Do We Have To Keep The Law?

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graceNpeace

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What "name" did I call you????

If you are referring the term "blinkered" that is not name calling???
God is NOT God of the Jews and no one else - it has never been the case!
And most certainly, New covenant believers are not required to become Jews to call God, God!

Your post just showed that you are just like a horse with blinkers on - your view of the world is extremely limited...
 

JaumeJ

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Here you say God is not God of theJews only proves you have not read my postfor I was clear on what I know a true Jew to be, just as Paul teaches.

You have shown you do not know and your reply before hearing a question. You do know what is writtena bout someone who does this, do you not?


What "name" did I call you????

If you are referring the term "blinkered" that is not name calling???
God is NOT God of the Jews and no one else - it has never been the case!
And most certainly, New covenant believers are not required to become Jews to call God, God!

Your post just showed that you are just like a horse with blinkers on - your view of the world is extremely limited...
 

JaumeJ

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Merriam-Webster
[h=2]Definition of blinkered[/h][FONT=&quot]: limited in scope or understanding

Do you call this flattery? It seems you do not know the language you use.
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graceNpeace

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Merriam-Webster
Definition of blinkered

: limited in scope or understanding

Do you call this flattery? It seems you do not know the language you use.
Nobody said it was meant to be flattering...
My command of the English language is excellent, thank you.
 

graceNpeace

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Here you say God is not God of theJews only proves you have not read my postfor I was clear on what I know a true Jew to be, just as Paul teaches.

You have shown you do not know and your reply before hearing a question. You do know what is written about someone who does this, do you not?
Your words: "You do not understand that we are by translation, Jews, "

No New covenant believer is a Jew in any way.
When Romans chapter 8 explains our adoption as children of God, God does not don rose-tinted glasses in order to see us as Jews.
Instead He sees us as we are.

And when Paul later talks of how we are grafted into the tree in Romans chapter 11, if you understand anything about grafting (actual fruit trees that is), then you will know that the graft retains its native characteristics - it does not become like the trunk to which is grafted - that would merely defeat the purpose of grafting!
That is why Paul used it as an illustration!

I am profoundly grateful to Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross for me!
What He did was at the very least a partial fulfilment of the Abrahamic covenant.
The epistle to the Romans talks about Abraham being "the father of us all" 4:16. That is not a reference to being an Israelite nor being a Jew. Neither existed at the time of Abraham's existence. Being people of "the promise" never limited one to being a Jew! Not at the time of Abraham, not in the time that Jesus walked the earth, and not now!
I have no obligation to become a Jew, in ANY way, because Jesus Christ was a Jew...
I am adopted as a child of God as I am, not as a pseudo-Jew!
 

JaumeJ

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You really need to read what Paul has to say about what a true Jew is..........
 
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What does the New Testament say about it?

If we are under the Law, we are not led by the Spirit. (Galatians 5:18)

Christ is the end of the Law (Romans 10:4)

No one is justified by the works of the Law (Galatians 2:16)

It has been abolished (Ephesians 2:15)

The Law is not for the Righteous. (1 Timothy 1:8, Galatians 2:21, Romans 3:20)

We can't keep it (James 2:10)

Not even the Jews could (Galatians 6:13)

The Law and faith do not mix (Romans 3:27-28)

If we rely on observing the Law we place ourselves under a curse (Galatians 3:10-11)

The Law is a curse that Jesus redeemed us from (Galatians 3:13)

If we continue in the Law we are fools (Galatians 3:2-3)

We are to live by faith, which the Law is not based on (Galatians 3:11-12)

The Law is lifeless (Galatians 3:21)

The Law only makes us prisoners (Galatians 3:23-25)

We become alienated from Christ (Galatians 5:4)

The Law is weak and makes nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:18-19)

It can never take away sins (Hebrews 10:4)

Paul said he himself was not under the Law (1 Corinthians 9:20)

We have been released from the Law (Romans 7:6)

The Law has been canceled and nailed to the cross (Colossians 2:14)

We are dead to the Law (Romans 7:4)

It is obsolete, outdated, and will disappear (Hebrews 8:13)

We have been justified apart from the Law (Romans 3:21-22, 27-28)

We are under grace, not the Law (Romans 6:14)


Clear enough? :)
Excellent.
 

graceNpeace

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You really need to read what Paul has to say about what a true Jew is..........
I know and understand what Paul has to say about circumcision of the heart - and it does NOT translate to taking on any of the trappings of Judaism...
 

JaumeJ

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You are definitely livingin your ownlittle realm. I have never implied what you have twisted and perverted here.....read what I post before hanging things on me, it is the gracious and peaceful way.


I know and understand what Paul has to say about circumcision of the heart - and it does NOT translate to taking on any of the trappings of Judaism...
 

graceNpeace

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You are definitely livingin your ownlittle realm. I have never implied what you have twisted and perverted here.....read what I post before hanging things on me, it is the gracious and peaceful way.
Your reference is to Romans 2:29 is it not?
 

Studyman

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Okay, just to be clear, are you saying you believe that women never committed a single sin after Jesus told her to go and sin no more?

Just to be clear, I believe what God's Word says, not religious man.

4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:


28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:


I believe Jesus finished His Work in this woman and through her Faith helped her achieve that which Jesus instructed her to do. As He promised all who pick up their cross and follow Him.

1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


So to answer your question, I do believe she was "perfected" by her belief that she CAN do what God instructed her to do, even if you and "many" others would tell her she couldn't. I believe she joined in the long line of Saints described in His Word.

REv. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

So yes, she grew in the knowledge of God and with the Helper He promised those who Keep His Sayings, lived in obedience to the Word which became Flesh as He instructed her.

It is you who says honoring God with obedience is impossible, not Jesus.
 

gb9

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Just to be clear, I believe what God's Word says, not religious man.

4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:


28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:


I believe Jesus finished His Work in this woman and through her Faith helped her achieve that which Jesus instructed her to do. As He promised all who pick up their cross and follow Him.

1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


So to answer your question, I do believe she was "perfected" by her belief that she CAN do what God instructed her to do, even if you and "many" others would tell her she couldn't. I believe she joined in the long line of Saints described in His Word.

REv. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

So yes, she grew in the knowledge of God and with the Helper He promised those who Keep His Sayings, lived in obedience to the Word which became Flesh as He instructed her.

It is you who says honoring God with obedience is impossible, not Jesus.
how about this- many that Jesus healed , He told them not to tell anyone. many of them did. a direct disobedience . did Jesus revoke the healing?
 
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Ths is why ralph can never understand what anyone says or believes, he thinks it is a calvanist debate.

News flash, eternal life did not come from calvin, it came from the promise of God,
Perhaps you can take a few minutes and explain to budman how you believe that the person who does not live for God is not saved.
 
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Everyone here wants to obey the father, but they want to do it the rigt way (the law of love) not the impossible way (the law of moses)

you go ahead thinking you keep the law of moses. God will show you some day how far you fall short. I just pray its not in eternity when you finally see it.
You seem to be attaching a misguided connotation onto the phrase 'keep the law'.

Love is just the new way that we keep the law of God. Love is not a new law different from the law of Moses for the people of God to keep.
 

Budman

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Perhaps you can take a few minutes and explain to budman how you believe that the person who does not live for God is not saved.

Trying to divide and conquer, Ralph?

Tsk tsk, that's rather pathetic.

Tell me, what's the tipping point on the works? Ten a day? If I only do nine is that a sure sign I'm not saved?

Define "living" for God, Ralph. Tell us all exactly what is needed to convince you one is saved.
 

Budman

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So to answer your question, I do believe she was "perfected" by her belief that she CAN do what God instructed her to do, even if you and "many" others would tell her she couldn't.
Mmm-kaaay. So she never sinned again after that - got it. :rolleyes:

Tell me, do you still sin?
 

Jimbone

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And He did fulfill the Law's requirements. All of them. That's why we don't have to
Yeah but being reborn in Him empowers us to desire to keep His law, that's the point. As far as being justified by the law, yes that has been abolished no doubt, we are now justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, but being saved only helps us to do what we couldn't before and love, desire, and follow after God's law. Gods law is still the same, still good, and can't be removed, but as far as justifying us it is abolished. So are you boasting in not "having to" keep the law? I don't understand you point. If you are saying Gods law no longer "counts", then I couldn't disagree more, if you are just saying we can't be justified or "saved" by the law then I agree 100%. I love Gods law.
 

JaumeJ

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Hello B. Jesus fulfilled and finished almost all of the laws, but as long as we are able to sin, and we are and we do,
He is fulfiling them in us. Meanwhile we try to obey those remaing laws that make up love........

God bless you always.


And He did fulfill the Law's requirements. All of them. That's why we don't have to
 

Studyman

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how about this- many that Jesus healed , He told them not to tell anyone. many of them did. a direct disobedience . did Jesus revoke the healing?
Yes, there are a lot of people who want His healing, His Gift, His Blessings, but then reject Him after He gives it to them. Sad really. I guess you will have to ask Him why they called Him Lord, Lord, but refuse to do what He says. There is no indication that the Adulterous woman did this though.
 

gb9

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Yes, there are a lot of people who want His healing, His Gift, His Blessings, but then reject Him after He gives it to them. Sad really. I guess you will have to ask Him why they called Him Lord, Lord, but refuse to do what He says. There is no indication that the Adulterous woman did this though.
I agree. however, since the text does not give us any more about the woman, it is wise not to assume either way.