Do We Have To Keep The Law?

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Nehemiah6

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You made a large jump there. It is only sin if it causes another brother to stumble, but you enlarged that to it being sin to eat such food. NO, it is not binding on Christians. Acts 15:20, 29 have nothing to do with us today.
Believe whatever you want to believe. How would you know when you are a stumbling block? But it is evident that you would rather pick and choose what to believe instead of simply accepting Bible truth. Plenty of that happening here and elsewhere.
 

Joseppi

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In context you will see that being delivered from the law means

1) not being under the condemnation of the law anymore, and

2) not being under the power of the law to make you sin anymore.

But the church has been taught that not being under the law means you don't have to do what it says anymore. That's absurd. (Yes, there are various ceremonial laws you do not have to keep anymore, like sacrificing animals, etc.).

What new commandments do we keep that were not in the old commandments?
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Why don't you list some and let's check.
I think you are needlessly criticizing the new covenant.

1. The old covenant didn’t work. That isn’t a criticism of the law, ceremonial or otherwise, it’s just the truth.
So it had to be replaced.
But God knew it wouldn’t work.
So why did he covenant with man before Jesus came to save us?
He did it because mankind is confident in the flesh. That confidence has to be condemned as wicked,.
So the law was effective in establishing that we need Jesus or all the world will be condemned by law without remedy.

The new covenant wirks, it is literally legally effective.
1. Every believer in Jesus dies and are legally set free of the old covenant and law. Baptism.
2. Every dead man that believes in Jesus is raised from the dead to live in the spirit, and to receive a new body.
3. In the spirit we are new man able to walk perfect before God if we walk faithfully.
4. The problem of unfinished, not steadfast faith is solved by Jesus perfecting our faith in a personal one on one way and collectively as the body of Christ.
5. The whole body grows up unto the perfect man Jesus. No one becomes perfected alone but only as a faithful member of the whole body of Christ. Ephesians.
6. Jesus gets the glory unto God. No flesh can boast. Our faith was a free gift.

I choose the following command of Jesus for reveal his new way.

John 8:31-32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


The promise of being set free is the promise to live in the house of God as a family member, a adopted son, rather than as a servant. Under the old covenant a man can’t become a son of God with intimate relationship with God, in Christ.

We will be set free once we continue in the word of Jesus and become his disciplined disciples who come unto the full knowledge of the truth.

Instead of thinking about the letter of the law, a supposing the law has been defamed, or ignored, think of the true way that is Jesus.

The new way is God’s new and living way.
We grow in grace unto Christ’s perfecting of all who are faithful.

Instead of thinking law, think of following a living Jesus.

The new way not only fulfills the whole law, but it also fulfills the doing of all the good works of God he has ordained for the body of Christ to accomplish in the power of the Spirit of God.

If I may, I think of it this way...

It is for me today as if I am one of Jesus apostles back in the day. I myself follow Jesus down the road and learn from him personally and as a group. We sit down a fellowship together around a fire perhaps, and hear Jesus teach, and think of his words and actions that day. We lay down and sleep together with Jesus among us. Suddenly we are awakened... Jesus is up and leaving because the Spirit leads. We grumble maybe but we won’t be left behind. We head off further down the road God leads Jesus to do God’s will for that day....

Yo me the new and living way is salvation with intimate relationship with Jesus, such that, by his grace my imperfections are dealt with daily as God determines. If I sin, his grace provides salvation as we all grow towards the perfect man in Christ that God has ordained us to be.

The amazing thing is that I am God’s son, not a slave, not a servant in the house. I may appear to be not a son of God but nevertheless I am, and one day the sons of God will be fully manifest before all.


John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.


In the new way we are changed not as natural men perfecting themselves in a mirror.
We are changed into Christ’s image by keeping our eyes on Jesus not the letter of law. Jesus may be seen dimly at first but eventually we will see him perfectly.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


I love the new and living way.
 

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And all the commandments can be summed up in one: LOVE!
First love God and also love your neighbor as yourself. Love is the fulfilment of the law!
Yes we know that...but how will you show Love ? the way you think is right or the way GOD wants you to ? how would you know without being instructed ? that is what the 10 C's are for INCLUDING the first 4 on loving GOD !
 

Budman

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To all the Law Keepers:

There are 613 Mosaic (OT) Laws.

How many of those are we supposed to obey?

How many are salvational?
 

Jackson123

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We don't have ability to keep all law. And if we break one, we break all

[h=1]James 2:10 King James Version (KJV)[/h]10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

but I believe there is correlation between salvation and law keeper.
I mean the more you love Jesus the more you keep His law.

Say an assasin turn to Jesus, I believe Jesus in Him will lead him to repent stop kill and become a loving person
 

Budman

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We don't have ability to keep all law. And if we break one, we break all

James 2:10 King James Version (KJV)

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

but I believe there is correlation between salvation and law keeper.
I mean the more you love Jesus the more you keep His law.
"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.” (John 6:28-29)

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Galatians 5:14)


 
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To all the Law Keepers:

There are 613 Mosaic (OT) Laws.

How many of those are we supposed to obey?

How many are salvational?
The question should be before Jesus was crucified, how many were salvational?
 

Jackson123

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"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.” (John 6:28-29)

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Galatians 5:14)


and if you love your neighbors you not kill them not steal from them etc. kind of back to the law, but we never able to do it without abide in the Vine.
 

mailmandan

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"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.” (John 6:28-29)

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Galatians 5:14)
Amen brother!

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Gabriel2020

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If you are righteous, then these laws are not for you,, but for sinners who will not obey them anyway. that is why they were written. In case you didn't know, but God never handled any of these laws, but rather left them to Moses and all those who were in AUTHORTY. They were instructed on what to do to a law breaker. But the laws of God that we now as believers follow is being established in us to do only righteousness, and God's will. And these laws are directly controlled by God. ,and not by the hands of men.
 

Grandpa

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Yes we know that...but how will you show Love ? the way you think is right or the way GOD wants you to ? how would you know without being instructed ? that is what the 10 C's are for INCLUDING the first 4 on loving GOD !
In the story of the good Samaritan when the Pharisee and the Levite pass by the robbed man, which of the 10 commandments in Exodus 20 did they break???
 

posthuman

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Yes we know that...but how will you show Love ? the way you think is right or the way GOD wants you to ? how would you know without being instructed ? that is what the 10 C's are for INCLUDING the first 4 on loving GOD !
We will know by the Spirit He put in us, by the truth He engraves in our heart. So that we do not serve according to the letter that kills, but the spirit that gives life.

Many people had Moses and yet their hearts were uncircumcised and their eyes veiled. 10c isn't the gospel and 10c neither saves nor justifies nor makes holy.
 

mailmandan

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We will know by the Spirit He put in us, by the truth He engraves in our heart. So that we do not serve according to the letter that kills, but the spirit that gives life.

Many people had Moses and yet their hearts were uncircumcised and their eyes veiled. 10c isn't the gospel and 10c neither saves nor justifies nor makes holy.
Amen brother! Well said! :)
 

Gabriel2020

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Those laws were written for punishment to those that did wrong towards others, that caused others harm by injury or death,and also doing immoral things.
 
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1. You cant keep the law
2. even if you could, you would still sin, because the law does not show every sin, or tell us how to live moral lives, it was not given for that purpose (see gal 3)

end of discussion (even though i know lawyers will yell and scream otherwise)
 

Gabriel2020

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If you are a true believer and commit a crime concerning these laws, then you have placed yourself under it's curse and is punished by the law giver. but that is not us because we we are taught to love and treat each other the way we want to be treated. and that means that we cannot find it in our hearts to do such a thing, and that is the law of God.
 

Budman

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If you are a true believer and commit a crime concerning these laws, then you have placed yourself under it's curse and is punished by the law giver. but that is not us because we we are taught to love and treat each other the way we want to be treated. and that means that we cannot find it in our hearts to do such a thing, and that is the law of God.
Are you saying you no longer break the Mosaic Law? :confused:
 
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For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Galatians 5:14)


How does this make it so Christians do not have to keep the law of Moses (the parts that remain to be literally kept)?
 
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1. You cant keep the law
2. even if you could, you would still sin, because the law does not show every sin, or tell us how to live moral lives, it was not given for that purpose (see gal 3)

end of discussion (even though i know lawyers will yell and scream otherwise)
Are you saying all this means we don't have to keep the law of Moses? (The parts that remain to be literally kept.)