikingly, Jesus and the centurion never meet; instead, Jewish leaders act as intermediaries, taking this opportunity to stress the centurion’s piety and his favours to the Jewish community—even claiming that he “built us our synagogue” (Luke 7:5). In both gospels, the centurion is a paradigm of faith, reminiscent of pious Gentiles in the Old Testament (for example, Naaman the Syrian in 2Kgs 5), and points forward to the later expansion of the Church to non-Jews.
Most scholars think that the story comes from a source used by both Matthew and Luke, but unknown to Mark (a source that modern scholars call “Q”). This source tends to be largely made up of Jesus’ sayings, and it’s quite likely that both Matthew and Luke have fleshed out the Q story in their own ways and to serve their own purposes. (Some think the same story underlies John 4:46-54.)
So who was this centurion? He’s described as a hekatontarchos, the Greek equivalent to the Latin centurio. He cannot have been part of the Roman army, however, since there were no Roman forces in Galilee at the time; instead, he probably belonged to the royal troops of Herod Antipas. Rulers appointed by Rome (as was the case with Antipas) were expected to maintain an army and to provide Rome with military support when necessary. Antipas’s troops engaged in an unauthorized and disastrous war with Aretas IV of Nabataea in 36 C.E., but little else is known about them. Jews were exempted from conscription, and Antipas probably used mainly non-Jewish soldiers as his father Herod I had done. (The Jewish historian Josephus gives a description of Herod’s army in Antiquities 17.198.) The use of Roman titles suggests that Antipas organized his troops in the Roman way.
A centurion was in charge of eighty men (not 100, as the name would lead us to expect). In many ways, centurions were the real professionals of the army. Most owed their position not to family connections but to their military prowess. Centurions enjoyed a certain status and reasonably good pay. Besides a level of command on the battlefield, they engaged in a wide range of other activities: general policing (see Acts 27:1-3, Acts 27:43), customs work, and the supervision of capital penalties (Mark 15:39). The troops of Antipas seem to have been garrisoned within towns. Although centurions are presented positively in the New Testament, contemporary scholarship makes it clear that most were disliked by ordinary folk, who regarded them as cruel, violent, and self-serving.
We do not know the centurion’s nationality. He was clearly not Jewish, either by birth or conversion. Luke’s account suggests that he had some sympathies for the Jewish faith. The note that he “built our synagogue” (if true) may suggest he acted as a benefactor to the Jewish community in Capernaum. Given Matthew’s silence on the issue, however, it may be that Luke has presented the centurion in a pious light to prepare the way for other so-called ‘God-fearers’ in Acts (that is, those who are sympathetic to Jewish beliefs). On a historical level, all we can say is that the centurion belonged to the army of Herod Antipas, was based in Capernaum, and that he may have persuaded Jesus to heal his servant.

written by--->Helen K. Bond
Senior Lecturer, University of Edinburgh

 

[Spurgeoncy]

I am assuming that the message is in the underlining

He is not Jewish, correct. But I never said he was, I said he was an Israelite.

 

[kaylagrl]

I am assuming that the message is in the underlining

He is not Jewish, correct. But I never said he was, I said he was an Israelite.

Still no apology for calling another member nasty names? smh.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Abrahamic Covenant states.

"You shall be the ancestor of a multitude of nations."

When the Israelite tribes were scattered, the Bible doesn't really say too much about their whereabouts.

But they had spread far and wide for sure.

Jesus knew who his sheep were.

You do realize Abraham had many children, and thus out of him gre many nations do you not?

Israel being scattered is not the reason he was many nations.. Israel is but ONE of those nations.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am assuming that the message is in the underlining

He is not Jewish, correct. But I never said he was, I said he was an Israelite.

Same difference. Israelite's were called Jews in Jesus day. because they lived in what was known as JUDAH.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

EG, you really are clueless.

If you don't understand either be quiet or ask a question.

 

[Desertsrose]

I am assuming that the message is in the underlining

He is not Jewish, correct. But I never said he was, I said he was an Israelite.

He was a Roman who was stationed in Israel. Our American soldiers stationed throughout the world are still Americans.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Ok, I see a lot of you guys do not understand who Israel was, so i'll do a thread for you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG, you really are clueless.

If you don't understand either be quiet or ask a question.

you are really proud (I will be nice), and now hopefully on report..

What is it I do not understand?

That Isreal and Judah are the same (in Jesus day?)

I understand, I fear you do not understand who Israel is.. Maybe you need to ask who they are..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok, I see a lot of you guys do not understand who Israel was, so i'll do a thread for you.

There are many threads, It would do you well to study them, so you can know who Israel is. before you try to teach someone else.

 

[kaylagrl]

There are many threads, It would do you well to study them, so you can know who Israel is. before you try to teach someone else.

Thats what I said,the last thing we need is another false thread about Israel and the Jews. Im not sure why this has been allowed to go on.I know the mods are busy and perhaps they've missed some of the nonsense that has been going on in these threads.

 

[tourist]

Yes, but He's a Christian, too.

I don't believe that Jesus should be considered a Christian. He is the Word of God. To be a Christian is to be Christ-like. Truthfully, I haven't met too many of these although there are a few on this site. Jesus has all of the attributes that are necessary to live a Christian life that should be emulated by those that hear His call and chose to follow him.