do Jews go to heaven

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RobbyEarl

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Dan58

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Jesus said; "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6), Judaism doesn't accept Christ, so no, practicing Jews don't go to heaven.. But of course, any Jew who converts can go to heaven, most of the first Christians were Jewish.
 

wattie

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and what Lord are the Jews worshiping now? where in the new covenant does it say the Lord changes? and where does Jesus teach this?
In the Old Testament.. the Israelites were worshipping God. They were faithful and then unfaithful.. over and over etc..

The God they were worshipping is the one Triune God.. so they were also worshipping the Holy Spirit and Jesus as one with the Father in the one being God.

Now.. the system of sacrifices in the OT and the levitical law etc.. this system failed. It did not work to please God. People were becoming self righteous thru thinking their good deeds were getting them to heaven, when in fact it was by faith that people were saved then as it is now.

Jesus then comes in the New Covenant.. and abolishes the OT Law of sacrifices etc.. establishes the system of service in churches and not the synagogue.. Gentiles and Jews both can be given eternal life.

Some Jews recognise Him as God..as the Messiah..and effectively become Christians. Others mock Him and don't believe. Jesus is most angry with them.

Jesus is God.. and these Jews are not believing in Him.. therefore they are not worshipping the Christian God.
 
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jaybird88

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In the Old Testament.. the Israelites were worshipping God. They were faithful and then unfaithful.. over and over etc..

The God they were worshipping is the one Triune God.. so they were also worshipping the Holy Spirit and Jesus as one with the Father in the one being God.

Now.. the system of sacrifices in the OT and the levitical law etc.. this system failed. It did not work to please God. People were becoming self righteous thru thinking their good deeds were getting them to heaven, when in fact it was by faith that people were saved then as it is now.

Jesus then comes in the New Covenant.. and abolishes the OT Law of sacrifices etc.. establishes the system of service in churches and not the synagogue.. Gentiles and Jews both can be given eternal life.

Some Jews recognise Him as God..as the Messiah..and effectively become Christians. Others mock Him and don't believe. Jesus is most angry with them.

Jesus is God.. and these Jews are not believing in Him.. therefore they are not worshipping the Christian God.
faithful and unfaithful, thats me. i make mistakes every day. i have yet to become perfect.

they worshiped the Lord the Father, the same one Jesus prayed to.

Jesus says He did not come to abolish the Law.

Jews believe in what the bible teaches. plain in simple.

i always thought it interesting that Jesus and the 12 were always considered Jewish by the nations and the Jews. not until the church was hijacked by rome would there be a separation of the 2 faiths.
 
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Persuaded

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Yes,they did go to heaven. As I explained,in the OT the priest sacrificed a lamb,or perfect animal, the blood of the animal made a sacrifice for sin. So blood covered the sins of the people. In the NT Jesus' blood covers our sins. That is why we have no need of a priest,as the Catholics have. Jesus is our high priest.
The only people who went to heaven in the OT, and that includes the Jews, were those who believed the promise of God, as Abraham believed.
God's promise was that He would send a Messiah, a Savior, Jesus, that would pay their sin debt by shedding His blood on the cross.
The Law and the sacrificing of animals was pointing toward Jesus.
The sacrificing of animals did not save. Believing in the promise of a coming Savior is what brought salvation.
Salvation has always been in the Christ/Messiah/Jesus.
The promise of His coming and the fact of His coming.
 

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The right answer in the next verses, KJV.Romans11;26-28,26.And so all Israel shall be saved; as it is written,There shall and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.27.For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.28.As concerning the Gospel, they are enemies for you sakes; but as touching the election, they are beloved for the Father's sakes.
 
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kaylagrl

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The only people who went to heaven in the OT, and that includes the Jews, were those who believed the promise of God, as Abraham believed.
God's promise was that He would send a Messiah, a Savior, Jesus, that would pay their sin debt by shedding His blood on the cross.
The Law and the sacrificing of animals was pointing toward Jesus.
The sacrificing of animals did not save. Believing in the promise of a coming Savior is what brought salvation.
Salvation has always been in the Christ/Messiah/Jesus.
The promise of His coming and the fact of His coming.

No the animals didn't save,I didn't say they did. I said a shedding of blood was needed to cover sins in the OT. It is true in the NT also,Jesus blood covers our sins. The NT in Romans says that a remnant of Jews will be saved,they will recognize their Messiah and will be saved.
 

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Why did they fell? Through their fall salvation is come unto Gentiles, to provoke them to jelousy,Lets take a read the next few verses about it, KJV.Romans11;11-12,11.I say then,Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid; but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.12.Now if the fall of them be the riches of the World,and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
 

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Of course,They need Good News about Lords Salvation as another Worlds nations.It's no exceptions for anybody on this way.Take a look to another verse on this way,KJV.Luke24;47,And that repentance and remission of sin should be preached in His name among all nations,beginning at Jerusalem.
 
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JesusIsAll

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As others point out, the New Testament covenant implies very real responsibility. A good word search are NT verses with Jew and Greek, Jew and Gentile in them. It will give you a composite of verses which show all are under sin and the gospel is the remedy for all, Jews no exception. Verses such as,

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.


Anybody who rejects the salvation of the Lord Jesus has a problem. Of course, Hebrews 11 teaches on the faith of Old Testament saints saving them.
 

notuptome

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Souls are saved and go to heaven only by the grace of God. OT Jews were to believe the Messiah would come and by faith they were saved. NT Jews are saved by believing Messiah came. We as in all men are saved by grace and not works.

For the cause of Christ
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Persuaded

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No the animals didn't save,I didn't say they did. I said a shedding of blood was needed to cover sins in the OT. It is true in the NT also,Jesus blood covers our sins. The NT in Romans says that a remnant of Jews will be saved,they will recognize their Messiah and will be saved.
The remnant of Jews spoken of in Romans are those who will be alive in the wilderness, who God has protected from the anti-christ for 1260 days, who will accept Him when they see Him at His second coming.
Only those who accept Jesus as the Christ today will be saved today.
 
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jaybird88

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No, only Christians do. No matter what the nationality is.
you seriously think Abraham, Moses and Jesus are in hell because there were not Christians?
 
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jaybird88

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am I the only one that asks "why" orthodox Jews dont convert to Christianity? from what i have read, it has noting to do with anything Jesus taught.
 
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I am not much practicing and knowledgeable. Just wanted to know that do jews get to go to heaven?
Jews will not go to Heaven unless they convert to the true faith of Jesus Christ (the Catholic faith) and die in a state of grace.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
 
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thepsalmist

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Jews will not go to Heaven unless they convert to the true faith of Jesus Christ (the Catholic faith) and die in a state of grace.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
Ohhhh dear ... where does one start with that ???
 
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thepsalmist

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I guess the major point that must be made here is that Jesus is Christ ... the Catholic Church is NOT Christ. Though they seem to want to take His place ...
The Catholic church did not die on the cross for us - Christ did.