Do the dead sleep or ascend or descend?

[JesusLives]

With a lot of these answers .............

So then if my spirit is immortal like God then why don't I remember anything before birth and life on this earth? Why would God even bother to say to Adam and Eve that they would die knowing that their sprit was immortal like Him? There are just so many questions that spring from this spirit/soul immortal idea.... That is why I asked if God lied saying we would die if we/Adam/Eve ate the fruit?

I am not trying to cause trouble or be a troll I really truly would like answers to these questions...

 

[Jeff_56]

With a lot of these answers .............

So then if my spirit is immortal like God then why don't I remember anything before birth and life on this earth? Why would God even bother to say to Adam and Eve that they would die knowing that their sprit was immortal like Him? There are just so many questions that spring from this spirit/soul immortal idea.... That is why I asked if God lied saying we would die if we/Adam/Eve ate the fruit?

I am not trying to cause trouble or be a troll I really truly would like answers to these questions...

immortal would mean cannot die. and that is false, btw.

no one was before creation except yahweh and yahshua with him, according to scripture.

whenever angels were created, they were created by yahweh through yahshua.

MarcR gave the best answer, the most accurate one in line with all scripture. no one else was as accurate.

 

[gotime]

Eze_18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

 

[prove-all]

"Out of the body in the spirit"
At rapture, the bodies of the dead rise incorruptible not the spirit which is already with Jesus.

so something corruptible can go to heaven?

I do not think so at all.

God can not even be here because of evil,

God is Holy, and nothing up there is evil with him.

 

[ChristInUs]

There is no such thing as soul sleep. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Father.

 

[prove-all]

There is no such thing as soul sleep. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Father.

For (the wages of sin is death);
not being forever tormented

but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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[prove-all]

maggots do not die, but change to a fly, that can and will die


Jesus knew this, he made them

 

[prove-all]

There is no such thing as soul sleep. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Father.

sleeping in the grave

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is,
when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth;
but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life,
and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee,
which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward;
for the memory of them is forgotten.

4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.

8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead
shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

37:13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people,
and brought you up out of your graves,

2:6 The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

12:17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave,
and raised him from the dead, bare record.

37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee:
they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

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[Radius]

This is actually very simple. To the person who dies, they will be with the Lord instantaneously.

1) Either they die and ascend straight away, or:

2) They die and "soul sleep" but even if they sleep, the next thing they know after they die is that they wake up to see the Lord--albeit maybe to the land of the living they were dead 50, 100, 1,000 years. To us time is passing, but to the dead who are asleep it "seems" instantaneous because they are aware of nothing (not even time) when they are sleeping.

Think of when you sleep at night, the next thing you know is that you wake up after falling asleep. But sometimes it may not feel instant because we have night disturbances and wake up and we are then conscious time is passing. But the dead would be lights out, no intermittent waking, dead as a door nail, dead. The very next thing they'd know (with years and years having passed) is that they are now with the Lord when they wake.

So either way it is instant (to the dead person).

Hope that makes sense.

 

[prove-all]

So my question is our soul/spirit immortal like God?

no we are not.

we can do nothing without him .

God has to call or raise use first,

then we will be just like him,

with faces that shine like the sun.

and given a rock with our name on it,

only we will know its meaning,, then you can move mountains.

 

[michael56]

sleeping in the grave

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is,
when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.


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He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]After being made alive,[SUP][d][/SUP] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— [SUP]20 [/SUP]to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. 1Peter3:18-20

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. 1Peter4:6

 

[prove-all]

2) They die and "soul sleep" but even if they sleep, the next thing they know after they die is that they wake up to see the Lord


the question then is, do we want to be a first fruit,

and be kings and priests with the Lord forever and kick butt.


or wait for the second harvest in future time, later after the fun is all over.



what time do everyone wants to wakeup to?


Do his way now, or do it later, one way every knee will bow

 

[JesusLives]

immortal would mean cannot die. and that is false, btw.

no one was before creation except yahweh and yahshua with him, according to scripture.

whenever angels were created, they were created by yahweh through yahshua.

MarcR gave the best answer, the most accurate one in line with all scripture. no one else was as accurate.

So then you are saying the spirit/soul is not immortal? Right and could not be alive in hell or heaven at death?

 

[JesusLives]

This is actually very simple. To the person who dies, they will be with the Lord instantaneously.

1) Either they die and ascend straight away, or:

2) They die and "soul sleep" but even if they sleep, the next thing they know after they die is that they wake up to see the Lord--albeit maybe to the land of the living they were dead 50, 100, 1,000 years. To us time is passing, but to the dead who are asleep it "seems" instantaneous because they are aware of nothing (not even time) when they are sleeping.

Think of when you sleep at night, the next thing you know is that you wake up after falling asleep. But sometimes it may not feel instant because we have night disturbances and wake up and we are then conscious time is passing. But the dead would be lights out, no intermittent waking, dead as a door nail, dead. The very next thing they'd know (with years and years having passed) is that they are now with the Lord when they wake.

So either way it is instant (to the dead person).

Hope that makes sense.

So to number 1 if I was a good enough Christian I go to heaven right away? and to number 2 I was not so good so I have to wait awhile before going to heaven and everybody goes to heaven?

 

[JesusLives]

no we are not.

we can do nothing without him .

God has to call or raise use first,

then we will be just like him,

with faces that shine like the sun.

and given a rock with our name on it,

only we will know its meaning,, then you can move mountains.

I thought with God right now I could move mountains at least He said if I had the faith of a mustard seed I could.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Take for instance Lazarus - He died and was in the grave four days. If he immediately went to heaven I bet he didn't want to come back when Jesus raised him from the dead!

John 11

Jesus: Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.
Disciples: Lord, if he sleeps he will get better. (Jesus had been speaking of his death but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep)
Jesus: Lazarus is dead.
Martha: lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.
Jesus: Your brother will rise again.
Martha: I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Jesus: I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this? [. . . the dead in Christ shall rise first . . .After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together 1 Thess. 4; We will not all sleep but we will all be changed . . . the dead will be raised imperishable and we will be changed . . . For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality 1 Cor. 15]

The soul is our breath life; it is what makes one a living creature - when we die, we are a dead soul - no more breath life. Our spirit goes back to God who gave it [Ecc. 12:7] . . . what exactly does that mean? I don't know . . . . I do know that when Jesus calls us; we will be resurrected - Lazarus, come out! The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face. Jesus said to them, Take off the grave clothes and let him go.

 

[jduck1986]

So my question is our soul/spirit immortal like God?

No only God possesses immortality inherently

 

[prove-all]

I thought with God right now I could move mountains at least He said if I had the faith of a mustard seed I could.

And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree,
Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

I have a very nice mountain behind my house,
but it is blocking my sun on my veggies right now.
can you move it over to the left it would help my garden, much thanks.

not just the faith of Jesus, but the same faith as Jesus has, we will have in the future once mature​

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[DiscipleDave]

So say a loved one dies do they go to be with Jesus or sleep until The rature[ And guys I know I said the R word but I am begging dont debate the Rapture]. Say a horrible murderer dies does he then go to hell or sleep until judgement day?

ONLY those who are in Christ at the time of death sleep until the Rapture. (please note, Rapture is not in the Bible, neither is abortion, millionaire, or pizza. i am only using the word Rapture to describe the event in the Bible when Jesus will come back to the Earth to get the Saints, its just a word) Hell is not created until the Great white Throne Judgment takes place first, it is at this judgement that determines who will be cast into Hell, and it is at this Judgement that it is made known to all those who will be cast into Hell, WHY they are being cast into Hell. This Judgement does NOT happen at the time of death of any particular person.
if you want to learn more about that particular topic, then read Where After Death

Responding to OP

 

[CRC]

GOD’S human sons were not meant to die. (Romans 8:20, 21) In fact, when God first spoke of death to Adam, it was mentioned, not as the outcome that man should normally expect, but as the punishment for disobedience to God. (Genesis 2:17) Adam understood what death meant, since he would have seen animals die.
Adam sinned, and he paid the price for it by dying at the age of 930 years. (Genesis 5:5; Romans 6:23) Having been expelled from God’s family for disobedience, he was no longer considered a son of God. (Deuteronomy 32:5) The Bible says this about the sad consequences for mankind: “Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men.”—Romans 5:12.
The Bible also says: “There is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20) What does returning to the dust mean?
The expression “returning to the dust” reminds us of God’s statement to the first human: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) This means that humans, like animals, are physical creatures. We are not spirits that merely inhabit a body of flesh. Our thinking faculties cannot survive the destruction of our body. Of a man who dies, the Bible says: “He breathes his last breath, he returns to the dust; and in that same hour all his thinking ends.”—Psalm 146:4, The New English Bible.
If that is what happens, in what condition does that leave the dead? God’s Word gives a clear answer: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) Rather than being like a friend welcoming us to a better life, death is called “the last enemy,” according to the Bible, for it halts all of our activity. (1 Corinthians 15:26; Ecclesiastes 9:10)