Do NOT Address NOR Speak TO the Holy Spirit

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The Spirit and the Bride Say come where to be with them all, the Holy Spirit gives us access to Jesus and the Father so if i approach Him i am opening myself to anger and resentment from Jesus and the Father missing the mark sin? Your premises for me are fallacious to come to such conclusion.
The Holy Spirit does not give us access to Jesus and the Father, otherwise that would mean that the man Christ Jesus is not the only Mediator between God and man.

It is the Son that has access to us by the Spirit within us by knowing the mind of the Spirit while the Son searches our hearts.

It is the Son that is how we have access to the Father, plainly stated in this verse below.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Alot of believers attribute that verse as signifying that the Son of God is the only way for salvation, but if they bother to read that again, they will find with His help, that Son of God is also the only way to come to God the Father by.
 
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Fellowship means friendship showing friendship greeting is anintegral part kind helpful favorablydisposed help support listening and communicating
2 Cor. 13:14 the Greek 2842 means participation, Communion, fellowship, partnership, socialintercourse, communication.
Then read how we are friends with Jesus personally.

John 15:[SUP]14 [/SUP]Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Now heed the commandment of this invitation, because it entails more than how we are saved, but also how we can come to God period.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
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Are you sure about that?

The Greek word, parakletos, which means "one called along side to help," is translated in 1Jn 1:2 as "advocate."
In any translation of a text, it has to be defined by how it is used in the verse and lining up with the truths in the rest of the scripture.

The text "pneuma" has a variety of definitions and thus declares this truth about translation because the Holy Spirit is not a demon nor an abstract principle or a mental mindset or a spirit of a man or a ghost of a deceased man.

It is also important to point out that the advocate in 1 John 2:1-2 is the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, not the Holy Spirit.

"Advocate" is a legal term for anyone who helped someone in trouble with the law; i.e. counsellor.
That's what a mediator does as there is only one Mediator between God and man, specified as the man Christ Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The same Greek word, parakletos, is used in Jn 14:16, 26, 16:26, 16:7, and is better translated "counselor," than "comforter" as it is in the KJV.
No. It is not better translated that way simply for the reason that the Holy Spirit is not really counselling when He only speaks what He heears from the real Counselor.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Isaiah 9:[SUP]6 [/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

That is why our relationship with God the Father is through the Son: not by way of the Holy Spirit: but by way of the Son. He guides us through the Holy Spirit within us but our eyes should always be seeking the face of the Son, the Counsellor, in relating to God the Father by.
 
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Ya know.... as a "human" person... I tend to respond to those who interact with me, answer those who address or speak to me... those who don't well... there is not RELATIONSHIP. WHY would anyone think the HOLY SPIRIT... who is a PERSON of the trinity... should be any different????
Because the Holy Spirit is not speaking from Himself in speaking to you when He speaks what He hears. That means the words you are hearing are coming from the Good Shepherd Whom guides us through the Holy Spirit within us.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The Son is called the Bridegroom for a reason and that is how we are to be the chaste bride of Christ in relating to God the Father by way of the Bridegroom Whom is the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.... our first love.
 
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The Holy Spirit does not give us access to Jesus and the Father, otherwise that would mean that the man Christ Jesus is not the only Mediator between God and man.

It is the Son that has access to us by the Spirit within us by knowing the mind of the Spirit while the Son searches our hearts.

It is the Son that is how we have access to the Father, plainly stated in this verse below.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Alot of believers attribute that verse as signifying that the Son of God is the only way for salvation, but if they bother to read that again, they will find with His help, that Son of God is also the only way to come to God the Father by.
Eph. 2:18 access by the Holy Spirit to Jesus to the Father all unbroken access perfect union to all first the Holy Spirit with Jesus with the Father.
 
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Eph. 2:18 access by the Holy Spirit to Jesus to the Father all unbroken access perfect union to all first the Holy Spirit with Jesus with the Father.
Ephesians 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

That "For through him" is the Son of God by Whom we have received the promise of the Spirit wherein now we can call God Father.

Romans 8:[SUP]15 [/SUP]For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: [SUP]17 [/SUP]And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

The Son is still the only way we are to approach God the Father in getting to know Him personally by so as to avoid false spirits as well as false prophets that would seek to come inbetween us and the Son which is what the spirit of the antichrist will do whereas the real indwelling Holy Spirit would never do as He will keep pointing to the Son for us to come to God in continuing in relating to God by.
 
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Where is it written that the Holy Spirit is called the Counsellor?
Jn 14:16, 26, 16:26, 16:7.
In errant modern Bibles, but not in the King James Bible.
Are you sure about that?

The Greek word, parakletos, which means "one called along side to help," is translated in 1Jn 1:2 as "advocate."

"Advocate" is a legal term for anyone who helped someone in trouble with the law; i.e. counsellor.

The same Greek word, parakletos, is used in Jn 14:16, 26, 16:26, 16:7, and is better translated "counselor," than "comforter" as it is in the KJV.
In any translation of a text, it has to be defined by how it is used in the verse and lining up with the truths in the rest of the scripture.

The text "pneuma" has a variety of definitions and thus declares this truth about translation because the Holy Spirit is not a demon nor an abstract principle or a mental mindset or a spirit of a man or a ghost of a deceased man.

It is also important to point out that the advocate in 1 John 2:1-2 is the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, not the Holy Spirit.
And this relates how to the meaning of the word parakletos, as "one called along side to help," being better translated as "counsellor" in Jn 14:16, 26, 16:26, 16:17?

Kinda' like the sheep following the stranger's voice relates to Jn 10, here?
 
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And this relates how to the meaning of the word parakletos, as "one called along side to help," being better translated as "counsellor" in Jn 14:16, 26, 16:26, 16:17?
Meaning... saying that it is better translated is not better at all because the Holy Spirit does not speak of His own volition: whatever He hears that He speaks so that Jesus Christ maintains that title as being the Counsellor from Isaiah 9:6 if you had read the whole post to see that point of truth by His grace and by His help.

Jesus Christ is in us and He is our Helper through the Holy Spirit within us.

Hebrews 13:6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

Kinda' like the sheep following the stranger's voice relates to Jn 10, here?
No. The stranger's voice is what one gets for climbing up another way which many believers are getting when they seek to receive the "Holy Spirit" again after a sign of tongues that comes with no interpretation, thus a stranger's voice.
 
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Are you confused about the text?

No sheep followed a stranger's voice, they ran away from the stranger

"The sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. . .his sheep follow him because they know his voice. . .But they will never follow a stranger; in fact they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice. . .All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. " (Jn 10:3-8)
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. [SUP]3 [/SUP]To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Never is a strong word since God has been known to recover some from that snare of the devil of using tongues gained by climbing up another way as directly from the Spirit Himself to use that tongues that comes with no interpretation as a prayer language.

2 Timothy 2:[SUP]16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness....[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, [SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; [SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

I do acknowledge that the elect will follow His voice, but that does not mean that every believers that went astray are to be given up as if they were never the elect in the first place, but it does mean that because they are the elect, being of the first fold, God will recover them from the snare of the devil in time.

I don't think so. . .

The sheep do not listen to the thieves and robbers (v.8), they do not go astray.

The Pharisees and chief priests were only hirelings who didn't care for the sheep.
Their true shepherd was Jesus who gave his life for his sheep.
The Good Shepherd knows his sheep, and they know him. (v.14)
They do not listen to strangers.
I have to disagree here too. The hirelings are the ones scattering the sheep which would be highly indicative of doing so from the church where they hold their assembly. The Pharisees and the chief priests do not have that kind of access to the church to be hired as a hireling over the flock to not care about the flock when the wolf comes to scatter the sheep.

John 10:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
 
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John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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That He did say...and I totally agree, but, you see, sometimes I just talk to The Holy Spirit because God sent Him to me to be a comforter and to guide me, so when I talk or request assistance from Him I am conversing with The Holy Spirit and not The Father so you cannot say that I'm going to The Father through The Holy Spirit.
 
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That He did say...and I totally agree, but, you see, sometimes I just talk to The Holy Spirit because God sent Him to me to be a comforter and to guide me, so when I talk or request assistance from Him I am conversing with The Holy Spirit and not The Father so you cannot say that I'm going to The Father through The Holy Spirit.
Brother, if the Holy Spirit speaks what He hears, then Whom are you to be addressing yourself to? Answer: The Son of God because He is the Good Shepherd that is guiding you through the Holy Spirit within you.

Now if you are going to still go around the Son like that in speaking with God period, then you should that is a work of iniquity.

The Son of God is our first love. He is called the Bridegroom for a reason. Why talk to the Holy Spirit when He cannot speak of His own volition but speak only what He hears from the Good Shepherd?

So narrow the way back to the straight gate because when the Bridegroom comes, He will be telling wayward believers that He knew them not whence they are because they did not relate to God through only the Son for it is by the Son, we have access to the Father.

Otherwise, I think christianity ought to be changed to spirituanity because it seems this is not happening any more,... eve in forums...

1 Corinthians 2:[SUP]2 [/SUP]For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Seems like the spotlight today just refises to remain on the Son in relating to God period.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 
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The Greek word, parakletos, which means "one called along side to help," is translated in 1Jn 1:2 as "advocate."

"Advocate" is a legal term for anyone who helped someone in trouble with the law; i.e. counsellor.

The same Greek word, parakletos, is used in Jn 14:16, 26, 16:26, 16:7, and is better translated "counselor," than "comforter" as it is in the KJV.
In any translation of a text, it has to be defined by how it is used in the verse and lining up with the truths in the rest of the scripture.

The advocate in 1 John 2:1-2 is the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, not the Holy Spirit.
Yes, he is. . .and Jesus said he would send another advocate/counsellor (Jn 14:16), one like himself, continuing his ministry of strengthening (comforting), counselling (Ac 16:6,7) helping (Ro 8:26), supporting/enabling (Ac 2:4), advising (Ac 8:29), advocating (Ro 8:27),
for these are all meanings of parakletos.

Actually, there is no adequate English translation for parakletos.
So when Jesus promises another parakletos, like himself, we must see him as continuing Jesus' work.

Elin said:
The same Greek word, parakletos, is used in Jn 14:16, 26, 16:26, 16:7, and is better translated "counselor," than "comforter" as it is in the KJV.
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No. It is not better translated that way simply for the reason that the Holy Spirit is not really counselling when He only speaks what He heears from the real Counselor.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
That refers to guiding into all truth about Jesus.

It does not refer to advising and directing, as in Ac 8:29, 13:2, 16:6, 7, etc.

The Holy Spirit does more than just communicate the truth about Jesus.
 
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John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. [SUP]3 [/SUP]To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Jn 10 speaks for itself.
 
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The Importance of the Spirit’s Work

But is the work of the Holy Spirit really important? Important! Why, were it not for the work of the Holy Spirit there would be no gospel, no faith, no church, no Christianity in the world at all.

In the first place, without the Holy Spirit there would be no gospel and no New Testament.

When Christ left the world, he committed his cause to his disciples. He made them responsible for going and making disciples of all the nations. “Ye. . . shall bear witness,” he told them in the upper room (Jn 15:27 KJV). “You will be my witnesses. . . to the ends of the earth,” were his parting words to them on Olivet, before he ascended (Acts 1:8). Such was their appointed task. But what sort of witnesses were they likely to prove? They had never been good pupils; they had consistently failed to understand Christ and missed the point of his teaching throughout his earthly ministry; how could they be expected to do better now that he had gone? Was it not virtually certain that, with the best will in the world, they would soon get the truth of the gospel inextricably mixed up with a mass of well-meant misconceptions, and their witness would rapidly be reduced to a twisted, garbled, hopeless muddle?

The answer to this question is no—because Christ sent the Holy Spirit to them, to teach them all truth and so save them from all error, to remind them of what they had been taught already and to reveal to them the rest of what their Lord meant them to learn. “The Counselor ... will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (Jn 14:26). “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears” (that is, he would make known to them all that Christ would instruct him to tell them, just as Christ had made known to them all that the Father had instructed him to tell them: see Jn 12:49-50; 17:8, 14), “and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you” (Jn 16:12-14). In this way “he will testify about me” (to you, my disciples, to whom I send him); and (equipped and enabled by his testifying work) “you also must testify” (15:26-27).
The promise was that, taught by the Spirit, these original disciples should be enabled to speak as so many mouths of Christ so that, just as the Old Testament prophets had been able to introduce their sermons with the words, “Thus saith the LORD Jehovah,” so the New Testament apostles might with equal truth truth be able to say of their teaching, oral or written, “Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ.”

And the thing happened. The Spirit came to the disciples and testified to them of Christ and his salvation, according to the promise. Speaking of the glories of this salvation (“what God has prepared for those who love him”), Paul writes, “God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. . . We have. . . received. . . the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak [and, he might have added, write], not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit” (1 Cor 2:9-13). The Spirit testified to the apostles by revealing to them all truth and inspiring them to communicate it with all truthfulness. Hence the gospel, and hence the New Testament. But the world would have had neither without the Holy Spirit.

Nor is this all. In the second place, without the Holy Spirit there would be no faith and no new birth—in short, no Christians.

The light of the gospel shines; but “the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers” (2 Cor 4:4), and the blind do not respond to the stimulus of light. As Christ told Nicodemus, “No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again” (Jn 3:3; compare v. 5). Speaking corporately for himself and his disciples to Nicodemus and to the whole class of unregenerate religious people to which Nicodemus belonged, Christ went on to explain that the inevitable consequence of unregeneracy is unbelief—“You people do not accept our testimony” (Jn 3:11). The gospel produces no conviction in them; unbelief holds them fast.

What follows, then? Should we conclude that preaching the gospel is a waste of time and write off evangelism as a hopeless enterprise, foredoomed to fail? No, because the Spirit abides with the church to testify of Christ. To the apostles, he testified by resealing and inspiring, as we saw. To the rest of us, down the ages, he testifies by illuminating: opening blinded eyes, restoring spiritual vision, enabling sinners to see that the gospel is indeed God’s truth, and Scripture is indeed God’s Word, and Christ is indeed God’s Son. “When he [the Spirit] comes,” our Lord promised, “he will convince the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment” (Jn 16:8 RSV).

It is not for us to imagine that we can prove the truth of Christianity by our own arguments; nobody can prove the truth of Christianity except the Holy Spirit, by his own almighty work of renewing the blinded heart. It is the sovereign prerogative of Christ’s Spirit to convince men’s consciences of the truth of Christ’s gospel; and Christ’s human witnesses must learn to ground their hopes of success not on clever presentation of the truth by man, but on powerful demonstration of the truth by the Spirit.

Paul points the way here: “When I came to you, brethren, I did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God in lofty words or wisdom.... My speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God” (1 Cor 2:1-5 RSV). And because the Spirit does bear witness in this way, people come to faith when the gospel is preached. But without the Spirit there would not be a Christian in the world.

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The Importance of the Spirit’s Work

But is the work of the Holy Spirit really important? Important! Why, were it not for the work of the Holy Spirit there would be no gospel, no faith, no church, no Christianity in the world at all.

In the first place, without the Holy Spirit there would be no gospel and no New Testament.

When Christ left the world, he committed his cause to his disciples. He made them responsible for going and making disciples of all the nations. “Ye. . . shall bear witness,” he told them in the upper room (Jn 15:27 KJV). “You will be my witnesses. . . to the ends of the earth,” were his parting words to them on Olivet, before he ascended (Acts 1:8). Such was their appointed task. But what sort of witnesses were they likely to prove? They had never been good pupils; they had consistently failed to understand Christ and missed the point of his teaching throughout his earthly ministry; how could they be expected to do better now that he had gone? Was it not virtually certain that, with the best will in the world, they would soon get the truth of the gospel inextricably mixed up with a mass of well-meant misconceptions, and their witness would rapidly be reduced to a twisted, garbled, hopeless muddle?

The answer to this question is no—because Christ sent the Holy Spirit to them, to teach them all truth and so save them from all error, to remind them of what they had been taught already and to reveal to them the rest of what their Lord meant them to learn. “The Counselor ... will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (Jn 14:26). “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears” (that is, he would make known to them all that Christ would instruct him to tell them, just as Christ had made known to them all that the Father had instructed him to tell them: see Jn 12:49-50; 17:8, 14), “and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you” (Jn 16:12-14). In this way “he will testify about me” (to you, my disciples, to whom I send him); and (equipped and enabled by his testifying work) “you also must testify” (15:26-27).
The promise was that, taught by the Spirit, these original disciples should be enabled to speak as so many mouths of Christ so that, just as the Old Testament prophets had been able to introduce their sermons with the words, “Thus saith the LORD Jehovah,” so the New Testament apostles might with equal truth truth be able to say of their teaching, oral or written, “Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ.”

And the thing happened. The Spirit came to the disciples and testified to them of Christ and his salvation, according to the promise. Speaking of the glories of this salvation (“what God has prepared for those who love him”), Paul writes, “God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. . . We have. . . received. . . the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak [and, he might have added, write], not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit” (1 Cor 2:9-13). The Spirit testified to the apostles by revealing to them all truth and inspiring them to communicate it with all truthfulness. Hence the gospel, and hence the New Testament. But the world would have had neither without the Holy Spirit.

Nor is this all. In the second place, without the Holy Spirit there would be no faith and no new birth—in short, no Christians.

The light of the gospel shines; but “the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers” (2 Cor 4:4), and the blind do not respond to the stimulus of light. As Christ told Nicodemus, “No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again” (Jn 3:3; compare v. 5). Speaking corporately for himself and his disciples to Nicodemus and to the whole class of unregenerate religious people to which Nicodemus belonged, Christ went on to explain that the inevitable consequence of unregeneracy is unbelief—“You people do not accept our testimony” (Jn 3:11). The gospel produces no conviction in them; unbelief holds them fast.

What follows, then? Should we conclude that preaching the gospel is a waste of time and write off evangelism as a hopeless enterprise, foredoomed to fail? No, because the Spirit abides with the church to testify of Christ. To the apostles, he testified by resealing and inspiring, as we saw. To the rest of us, down the ages, he testifies by illuminating: opening blinded eyes, restoring spiritual vision, enabling sinners to see that the gospel is indeed God’s truth, and Scripture is indeed God’s Word, and Christ is indeed God’s Son. “When he [the Spirit] comes,” our Lord promised, “he will convince the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment” (Jn 16:8 RSV).

It is not for us to imagine that we can prove the truth of Christianity by our own arguments; nobody can prove the truth of Christianity except the Holy Spirit, by his own almighty work of renewing the blinded heart. It is the sovereign prerogative of Christ’s Spirit to convince men’s consciences of the truth of Christ’s gospel; and Christ’s human witnesses must learn to ground their hopes of success not on clever presentation of the truth by man, but on powerful demonstration of the truth by the Spirit.

Paul points the way here: “When I came to you, brethren, I did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God in lofty words or wisdom.... My speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God” (1 Cor 2:1-5 RSV). And because the Spirit does bear witness in this way, people come to faith when the gospel is preached. But without the Spirit there would not be a Christian in the world.

Packer, J: "Knowing God"
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I have to disagree here too. The hirelings are the ones scattering the sheep which would be highly indicative of doing so from the church where they hold their assembly. The Pharisees and the chief priests do not have that kind of access to the church to be hired as a hireling over the flock to not care about the flock when the wolf comes to scatter the sheep.

John 10:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Are you trying to say that praying to the Holy Spirit for extraordinary gifts can result in manifestations that are not from the Holy Spirit, but from the unholy spirit?

Yes, desiring extraordinary gifts for the wrong reasons (e.g.; self-glorification) can result in deception by unholy spirits.

But that is not the import of Jn 10.
 
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I cannot recommend that book highly enough.

If you are limited to one book outside the Bible, this would be it.
I have been reading and re-reading this book "Knowing God" for about 2 years. What a wonderful humbling read this book is.

Everyone has a book for us to read but this one I stand by.

Have you seen the "TRUTH PROJECT" videos.. The Truth Project Lessons - Bing Videos

You have to search through the videos to find the lessons verses the teasers. Any video with more than 30 seconds is a lesson.
 
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I have been reading and re-reading this book "Knowing God" for about 2 years. What a wonderful humbling read this book is.
I know what you mean.

I read it twice a year for six years.

Everyone has a book for us to read but this one I stand by.

Have you seen the "TRUTH PROJECT" videos.. The Truth Project Lessons - Bing Videos

You have to search through the videos to find the lessons verses the teasers. Any video with more than 30 seconds is a lesson.