The distinction is not between "acts of God" and "an act of the Holy Spirit" since they are both in the same. The distinction is between physical and non-physical acts of God. God may have influenced the election but it was certainly not a physical act of God that got him elected. This is the point of the OP, is God performing physical acts such as the physically raising the dead or healing the lame?
Do we live in an age of the miraculous?
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A rebuke followed by wild speculation on your part. Why don't you just stick with what the Bible says? Where does the Bible say that Jesus never did any miracles when the Pharisees were around? Wasn't blinding the Pharisee Paul a miracle? Nicodemus was a Pharisee. He was familiar with Jesus' miracles. He said to Jesus, "Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him." Whether he saw them or not, we don't know. Jesus refusing to give a sign for the Pharisees and Saducees on one occasion does not mean He never did any miracles before Pharisees when he was ministering in the synagogues and other places.
Anyway, the Bible is holy. Jesus is holy. We shouldn't just make statements up about what Jesus did or did not do without some reason for knowing it. And you shouldn't make up reasons for why Jesus did or did not allegedly do something, unless this has clearly been made known to us. I Corinthians 15 indicates being a false witness of God is a bad thing. Being a false witness of Christ would not be a good thing, would it?
Here we are again with you thinking you can pronounce THE purpose of miracles, as if you have the authority to choose one purpose and make that the only one.
Jesus also did miracles that demonstrated His compassion.
When you read this do you come away with the impression that the actual woman being healed wasn't part of the purpose of her being healed?
Luke 13
15 The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? 16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?”
What reason does Jesus give for the man being born blind? Notice that he was healed.
John 8:3a
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Can you give me one scripture or even one reason why miracles today can't bear witness to the same sorts of things they bore witness to in Biblical times?
Anyway, the Bible is holy. Jesus is holy. We shouldn't just make statements up about what Jesus did or did not do without some reason for knowing it. And you shouldn't make up reasons for why Jesus did or did not allegedly do something, unless this has clearly been made known to us. I Corinthians 15 indicates being a false witness of God is a bad thing. Being a false witness of Christ would not be a good thing, would it?
Here we are again with you thinking you can pronounce THE purpose of miracles, as if you have the authority to choose one purpose and make that the only one.
Jesus also did miracles that demonstrated His compassion.
When you read this do you come away with the impression that the actual woman being healed wasn't part of the purpose of her being healed?
Luke 13
15 The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? 16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?”
What reason does Jesus give for the man being born blind? Notice that he was healed.
John 8:3a
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Can you give me one scripture or even one reason why miracles today can't bear witness to the same sorts of things they bore witness to in Biblical times?
It was said of the early Christians that they turned the world upside down. If you want to have a worldview that just allows for reality to be like the Bible teaches only in Biblical times, but also think that in today's world reality is the way modernists, Deists, and atheists think it is, then you may see a Biblical world view as upside down.
The Bible teaches God does miracles. Specifically, I Corinthians 12 teaches that the Spirit gifts individuals to heal and to do miracles as He wills. The Bible never rescinds that teaching or limits it. Who are you to declare that the Spirit does not do such things. Are you allowed to limit what God will and will not do? Christianity is a revealed religion, not something you can just make up based on what you feel is true. God is not limited by your experiences or opinions either. Out of reverence for God, you should acknowledge that He may do miracles as He wishes, without seeking your opinion or approval.
I'm just applying your approach to reason to other passages. If you have to have extra scriptures that say that scripture still applies to you today, why only take that approach with spiritual gifts, and not salvation, ecclesiology, and church discipline? If you feel that line of reasoning is chaotic or reprobate, then don't apply it to the scriptures that don't fit with your world view. It's not the way I approach the Bible.
The Bible teaches God does miracles. Specifically, I Corinthians 12 teaches that the Spirit gifts individuals to heal and to do miracles as He wills. The Bible never rescinds that teaching or limits it. Who are you to declare that the Spirit does not do such things. Are you allowed to limit what God will and will not do? Christianity is a revealed religion, not something you can just make up based on what you feel is true. God is not limited by your experiences or opinions either. Out of reverence for God, you should acknowledge that He may do miracles as He wishes, without seeking your opinion or approval.
I'm just applying your approach to reason to other passages. If you have to have extra scriptures that say that scripture still applies to you today, why only take that approach with spiritual gifts, and not salvation, ecclesiology, and church discipline? If you feel that line of reasoning is chaotic or reprobate, then don't apply it to the scriptures that don't fit with your world view. It's not the way I approach the Bible.
A physical act of God made Donald Trump president of the United States. Is that your story? Wow.
Since you know this about our current president, can you list any presidents who were not physically put into office by God.
The more replies I read from those who believe they are seeing the miraculous regularly, its becomes clear why they believe this nonsense. They see almost everything as supernatural, regardless of the subject they simply label the mundane miraculous and say, "I woke up today, see the physical supernatural acts of God are all around us just like during the time of Jesus."
Truly many here sip tea from the table of the Mad Hatter.
Since you know this about our current president, can you list any presidents who were not physically put into office by God.
The more replies I read from those who believe they are seeing the miraculous regularly, its becomes clear why they believe this nonsense. They see almost everything as supernatural, regardless of the subject they simply label the mundane miraculous and say, "I woke up today, see the physical supernatural acts of God are all around us just like during the time of Jesus."
Truly many here sip tea from the table of the Mad Hatter.
No offense, but I don't believe these remote stories of the dead being resurrected in obscure places. In this modern age where everything is caught on video, isn't it odd that no cell phone captured these miracles? Its kind of like UFO sightings, its always Jeb and Bo who spotted a UFO in the back woods after finishing a case of beer
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The Bible doesn't say that the Holy Spirit sends UFOs. It does teach that the Holy Spirit gifts members of the body of Christ with gifts of healing and the working of miracles.
There are also plenty of healings captured on video you can sort through with a quick search of YouTube. The one I was writing about in Irian Jaya had to have happened before 2000, before cell phone cameras were common. I suspect some of the missionaries who work with tribes people may not have ready access to tribesmen in remote areas today may not have constant access to electricity like we do.
That sounds like the pablum Hollywood screen writers put in the mouths of Roman Catholic priests.
This is a very unbiblical statement. Even in the passage you quoted, Thomas still needed to believe after seeing evidence for the resurrection. Think about Peter, too. He did a miracle, walking on water, while he believed. When he doubted, he sank. The miracle he performed required faith. It did no do away with the necessity of faith.
Jesus had just told him to put his fingers into His hands and to put his hand into His side, 'and be not faithless, but believing.' So Thomas seeing evidence of the miracle did not do away with the need for faith, or Jesus would not have told him to believe. He did miss out on a blessing.
How does this passage apply to the topic at hand? There are some people who still believe God does miracles even if they haven't seen them, and others who will only believe if they see them.
If true miracles removed the necessity for faith, how could you say 'seeing is believing'. You seem to be contradicting yourself.
Jesus spoke well of receiving prophets and said that He would send prophets, but He also warned of false prophets. So we should accept the existence of both. In the Bible, we see followers of Jesus working miracles and that there will be lying signs and wonders. So it is wrong to dismiss all miracles and prophecy out of hand. Like Paul says, "Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things. Hold fast to that which is good."
The Bible teaches the proper balanced view on this topic.
You do not prove that physical supernatural events are currently happening by referring to acts that happened 2000 years ago and this is exactly what you are doing. You are claiming these events are happening now but present evidence of it happening 2000 years ago.
Why?
With all these physical acts happening now why do you point to commands and examples from 2000 years ago?
Why does your ilk present video lectures and 1200 page books as evidence of these events happening today?
Have you no answers to such simple questions?
Your beliefs hold less water then those of bigfoot, loch ness monsters or space aliens. Since these creatures are supposedly hiding their believers have an excuse of why we cannot see them. Why can we not see your claims?
Why?
With all these physical acts happening now why do you point to commands and examples from 2000 years ago?
Why does your ilk present video lectures and 1200 page books as evidence of these events happening today?
Have you no answers to such simple questions?
Your beliefs hold less water then those of bigfoot, loch ness monsters or space aliens. Since these creatures are supposedly hiding their believers have an excuse of why we cannot see them. Why can we not see your claims?
DJ2, I am addressing the problem I see, your not believing the scriptures. That can have much wider implications than the issue at hand.
If you see no evidence of miracles around you, you should still believe they may occur because of the Bible.
Most people don't go around collecting video evidence for what they believe in. I've seen evidence of God healing supernaturally. Biblically, the testimony of witnesses is a valid form of evidence. If someone showed you evidence of healing on video, wouldn't you be sarcastic and reject that as well. The issue is a heart issue. That is more important than the evidence issue.
If you see no evidence of miracles around you, you should still believe they may occur because of the Bible.
Most people don't go around collecting video evidence for what they believe in. I've seen evidence of God healing supernaturally. Biblically, the testimony of witnesses is a valid form of evidence. If someone showed you evidence of healing on video, wouldn't you be sarcastic and reject that as well. The issue is a heart issue. That is more important than the evidence issue.
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Jesus prophesied this He was not going to do mighty works in His own house, the temple, because of the unbelief of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Because of the word of God. Faith comes by hearing the word of God not through seeing miracles. Only those who have faith will see a miracle and attribute it to God.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
There is no doubt that God has mercy upon the evil as well as the good. Only the good can see it is God operating through mercy. The evil attribute it to fortune. The church has become so worldly that it misses much of what God is doing. God is still rescuing little children buried under piles of debris from earthquakes long after men would have lost all hope.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Jesus prophesied this He was not going to do mighty works in His own house, the temple, because of the unbelief of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Because of the word of God. Faith comes by hearing the word of God not through seeing miracles. Only those who have faith will see a miracle and attribute it to God.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
There is no doubt that God has mercy upon the evil as well as the good. Only the good can see it is God operating through mercy. The evil attribute it to fortune. The church has become so worldly that it misses much of what God is doing. God is still rescuing little children buried under piles of debris from earthquakes long after men would have lost all hope.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
"Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds" (2 Corinthians 12:12). I believe these signs were given to the apostles, not the whole church, "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets" Ephesians 2:20). Jesus assigned certain gifts specifically to his apostles; "And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following" (Mark 16:20). Paul specifically stated who these gifts were designated for; "At the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will" (Hebrews 2: 3 &4). These extraordinary gifts were signs given of God to confirm the word of the apostles in their preaching. They were only intended to function at the hand of the Apostles in confirmation of Christ.
When the apostles passed away, these signs of their office also ceased. This is both scriptural and an historical fact. It is the testimony of the early church that the extraordinary gifts of tongues, miracles, healings etc., all passed away with the death of the apostles.
"Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases" (Luke 9:1). They were limited in scope, only casting out demons and healing diseases, and they were limited in terms of who received them, only the Apostles and the 70 commissioned directly by Jesus, and some who worked alongside the Apostles. It never went beyond that. The gift of healing was a temporary sign gift for the authenticating of those who wrote the Scripture and those who preached the message in that first century. Once the Scripture was completed and that authenticity was established, the gift of healing ceased.
I am not asking to see videos of miracles, I am asking you to stop dodging my questions and instead answer them. Why do you refuse to answer such simple questions? I am well aware of your avoiding the questions as are others who are reading these posts. Labeling me as a nonbeliever with a heart issue is not going to work. Just answer the question.
Why can we not see these physical supernatural works of the Holy Spirit that you claim are happening today?
If you and your ilk want to believe such things fine but do not label others who know the difference between the natural and supernatural as people who have heart issues about believing the scriptures.
I have been a Christian since I was 18 and believe all the scriptures. Been on mission trips and prayed with the sick for recovery. Yes, presidente I am a Bible believing Christian who will not bend a knee to claims of false miracles.
I have conversed with many differents Christian groups and have never seen such ignorance on a subject as this one. It seems this issue caused many to ignore reason, common sense and logic and exchange it for a a self induced delusion.
Answer my question so we can move on.
Why can we not see these physical supernatural works of the Holy Spirit that you claim are happening today?
If you and your ilk want to believe such things fine but do not label others who know the difference between the natural and supernatural as people who have heart issues about believing the scriptures.
I have been a Christian since I was 18 and believe all the scriptures. Been on mission trips and prayed with the sick for recovery. Yes, presidente I am a Bible believing Christian who will not bend a knee to claims of false miracles.
I have conversed with many differents Christian groups and have never seen such ignorance on a subject as this one. It seems this issue caused many to ignore reason, common sense and logic and exchange it for a a self induced delusion.
Answer my question so we can move on.
I'm not saying that it was a miraculous supernatural event that put Donald Trump in office but rather that God appoints those He choses in positions of authority whether that person is for good or evil.
You have a serious attitude problem and act very condescending to those who may have an opinion other than your own. You are not here on this site to edify or spiritually uplift anyone but only to play out you own agenda acting as if you are morally and spiritually superior to everyone else. Your act is becoming cloying and boring. All you do is cause strife and disruption. I'm not going to waste any more of my precious time on the likes of someone who acts like a spoiled little child.
You have a serious attitude problem and act very condescending to those who may have an opinion other than your own. You are not here on this site to edify or spiritually uplift anyone but only to play out you own agenda acting as if you are morally and spiritually superior to everyone else. Your act is becoming cloying and boring. All you do is cause strife and disruption. I'm not going to waste any more of my precious time on the likes of someone who acts like a spoiled little child.
'There' refers to Nazareth. He was in Nazareth in this verse, which was on the other side of Samaria from the temple.
Even with your interpretation, it says that he did not many mighty works, which isn't the same as saying He did none. Jesus healed a few sick folk in Nazareth.
So you disagree with the statement in scripture that God bore witness to those who heard Christ with signs, wonders, and gifts of the Holy Ghost according to His own will? I think you are imagining a contradiction between signs bearing witness to the word and faith coming by hearing.
Sergius Paulus believed the word he'd been hearing after he saw Elymas blinded.
Even with your interpretation, it says that he did not many mighty works, which isn't the same as saying He did none. Jesus healed a few sick folk in Nazareth.
So you disagree with the statement in scripture that God bore witness to those who heard Christ with signs, wonders, and gifts of the Holy Ghost according to His own will? I think you are imagining a contradiction between signs bearing witness to the word and faith coming by hearing.
Sergius Paulus believed the word he'd been hearing after he saw Elymas blinded.
Why don't you go back and read my previous responses? I've pointed out there are lots of videos of healings for you to look up. Miracles and healing do happen today, like I said, not on every street corner in my experience, but from time to time.
Why don't you see them? That's a silly question. You probably just aren't where they are happening. Why don't you pray, in faith, for God to show you.
I'm talking about the snarky attitude toward something that is Biblical. You don't address the Biblical issues, though I notice a little less snark in the posts. The Bible teaches that the Spirit gifts members of the body to heal and to do miracles as He wills. If you haven't seen it, does your not seeing it make this scripture not true? Why do your posts and questions assume this scripture isn't true? They assume miracles do not happen.
No one is asking you to bend a knee to miracles. We worship God, not miracles. It's good if you believe the scriptures. if you say you do, believe the ones about spiritual gifts instead of writing as if these scriptures aren't true or applicable.
When you pray for the sick for recovery, do you believe God will heal them?
Why don't you see them? That's a silly question. You probably just aren't where they are happening. Why don't you pray, in faith, for God to show you.
I'm talking about the snarky attitude toward something that is Biblical. You don't address the Biblical issues, though I notice a little less snark in the posts. The Bible teaches that the Spirit gifts members of the body to heal and to do miracles as He wills. If you haven't seen it, does your not seeing it make this scripture not true? Why do your posts and questions assume this scripture isn't true? They assume miracles do not happen.
No one is asking you to bend a knee to miracles. We worship God, not miracles. It's good if you believe the scriptures. if you say you do, believe the ones about spiritual gifts instead of writing as if these scriptures aren't true or applicable.
When you pray for the sick for recovery, do you believe God will heal them?
I suggest you also read I Corinthians 12. 'The working of miracles' is listed among the spiritual gifts the Spirit gives to members of the body of Christ. Toward the end of the chapter, there is a list of different gifts/ministries. In the list are apostles, prophets, teachers and 'miracles.' So there are some miracle workers who aren't apostles. You could know that from reading Acts. Philip the evangelist and Stephen did signs among the people. They were appointed by the twelve to feed widows. They weren't part of the twelve.
There are those who take that verse you quoted to mean that there were some 'apostolic level' miracles that other miracle workers didn't do. Another interpretation is that because the 'signs of an apostle' were done with signs, wonders, and mighty deeds, that Paul is talking about two types of signs, and that the signs of the apostle may refer to the sufferings he described in the passage. I think I read that from John White, the author whose books Intravarisity published
Jesus sent out another 70. There were some miracle workers who did not follow with the 12, since casting out demons is a miracle according to Jesus. The apostles told them to stop casting out demons in Jesus name, and Jesus corrected them. The Spirit sent out Saul and Barnabas who were not a part of the twelve and they did miracles. There are also non-apostle miracle workers referenced, again, in I Corinthians 12.
Paul? Oh well, that's a tangent. This passage tells us that them that heard the Lord (doesn't say limited to the twelve) did miracles. It's rather illogical to conclude from that that no one did.
I could use the same sort of 'logic' to say that since the Bible says, "and Judas went and hanged himself" that no one else in history ever hanged himself, because the Bible says Judas did.
The signs confirmed the word. The Bible does not say that this was limited to the apostles. This is cleary not the case from Acts (Stephen and Philip.) I Corinthians 12 talks about gifts given 'for the common good' and one body part ministers to another.
Since you put 'only' in the sentence, that is totally man-made doctrine, adoctrine that contradicts scripture.
Man-made doctrine not taught in scripture. This is not part of 'the faith once delivered to the saints.' It is also historically inaccurate, which you would see if you would read some early church writers. Irenaeus is a good example.
Do you feel like you are being honest to write such things when you obviously haven't bothered to read Ireneaus writings or the writings of many, many others that contradict your assertion? Why make declarations when you haven't done the research?
I've addressed this above? I just don't get why someone wouldn't at least read through the New Testament and search out this topic before making such declarations. It makes no sense to me.
This is a man-made doctrine. It is not taught in the Bible. It is not part of the faith once delivered to the saints, and it contradicts the experience of Christians who lived later. If you want to say a passage written to the church is no longer true and applicable, you need more than 'because I say so.'
I am pointing out that it is wrong for someone to get all snarky against what the Bible teaches. There is plenty of evidence of contemporary healing if you will research it. I am not responsible for you never seeing one, or seeing evidence of one, with your own eyes.
If you pray for sick people, and they aren't healed instantly, does that prove God doesn't heal instantly through other people? If you don't even believe God does such things today, is it any surprise if your prayer isn't instantly answered? If you want to see instant healings, pray and believe God to answer.
You started off this thread with a snarky, haughty-sounding attitude, assuming no miracles were happening. I rebuked you for your attitude, which was contrary to the word of God. Your posts are slightly less snarky and obtuse now, which is good.
Why the divisive language? Do you know what 'heretic' means. What is my 'ilk'? People who believe that commandments and teachings for the church are still valid in this age?
When you went on missions trips, did you tell the people that the idea that the Holy Spirit would do the sorts of things the Bible says that he would do is akin to believing in bigfoot or space aliens? What kind of attitude is that toward the word of God?
If the Holy Spirit only wanted to give one believer every 100 years to do a miracle, that is His right according to I Corinthians 12, where we read He gifts believers as He wills. (But there are other scriptures on this subject) If the Spirit were only gifting one person once every hundred years, you still shouldn't have this snarky unbelieving attitude toward spiritual gifts and the scriptures.
Stephen and Philip acted under the authority of an apostle, but my point remains that no miraculous healing have occurred post apostle. If you know of any proclaimed healers, let me know, because I could use one .
In short, cessationists hold that the sovereignty of God is such that all healing of any sickness is the result of God's working. The miracles that have ceased are those apostolic-era gifts used only for the purpose of spreading the gospel in the early church; those that were bestowed on individuals, rather than purely by God's working.
I doubt we will agree, its not a matter of man-made doctrine, but interpretation. Its also a matter of observance, I haven't seen what you claim exist, and I don't trust most of the miraculous stories to be true. Apostles and Prophets were picked for a specific purpose, and I simply believe it was a one time assignment to accomplish a divine task. That doesn't mean that God doesn't perform miracles today, but just that its not used to confirm or proclaim the authority of an individual.
. In short, cessationists hold that the sovereignty of God is such that all healing of any sickness is the result of God's working. The miracles that have ceased are those apostolic-era gifts used only for the purpose of spreading the gospel in the early church; those that were bestowed on individuals, rather than purely by God's working.
I doubt we will agree, its not a matter of man-made doctrine, but interpretation. Its also a matter of observance, I haven't seen what you claim exist, and I don't trust most of the miraculous stories to be true. Apostles and Prophets were picked for a specific purpose, and I simply believe it was a one time assignment to accomplish a divine task. That doesn't mean that God doesn't perform miracles today, but just that its not used to confirm or proclaim the authority of an individual.
Presidente:When you went on missions trips, did you tell the people that the idea that the Holy Spirit would do the sorts of things the Bible says that he would do is akin to believing in bigfoot or space aliens? What kind of attitude is that toward the word of God?
If the Holy Spirit only wanted to give one believer every 100 years to do a miracle, that is His right according to I Corinthians 12, where we read He gifts believers as He wills. (But there are other scriptures on this subject) If the Spirit were only gifting one person once every hundred years, you still shouldn't have this snarky unbelieving attitude toward spiritual gifts and the scriptures.
Presidente, this is not the point: In mission trip of course you see more of the power of God revealed as in the church. A believer God must not proof that he is the almighty God (hopely not). But to an Hindu ore an muslim ore an animist has God to reveal his power over demons and sickness.
But to me it seemsthat the believers longing for the supernatural, and are not sufficient with only to trust alone. And this why many follows people which claiming to have the supernaturell power.
That I dont believe that God is acting today in the same way when the believers had no complete bible to find the will of God as we have today then because it is seen in the history that these gifts was not longer in the church. This is a fact, but meant not that God has stopped to work in the church, but even not in the same way as before. In the days of the we find also times when miracles was for an specific time.F.e. when Israel went out of Egypt, ore with the prophets Eliah and Elisa.
If the Holy Spirit only wanted to give one believer every 100 years to do a miracle, that is His right according to I Corinthians 12, where we read He gifts believers as He wills. (But there are other scriptures on this subject) If the Spirit were only gifting one person once every hundred years, you still shouldn't have this snarky unbelieving attitude toward spiritual gifts and the scriptures.
Presidente, this is not the point: In mission trip of course you see more of the power of God revealed as in the church. A believer God must not proof that he is the almighty God (hopely not). But to an Hindu ore an muslim ore an animist has God to reveal his power over demons and sickness.
But to me it seemsthat the believers longing for the supernatural, and are not sufficient with only to trust alone. And this why many follows people which claiming to have the supernaturell power.
That I dont believe that God is acting today in the same way when the believers had no complete bible to find the will of God as we have today then because it is seen in the history that these gifts was not longer in the church. This is a fact, but meant not that God has stopped to work in the church, but even not in the same way as before. In the days of the we find also times when miracles was for an specific time.F.e. when Israel went out of Egypt, ore with the prophets Eliah and Elisa.