Do We Have To Keep The Law?
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Quick note: Scripture says forgive one another not if youve deemed they are sorry enough. To take this even further forgiveness might even come before a person even asks. “Forgive them as I have forgiven you” - Jesus. This indicates the focus of forgiveness is in response to Him not in response to them. As a posture of our heart towards one another.
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When God appeared to Moses, He instructed Moses to tell the Children of Israel "I Am" has sent me.
This is translated also as "I Am That I Am." Among other understanding this means God will manifest Himself in any manner that pleases Him. Anything pleasing our Father shoul please His children too, if for no other reason, by the gift of faith.
I know God is One, but I also know He has chosen to be a mystery for us in this age. I believe Jesus, Yeshua, is God. I believe the Holy Spirit is God, and finally I believe the Father is God, yet they are One. This isunderscored by the prophecy in Isaiah 9:6 where it is writtenthe Child born would be called by titles describing each of these manifestations of God.
For this cause and reason, I oft time will make reference to Father Jesus........No! I do not pretend to understand the mystery of it,but it pleases our Father to let it stand in this manner for now. I do know Jesus will never again be in the flesh as we know it.......by faith.
This is translated also as "I Am That I Am." Among other understanding this means God will manifest Himself in any manner that pleases Him. Anything pleasing our Father shoul please His children too, if for no other reason, by the gift of faith.
I know God is One, but I also know He has chosen to be a mystery for us in this age. I believe Jesus, Yeshua, is God. I believe the Holy Spirit is God, and finally I believe the Father is God, yet they are One. This isunderscored by the prophecy in Isaiah 9:6 where it is writtenthe Child born would be called by titles describing each of these manifestations of God.
For this cause and reason, I oft time will make reference to Father Jesus........No! I do not pretend to understand the mystery of it,but it pleases our Father to let it stand in this manner for now. I do know Jesus will never again be in the flesh as we know it.......by faith.
The LORD Is ONE,not two.
Just say by GOD.
Just say by GOD.
Are you lead by the Spirit to commit adultery? Don't answer that I have read the family post....
Is it ok to bear false witness, testify you saw someone commited a crime that they did not, or at least you did not see?
Is it lead by the Spirit to worship other gods, like your flesh, before G-d?
Should someone murder you and your family for a stupid post?
Maybe it is ok to lay stone on your back because they a silly idol like that can take away stress?
Are you rich, post your address so we can come steal from you? Better yet no Law just post your bank account number; the Law is dead....
Oh today is the Sabbath? No really knows what day that is, it's up for debate... G-d is only G-d He does not mean what He says... Christians rejected it anyway!!!!!
Mom and Dad sucked, gave us crappy lives... Only the Holy Spirit in the N.T. did not forget TORAH IS ALIVE AND HE REITERATED IT !!!!! Maybe there was a mistake....
Was G-d mistaken too, to be holy because He is holy? But what is a holy name everyone dams G-d now a days...
Is it alright now for me to want what you have? I mean were all privileged now and everyone should know it....
Is it ok to bear false witness, testify you saw someone commited a crime that they did not, or at least you did not see?
Is it lead by the Spirit to worship other gods, like your flesh, before G-d?
Should someone murder you and your family for a stupid post?
Maybe it is ok to lay stone on your back because they a silly idol like that can take away stress?
Are you rich, post your address so we can come steal from you? Better yet no Law just post your bank account number; the Law is dead....
Oh today is the Sabbath? No really knows what day that is, it's up for debate... G-d is only G-d He does not mean what He says... Christians rejected it anyway!!!!!
Mom and Dad sucked, gave us crappy lives... Only the Holy Spirit in the N.T. did not forget TORAH IS ALIVE AND HE REITERATED IT !!!!! Maybe there was a mistake....
Was G-d mistaken too, to be holy because He is holy? But what is a holy name everyone dams G-d now a days...
Is it alright now for me to want what you have? I mean were all privileged now and everyone should know it....
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 17:3-4, “So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 18:21-22, “Then Kĕpha came to Him and said, “Master, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 18:21-22, “Then Kĕpha came to Him and said, “Master, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”[/FONT]
"forgive them as I have forgiven you"
I think maybe you need to read up a little on how Jesus talked to and treated those who created a religion which transgressed the Commandments of God by their man made religious traditions.
The point of my post from the beginning was about repentance. Why did Jesus forgive some and not others.
Where in the example I used was I judging a person as "Not being sorry enough".
When the example I gave was of a person who showed through "Works" that they were not sorry at all. You might go back as actually read my post and then go on to read what Jesus actually said.
Then please show me where my thinking is flawed as Jesus instructed brothers to do.
Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
My point is a repentant person, like the adulterous woman, would not commit adultery 7 times after Jesus said don't do it.
The "works" which are required for repentance is the "Not doing it again". She may have made other mistakes, but not that one. The repentant thief may commit other sins against me. But if he is truly repentant, he wont break into my house and steal again.
This truth stings those religious people who "practice iniquity", it also explains why Jesus didn't forgive the Pharisees.
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
I think maybe you need to read up a little on how Jesus talked to and treated those who created a religion which transgressed the Commandments of God by their man made religious traditions.
The point of my post from the beginning was about repentance. Why did Jesus forgive some and not others.
Where in the example I used was I judging a person as "Not being sorry enough".
When the example I gave was of a person who showed through "Works" that they were not sorry at all. You might go back as actually read my post and then go on to read what Jesus actually said.
Then please show me where my thinking is flawed as Jesus instructed brothers to do.
Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
My point is a repentant person, like the adulterous woman, would not commit adultery 7 times after Jesus said don't do it.
The "works" which are required for repentance is the "Not doing it again". She may have made other mistakes, but not that one. The repentant thief may commit other sins against me. But if he is truly repentant, he wont break into my house and steal again.
This truth stings those religious people who "practice iniquity", it also explains why Jesus didn't forgive the Pharisees.
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Learn what the following quote from the Master is saying; hear His voice.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I'm not saying any such thing. You are saying this. You read it, but you don't see the word "Repent". Fascinating.
Repent= Greek "metanoeo" = "to think differently" or afterwards, "reconsider" "To Transform" "change".
In the example that I gave in response to G9 and I's discussion regarding the Adulterous woman. A man broke in to a house and was caught. He said he repented, but broke into the same house again. Again he said he repented, but again, broke into the house.
So if the man had truly repented, he wouldn't have continued breaking into the house would he? His "Change of mind" would have cause him to "STOP" breaking into the house, just like the adulterous woman would have stopped the practice of committing adultery.
I'm typing real slow so you may be able to understand this Biblical concept. Now the man may commit another sin, in need of repentance, but not the sin against a brother of breaking into his home and stealing his stuff.
This is called "Works worthy of repentance". It's in your Bible.
Matt. 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Paul taught this as well.
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
So you seem to preach, as "many" who come in His name on this forum, that it is impossible for the man not to break into the house and steal, or that it is impossible for the woman to live without committing adultery.
But Jesus teaches the opposite. Not only are they "Capable of changing" (Repentance) if they set their mind to it, but that they must "change" their mind to be forgiven.
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
I want to bring to Light how you twist scripture to defend your religious practice." He Didn't instruct you to "Say" you repent. He instructs to "Repent" and not only that but to bring works worthy of repentance.
The man in the example I posted did not repent.
So no Post, Jesus isn't the liar in this case. This time it's you.
Repent= Greek "metanoeo" = "to think differently" or afterwards, "reconsider" "To Transform" "change".
In the example that I gave in response to G9 and I's discussion regarding the Adulterous woman. A man broke in to a house and was caught. He said he repented, but broke into the same house again. Again he said he repented, but again, broke into the house.
So if the man had truly repented, he wouldn't have continued breaking into the house would he? His "Change of mind" would have cause him to "STOP" breaking into the house, just like the adulterous woman would have stopped the practice of committing adultery.
I'm typing real slow so you may be able to understand this Biblical concept. Now the man may commit another sin, in need of repentance, but not the sin against a brother of breaking into his home and stealing his stuff.
This is called "Works worthy of repentance". It's in your Bible.
Matt. 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Paul taught this as well.
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
So you seem to preach, as "many" who come in His name on this forum, that it is impossible for the man not to break into the house and steal, or that it is impossible for the woman to live without committing adultery.
But Jesus teaches the opposite. Not only are they "Capable of changing" (Repentance) if they set their mind to it, but that they must "change" their mind to be forgiven.
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
I want to bring to Light how you twist scripture to defend your religious practice." He Didn't instruct you to "Say" you repent. He instructs to "Repent" and not only that but to bring works worthy of repentance.
The man in the example I posted did not repent.
So no Post, Jesus isn't the liar in this case. This time it's you.
I didn't say our walk is already perfect. I said it is our walk that is perfected. The comment, "are we perfected by the flesh or the spirit"?
The "We" here is our walk is it not? Isn't that what is being perfected?
Phil. 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, (What is he reaching for?)
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Our walk is perfected, isn't that the High calling? "Be ye perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect"
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
How can my post not be right?
The "We" here is our walk is it not? Isn't that what is being perfected?
Phil. 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, (What is he reaching for?)
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Our walk is perfected, isn't that the High calling? "Be ye perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect"
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
How can my post not be right?
SM raises an interesting discussion point with his speculative anecdote, but the way he frames it makes it too unrealistic to be practical.
Realistically, if a brother gets caught stealing and then repents, forgive him, but also have him arrested. Rinse and repeat if necessary. GOD will take care of the rest.
Realistically, if a brother gets caught stealing and then repents, forgive him, but also have him arrested. Rinse and repeat if necessary. GOD will take care of the rest.