Do Muslims worship the God of Abraham?

[JaumeJ]

It is quite obvious the Hebreews simply called children by the given name. They were referred to as Ben Abraham or Ben Judah or whatever the father's name was. Ben be child or before a name child of.

What was Abraham's "urname?" What was Sarah's or even Mary's? You seem to know so let us all know.

The traditions of man are just that, of man, and those will dissolve in the fire to come next time.

I really cannot believe anyone who claims to be a believer could or would say the above concerning the question posed in the OP......wow!

 

[JaumeJ]

Sorry, back to the OP.

I have read and I believe the Word, many times. In some translations of the Word Ishmael is said to be the fathwer of Twelve Princes.

Ishmael and his descendants are foretold as to be a bit unruly.......this by God.

Ishmael is also foretold as to be the father of many.......

This bother of our Fathwer to assure we know some about Ishmael, Hagar, and their descendants does not tell me they believe Yahweh, God, but it does tell me the Father has them in mind.

Cannot believe? I understand what you are saying.

It is quite obvious the Hebreews simply called children by the given name. They were referred to as Ben Abraham or Ben Judah or whatever the father's name was. Ben be child or before a name child of.

What was Abraham's "urname?" What was Sarah's or even Mary's? You seem to know so let us all know.

The traditions of man are just that, of man, and those will dissolve in the fire to come next time.

 

[loveme1]

Erm... absolutely not...



John 14


5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.



My Bible records much insight and without any research I could identify the would be Muslims.. as I’m sure many have also.

 

[JaumeJ]

Our Father has said He would justify the ungodly. Perhaps this is in reference only to those in Jesus christ, Yeshua, and perhaps it is in reference to many circumstaces of individuals: only our Father knows for certain.

Through Paul He teaches us that many pagans, people not Israel yet, behave and obey the law with their own consciences accusing or excusing them as they act..

Because I believe I love close wo what God wants us all to love, I do not want anyone to burn eternally, though I know it will happen for some. Am I better than my Father? Ithink not, but I do not condemn anyone in this age by teaching or by finger pointing to condemnation for this honor is to b conferred upon the saints when Yeshua, Jesus returns.

So I judge not lest the judgment I pronounce be inescapable for myself. Also, with time I have learned that I do not want to judge others in such a manner though I do judge "for myself" what is right according to the commandment from Jesus.

i FAND BELIEFS OF THE WORLD OUTSIDE OF THEfaith in Yeshua, horrendous and odious, yet I have the understanding not to judge individuals, be they Moslems, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, or any named denomination because I do not just believe, I know there are people in all walks who love God, though many may not yet know His name.

We are also warned to never judge by appearances but with right judgment, therefore always remember never to judge unto condemnation, not matter what has an individudal imprisoned while they are in this place away from thetrue home of all who are in Christ.........do not judge anyone who seems not to be as condemned for, once more, this honor and wisdom has not been handed over to the saints as yet.

There are many who say they are family in Yeshua, Jesus, who do not conduct themselves as such, hyet we do not condemn, though we do avoid until we understand thoroughly.

Anyone who finds it necessary to defend God be they Christian, Moslem, Jew or otherwise does not have God the All Mighty as their forher as yet.

Let us pray for llsouls for it is Yahweh's will that not oneshould perish............Ony He knows who they truly are not I, not you.

 

[loveme1]

Our Father has said He would justify the ungodly. Perhaps this is in reference only to those in Jesus christ, Yeshua, and perhaps it is in reference to many circumstaces of individuals: only our Father knows for certain.

Through Paul He teaches us that many pagans, people not Israel yet, behave and obey the law with their own consciences accusing or excusing them as they act..

Because I believe I love close wo what God wants us all to love, I do not want anyone to burn eternally, though I know it will happen for some. Am I better than my Father? Ithink not, but I do not condemn anyone in this age by teaching or by finger pointing to condemnation for this honor is to b conferred upon the saints when Yeshua, Jesus returns.

So I judge not lest the judgment I pronounce be inescapable for myself. Also, with time I have learned that I do not want to judge others in such a manner though I do judge "for myself" what is right according to the commandment from Jesus.

i FAND BELIEFS OF THE WORLD OUTSIDE OF THEfaith in Yeshua, horrendous and odious, yet I have the understanding not to judge individuals, be they Moslems, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, or any named denomination because I do not just believe, I know there are people in all walks who love God, though many may not yet know His name.

We are also warned to never judge by appearances but with right judgment, therefore always remember never to judge unto condemnation, not matter what has an individudal imprisoned while they are in this place away from thetrue home of all who are in Christ.........do not judge anyone who seems not to be as condemned for, once more, this honor and wisdom has not been handed over to the saints as yet.

There are many who say they are family in Yeshua, Jesus, who do not conduct themselves as such, hyet we do not condemn, though we do avoid until we understand thoroughly.

Anyone who finds it necessary to defend God be they Christian, Moslem, Jew or otherwise does not have God the All Mighty as their forher as yet.

Let us pray for llsouls for it is Yahweh's will that not oneshould perish............Ony He knows who they truly are not I, not you.

Indeed.. I don’t hate those who practice other Religions.. for it is true that GOD is a respecter of no persons. We all are condemned and we all can be Saved by our Gracious GOD through Faith in His Perfect Son. Jew, Hindu or a Muslim.

What we must not do is to create and support the all paths lead to... There is only one way and any attempt to blurr the straight and narrow must be refused and the Lord’s Testament upheld forever.

 

[JaumeJ]

What I have posted is simple. Our Father is All Mighty and All Wise for only He is the source of might and wisdom.

His ways are not our ways, and His wisdom is unattainable by theminds of men.

He does what pleases Him, and always, what pleases Him is good.

If He chooses for some to appear disobecient for His purposes, I cannot second-guess Him.

All religions do not lead to Him. No relicgion does, that is to say no named denomination under any umbrella of faith such as Moslem, Christian, Judaism etc............only the faith of Abraham is taught by our Savior.

I do not know if some Moslems and the rest do not have that faith unbeknowndst to him while it is known
3by our Father only.

I do not judge the faith of others, nor the wisdom and love of our Father.

Though Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is the only way to Him, I cannot say that others who are not aware of their faith due to our Father's will, are not also in love with Love without knowing His name.

I do not look for unbelief in people no matter what they believe they are. I await the wisdom of our Father on His Day, that is the Day of our Lord, amen.

 

[Ariel82]

Well I would ask the question

Did the people of Athens worship the God of Abraham?


Paul shows them that they DID worship God. They called Him the "Unknown God".

In the same way some people DO worship God and don't know or understand Him or His gospel plan of salvation through Jesus.

If I was to evangelize to a Muslim, I would talk about how the God They worship is. Like and unlike the God found in the Bible. Then show how Jesus coming to Earth, death and resurrection changed this world. I would show them how the New Covenant is so much better than the Old and whatever beliefs they have of God.....how Jesus either affirmed or refute those beliefs.

How God calls you to speak and interact with others...I can't answer for.

I know God calls me to listen and be loving and see where they are and show them where God wants them to be through prayer and scripture.

 

[JaumeJ]

It would seem if one were to "evangelize" he would repeat the Gospel.

Perhaps we should began our evangelizing with those who are thinking

their denominational doctrines and dogmas are saving them in lieu of the Gospel.

It is the Gospel that has the words of Life, for they are life. It is not rational nor is it irrational therefore
it does not good to attemp some form of illustrating irrationality of faiths and rationality of others unless
it is by means of the Gospel of our Lord, Jesus, Yeshua.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

It is quite obvious the Hebreews simply called children by the given name. They were referred to as Ben Abraham or Ben Judah or whatever the father's name was. Ben be child or before a name child of.

What was Abraham's "urname?" What was Sarah's or even Mary's? You seem to know so let us all know.

The traditions of man are just that, of man, and those will dissolve in the fire to come next time.

From reading the Bible we would understand and say without any doubt that the Muslims are not whorshipping YHWH Elohim. Why?

God said to Abraham, take your son, your only son..... this was after the birth of Ishmael. God preferred Isaac and not Ishmael.

 

[garee]

It is a faith issue, the place where the rubber meets the road.

The key is on how we understand by faith the use of the word “father” as a law of the father, or fathers (oral traditions of men.

There are two ways in which the word father is used.

One to bring glory to our unseen father when used correctly... mixing faith in its usage, while the other where men use the word father to blaspheme the name of our unseen father by havening it, the authority of our father in heaven not seen, in respect to men seen.

Both the apostate Jew and the Muslims fail at that point found in Mathew 23. And it ends up flesh against the flesh as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood and not unseen spirutl matters..

The later Christ called a brood of vipers as false prophets. One walks by faith the unseen the other after the natural course of this world after what the eyes see.(no faith)

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is yourFather, which is in heaven.

 

[JaumeJ]

I do not believe for a momet the Koran teches anyting related to Yahweh's will, but I do know I do not know the mind nor the entire will of our Father. I do pray daily His will be done.

My point is not to judge, not even Moslems. I do not believe in any denominational teachings be they Christian, Jewish or Moslem........I believe the Faith of Abraham as taught by Jesus, Yeshua.


At the same time I alwatys keep foremost in my mind that God has declared He will justify the ungoldly if it is His will. There is much more of the word toconsicder. No, Islam is not theWay, but it is quite possible there are people who are trapped within it who seek Jesus, though they do not yet know Who He is.

I could just s well sayMethodists, No! Catholics, NO! Baptists, NO!

Yet there are believers notyet called out of the the Great Whore and her daughters..........

Love all mankind. This does not translatwe as participating in their wrong-doign......pray for all souls.

From reading the Bible we would understand and say without any doubt that the Muslims are not whorshipping YHWH Elohim. Why?

God said to Abraham, take your son, your only son..... this was after the birth of Ishmael. God preferred Isaac and not Ishmael.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

5 times a day, devout Muslims throughout the world are called to face Mecca and bow with faces to the ground.

Salat, ritual Islamic prayer, prescribed five times daily:

• Fajr – the dawn prayer.
• Dhuhr – the noon prayer.
• Asr – the afternoon prayer.
• Maghrib – the sunset prayer.
• Isha'a – the night prayer.

This is what they bow to. It's an ancient form of fertility goddess worship. The casing holds the meteorite fragments (which fell from the sky) and in pre-Islamic Arabia they were the centre of the idol worship in the Kaaba.

Tradition holds that the black stone was once white but has turned black from absorbing the sins of Muslims as they touch it.
Mohammed touched, kissed and fondled the stone (goddess) during his lifetime. It is one of the "Five Pillars of Islam" to make the Hajj (pilgrimage) to Mecca at least once in your life if you are Muslim.

 

[Ariel82]

God is rational. He created the Laws of nature that the world is govern by both seen and unseen universe.

The Gospel is foolishness to the Greeks and the Jews seek a sign, but it is salvation to those being saved. The world does NOT SEE GOD's signs and His plan. Just because folks don't see or understand, doesn't mean it's illogical or irrational.

All of creation proclaims God's majesty if people just have the ears to listen.

 

[Ariel82]

◄ Daniel 6:10 ►
New International Version
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

*****

The habit of praying daily is not wrong...the question is WHO do you pray to daily?

Most of the Muslims I have spoken with are women. They have never read the Quran and believe they pray to God on High. I don't agree with their views on Jesus, but I treat them with the same respect that I would a Jew who doesn't accept Jesus as Messiah for I believe that if they pray to the God of Abraham, HE HEARS THEM.

If you want to point out the corruption of their leaders, folks can do the same to people claiming to be Christian.

Blanket statements help no one. We must treat each human being with respect and help them see the truth of the Gospel and that salvation is found in Jesus alone.

Why should people listen to us. If we never take the time to listen to them?

 

[garee]

Continued from last post.

The law of the fathers

They took the law of God written with the finger of God and expanded it in the opinion of the later Jews as new revelations that were orally delivered by Moses and orally transmitted in unbroken succession to subsequent generations of fathers , which precepts, both illustrating and expanding the written law, as they did were to be obeyed with equal reverence.

Because natural man must believe the kingdom does come by observation. The perceived competition must be destroyed as in "out of sight out of mind". They had become the murdering band influenced by the father of lies the murder from the beginning.

We can see Saul before his conversional eliminating the falsely perceived competition. In three difernt occasions he emphasizes the importance of walking after the unseen faith principle.

And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. Act 8:1

On another occasion..

And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,And desired of him letters (high Priest approval )to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them boundunto Jerusalem.And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: Act 9:1

Saul having all the right credentials according to what they called "the perfect manner" which in reality was the perfect killing machine) of the law of the fathers, a false zeal for knowing God.. again not mixing faith in what he saw or heard but did apply the manner of walking by sight ."Kill the perceived completion" in a hope of killing the message (all things written in the law and the prophets .).

Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you. (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of "the law of the fathers", and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. Act 22:1

Again what they called the = perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day ..turned out to be the perfect murdering machine with a false zeal coming from the god of this world..

Later they included Paul on their most wanted list who had become the member of another sect called him a mover of sedition

Act 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:

Again it’s the goal of those who walk by sight to destroy the source of faith (the unseen) to those who do believe God. They would simply be shooting their own foot. It exposed the law of the fathers for what it truly is. not the oral tradition of men.

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy,(an opinion) so worship I the God of my fathers, believing "all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Act 24:13.....(sola scriptura God's law not of men)

The difference seems clear Paul after his conversion walked by the exclusive faith that came from hearing God (sola scriptura) in respect to our Father in heaven not seen. They were worshipping the fathers as if it was our father in heaven not seen.

One worshipped the fathers as God (blasphemy) the other the God not seen of the fathers, seen.

 

[JaumeJ]

If by "rational " you are saying like man can be rational, I am afraid you are a little bit off here. Our Maker is orderly, and He has given us order to practice.

My reference to rational and irrational earlier is directed at faith. All who believe find faith the only rational way, while unbelievers find it irrational, even foolheartyu.
To say God is simply rational according to its definition is saying man can understaqnd the mind of our Father.

P=erhaps come the Kingdom this will be. UIntil then we have faith He is the Way the Truth and the Life...... irrational to the unbeliever, and the only rationale for those who have the gift of fiath.

God is rational. He created the Laws of nature that the world is govern by both seen and unseen universe.

The Gospel is foolishness to the Greeks and the Jews seek a sign, but it is salvation to those being saved. The world does NOT SEE GOD's signs and His plan. Just because folks don't see or understand, doesn't mean it's illogical or irrational.

All of creation proclaims God's majesty if people just have the ears to listen.

 

[Ariel82]

If by "rational " you are saying like man can be rational, I am afraid you are a little bit off here. Our Maker is orderly, and He has given us order to practice.

My reference to rational and irrational earlier is directed at faith. All who believe find faith the only rational way, while unbelievers find it irrational, even foolheartyu.
To say God is simply rational according to its definition is saying man can understaqnd the mind of our Father.

P=erhaps come the Kingdom this will be. UIntil then we have faith He is the Way the Truth and the Life...... irrational to the unbeliever, and the only rationale for those who have the gift of fiath.

I think we agree in concept even if we do choose different words to express our ideas.

To the faithful God is rational and logical...not because we understand His mind totally but because what He has revealed to us makes sense. We can see the bigger picture for events and how Jesus death on the cross was a victory and not bitter defeat as some people believe (even Jesus apostles were dejected)...until He rose from the grave.

Jesus story doesn't end at the cross, a new age is begin at His resurrection and the dead that rose with him afterwards to walk and talk to people in Jerusalem.

Islam claims that Jesus never died, but do not deny that He was taken up into Heaven and will return to,judge the world at the end of days. (trying to lead back to the thread OP)

Hope y'all have a blessed day.

I might take a break from CC for a bit, but know I will keep you all in my prayers that God's work and word continues to be discussed with love among the brethren. God bless and keep you.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Islam claims that Jesus never died, but do not deny that He was taken up into Heaven and will return to,judge the world at the end of days. (trying to lead back to the thread OP)

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You are not to believe the devil's version of events.

You can keep on philosophising all you want to but you are avoiding the facts. The Jesus presented in the Koran is not the real Jesus. The Bible defines Jesus, any other Jesus is a liar and a deceiver. The Koran denies the deity of Christ and denies The Father. It is a book wholly opposed to The Lord God of The Bible. The Koranic Jesus is called Isa. (Isa is the Arabised form of Esau not Yeshua). The Koranic version of "Jesus" is coming back at the end of the world to deny that he ever died and to convert the world to Islam. That is not our Lord.



To be Muslim you MUST recite the 'Shahdah' "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger You cannot be Muslim without taking this vow.

It isn't a simple spiritual philosophy. It is a religion and law system set up to control EVERY aspect of life.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Basic

The Five Pillars of Islam are the five obligations that every Muslim must satisfy in order to live a good and responsible life according to Islam.


The Five Pillars consist of:


Shahadah: sincerely reciting the Muslim profession of faith

"There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger"



Salat: performing ritual prayers in the proper way five times each day
(facing Mecca with forehead to the ground)


Zakat: paying an alms (or charity) tax. (This funds Islamic terrorism)


Sawm: fasting during the month of Ramadan


Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca (to circumambulate the black stone)

 

[kaylagrl]

People who think Muslims {Islam} and the Christian God are one and the same do not know their Bible or history,for that matter.They are not the same at all.