DO YOU LOVE GODS LAW?

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gb9

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If you are against these Scriptures it is not me you fight, for the Spirit of the Most High inspired this truth.

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Mattithyah 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Zechariah 7:12, "Yes, they made their hearts as hard as stone, that they could not hear the Law, and the words which Yahweh of hosts had sent by his Spirit by the former prophets. Therefore great wrath came from Yahweh of hosts."

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Isayah 65
"I am sought by those who did not ask for Me; I am found by those who did not seek Me. I said: Here I am, here I am, to a nation that was not called with My Name. I have spread out My hands all the day to a rebellious people, who walk in a way which is not right, after their own thoughts; devices; A people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face; who sacrifice in gardens, and burn incense on altars of brick; Who assemble and spend the night keeping memorials for the dead, who eat swine's flesh, and the broth of abominable things; unclean foods, is in their vessels, Who say; Stand by yourself! Do not come near me, for I am holier than you! These are a smoke in My nostrils, a fire that burns all the day. Behold, it is written before Me; I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom--Your iniquities and the iniquities of your fathers together, says Yahweh: who have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed Me upon the hills. Therefore I will measure their former work into their bosom. This is what Yahweh says: As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one says; Do not destroy it, for a blessing is in it; so will I do for My servants' sake, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Yaaqob, and out of Yahdah an inheritor of My mountains; and My elect will inherit it, and My servants will live there. Sharon will be a fold of flocks, and the Valley of Achor a place for herds to lie down, for My people who have sought Me. But you are those who forsake Yahweh, who forget My holy mountain, who prepare a table for that troop and who furnish a drink offering for that number. Therefore, I will number you for the sword, and you will all bow down to the slaughter, because when I called, you did not answer; when I spoke, you did not listen; but did evil in front ofMy eyes, and you chose that in which I did not delight. Therefore, this is what Yahweh our Father says: Behold, My servants will eat, but you will be hungry. Behold, My servants will drink, but you will be thirsty. Behold, My servants will rejoice, but you will be ashamed. Behold, My servants will sing for joy of heart, but you will cry for sorrow of heart, and wail for vexation; grief, of spirit; And the names of your gods will remain as a trap; test, to My chosen; for Yahweh our Father will slay you, but he will give His servants a Name, that will remain forever; That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the power of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the power of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.They have been adversaries from the beginning; therefore, they are hidden from My eyes. For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former will not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for behold, I create Yerusalem as a rejoicing, and her people a joy. I will rejoice in Yerusalem, and rejoice in My people; the voice of weeping will no longer be heard in her, nor the voice of crying. No longer will there be in it an infant of only a few days, nor an old man who does not fill out his life; for the child will die a hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old will be accursed; burned. They will build houses, and inhabit them; they will plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They will not build, and another inhabit; they will not plant, and another eat; for as the days of a tree, so will be the days of My people, and My elect will long enjoy the work of their hands. They will not labor in vain, nor bring forth children for trouble; destruction, for they are the seed of the blessed of Yahweh, and their offspring with them. It will come to pass that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb will feed together, the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent's food. They will not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain: says Yahweh."

Isayah 66:17, "They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh."

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the King James version. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.

Isayah 66:20-24, "And they will bring all your brothers for an offering to Yahweh--out of all nations, on horses, in chariots, and in litters, on mules, and on camels, to My holy mountain Yerusalem, says Yahweh: just as the children ofIsrayl bring an offering in a clean vessel into The Bayith Yahweh And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."

Yahdah/Jude 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Romans 1:28-32, "And so, since they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge, Yahweh gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not proper; Being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual impurity, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, Backbiters, haters of Yahweh, despiteful, arrogant, and boastful. They are inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, And without understanding. They are covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, and unmerciful: Who, knowing the righteous judgment of Yahweh, that those who practice such things deserve death, not only continue to do these very things, but also approve of those who practice them."
you do know that they are more verses in the Bible than the 30 or so you quote all the time right??
 

gb9

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so stop writing your own Bible and use the real one. all of it. not just the verses that prop your blind love of O.T. law
 

Hizikyah

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you do know that they are more verses in the Bible than the 30 or so you quote all the time right??
At least I dont quote only one Scripture writer and completely misunderstand everything he says? and call obedience evil....

lol yeah I have read the whole thing, but you know truth is truth right? many say, the Sabbath is for jews only, yet Scripture shows that is false doctrine, then the common reply is "ohh thats OT.


lol

the truth is the truth.

is it evil to obey the Shepherd?

John (Yahchanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John (Yahchanan) 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers.You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

Messiah says the Law will never pass as long as this heaven and earth is still here, and doing it and teaching it are a right thing, how am I called "legalistis" and such for repeating this?

Mattithyah 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
 

Hizikyah

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To ignore, reject this is rejecting the Messiah.

Messiah says the Law will never pass as long as this heaven and earth is still here, and doing it and teaching it are a right thing, how am I called "legalistic" and such for repeating this?

Mattithyah 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
 

Hizikyah

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The Savior says;

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.
 
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The Savior says;

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.
NO! Hiz that's not what Gods Word says! you should be ashamed to use such a translation, do you honor God at all?
 

JaumeJ

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What do you suppose it does say? I must agree with the wisdom handed down from out fathers.

Mat 24:35


(ASV)
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


(CEV)
The sky and the earth won't last forever, but my words will.


(Darby)
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall in no wise pass away.


(DRB)
Heaven and earth shall pass: but my words shall not pass.


(FDB)
Le ciel et la terre passeront, mais mes paroles ne passeront point.


(FLS)
Le ciel et la terre passeront, mais mes paroles ne passeront point.


(HNT)
השמים והארץ יעברו ודברי לא יעברון׃


(INR)
Il cielo e la terra passeranno, ma le mie parole non passeranno.


(IRL)
Il cielo e la terra passeranno, ma le mie parole non passeranno.


(ISV)
Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear."


(KJV)
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


(KJV+)
Heaven[SUP]G3772 andG2532 earthG1093 shall pass away,G3928 butG1161 myG3450 wordsG3056 shall notG3364 pass away.G3928 [/SUP]
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(ROB)
Cerul şi pământul vor trece, dar cuvintele Mele nu vor trece.


(SSE)
El cielo y la tierra pasarán, pero mis palabras no pasarán.


(Vulgate)
caelum et terra transibunt verba vero mea non praeteribunt


(Webster)
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


(WNT)
Earth and sky will pass away, but it is certain that my words will not pass away.

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JaumeJ

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And in direct reference to the law, I must say the same.

Mat 5:18


(ASV)
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.


(CEV)
Heaven and earth may disappear. But I promise you that not even a period or comma will ever disappear from the Law. Everything written in it must happen.


(Darby)
For verily I say unto you, Until the heaven and the earth pass away, one iota or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all come to pass.


(DRB)
For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled.


(FDB)
car, en vérité, je vous dis: Jusqu'à ce que le ciel et la terre passent, un seul iota ou un seul trait de lettre ne passera point de la loi, que tout ne soit accompli.


(FLS)
Car, je vous le dis en vérité, tant que le ciel et la terre ne passeront point, il ne disparaîtra pas de la loi un seul iota ou un seul trait de lettre, jusqu'à ce que tout soit arrivé.


(HNT)
כי אמן אמר אני לכם עד כי־יעברו השמים והארץ לא תעבר יוד אחת או־קוץ אחד מן־התורה עד אשר יקים הכל׃


(INR)
Poiché in verità vi dico: finché non siano passati il cielo e la terra, neppure un iota o un apice della legge passerà senza che tutto sia adempiuto.


(IRL)
poiché io vi dico in verità che finché non siano passati il cielo e la terra, neppure un iota o un apice della legge passerà, che tutto non sia adempiuto.


(ISV)
because I tell you with certainty that until heaven and earth disappear, not one letter or one stroke of a letter will disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished.


(KJV)
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


(KJV+)
For[SUP]G1063 verilyG281 I sayG3004 unto you,G5213 TillG2193 heavenG3772 andG2532 earthG1093 pass,G3928 oneG1520 jotG2503 orG2228 oneG3391 tittleG2762 shall in no wiseG3364 passG3928 fromG575 theG3588 law,G3551 tillG2193 allG3956 be fulfilled.G1096 [/SUP]
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(ROB)
Căci adevărat zic vouă: Înainte de a trece cerul şi pământul, o iotă sau o cirtă din Lege nu va trece, până ce se vor face toate.


(SSE)
Porque de cierto os digo, que hasta que perezca el cielo y la tierra, ni una jota ni una tilde perecerá de la Ley, hasta que todas las cosas sean cumplidas.


(Vulgate)
amen quippe dico vobis donec transeat caelum et terra iota unum aut unus apex non praeteribit a lege donec omnia fiant


(Webster)
For verily I say to you, Till heaven and earth shall pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


(WNT)
Solemnly I tell you that until Heaven and earth pass away, not one iota or smallest detail will pass away from the Law until all has taken place.
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john832

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The Savior says;

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.
NO! Hiz that's not what Gods Word says! you should be ashamed to use such a translation, do you honor God at all?
No c'mon Hiz, my friend, what you quoted doesn't say what Mitspa wanted it to say and doesn't agree with his theology so it couldn't be correct.

A little sarcasm here.
 
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No c'mon Hiz, my friend, what you quoted doesn't say what Mitspa wanted it to say and doesn't agree with his theology so it couldn't be correct.

A little sarcasm here.
The fact is that the translation he uses is clearly a false translation and changes the Word of God....I guess you guys love Gods word about as much as you love his law? Its all just religious talk, you guys don't seem to have any honor for God, His Word or His law?
 

JaumeJ

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Grace cannot include the authority to change, modify nor edit the Word.
 
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Not sure what you point is either Jaume....Christ said He came to fulfill the law...all of it or none of it...so those who don't keep all the law are guilty of it all! And the fact remains that every commandment of God is fulfilled in one word...love.
 
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Mitspa

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Grace cannot include the authority to change, modify nor edit the Word.
Well clearly you don't understand grace if you would ask that question....and those under law have rejected the grace of God.
 

JaumeJ

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Please hear this. If one whishes to jusstify himself by the law, he must obey all of the law implicity.

When the Holy Spirit enters us, our desire is to pleas God because of the love that comes with Him. You have already stated all of the law is "performed" by love. I know the law is contained in love, therefore I will never deliberately break a law, for breaking the law is sin. So I am content, joyous even, to watch that I do not break the law, however if I do, Iw walk in the freedom of the grace given by Jesus Christ with no fear of the curse of the law which was destroyed by our Lord for us.

You continually tell those who know this that they are trying to earn salvation, and this my friend is either out of ignorance ora straightforward lie, and it should not be.

It is painful to hear people accusing brethren of attempting to earn Salvation by obeying God, and it is not to be done.

You continually talk about missing points or not understanding pints. I tell you all of thes points are written for all to learn in Jesus Chrsit, hbowever if they continue with the veil of Moses, they will not understand that the law is good provided it is used lawfully, and the law isnowfilled with grace and mercy for those without that veil blinding them to the tenderness of the love of serving and obeying God.

Do not teach GTRACE ONLY as some kind of excuse to be deliberately disobedient to our loving Father and Savior, for this is not the Way6.. Grace cannot stay on anyone who is deliberately disobedient. Praise God, and obey Him, amen

Not sure what you point is either Jaume....Christ said He came to fulfill the law...all of it or none of it...so those who don't keep all the law are guilty of it all! And the fact remains that every commandment of God is fulfilled in one word...love.
 
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Please hear this. If one whishes to jusstify himself by the law, he must obey all of the law implicity.

When the Holy Spirit enters us, our desire is to pleas God because of the love that comes with Him. You have already stated all of the law is "performed" by love. I know the law is contained in love, therefore I will never deliberately break a law, for breaking the law is sin. So I am content, joyous even, to watch that I do not break the law, however if I do, Iw walk in the freedom of the grace given by Jesus Christ with no fear of the curse of the law which was destroyed by our Lord for us.

You continually tell those who know this that they are trying to earn salvation, and this my friend is either out of ignorance ora straightforward lie, and it should not be.

It is painful to hear people accusing brethren of attempting to earn Salvation by obeying God, and it is not to be done.

You continually talk about missing points or not understanding pints. I tell you all of thes points are written for all to learn in Jesus Chrsit, hbowever if they continue with the veil of Moses, they will not understand that the law is good provided it is used lawfully, and the law isnowfilled with grace and mercy for those without that veil blinding them to the tenderness of the love of serving and obeying God.

Do not teach GTRACE ONLY as some kind of excuse to be deliberately disobedient to our loving Father and Savior, for this is not the Way6.. Grace cannot stay on anyone who is deliberately disobedient. Praise God, and obey Him, amen
What part of fulfilling the law in love sounds like deliberate disobedience to you? The fact is that love not legalism is obedience and to teach legalism is to teach disobedience.
 

JaumeJ

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You do know that Jesus Christt's fulfilling the law is further elaborated upone when we are taught by the Word that it is the curse of the law that was destroyed on the Cross with our Lord's holy sacrifice for us all? Fulfilled means here to have completed the law (forus all). He also completed it on the Cross in that He obeyed all of the law (for us) right to HIs wonderful act of expeiation for us all of sin.

There is much more to my post than this to which you have commented, uinsatisfactorily. It would be good, even refreshing if you would reply to the entire post to which you are responding,. This is only a common courtesy.

Meanwhil look at all of the translations of the Word which I have already posted in this threas, but you canlook them up for yourself.



Please hear this. If one whishes to jusstify himself by the law, he must obey all of the law implicity.

When the Holy Spirit enters us, our desire is to pleas God because of the love that comes with Him. You have already stated all of the law is "performed" by love. I know the law is contained in love, therefore I will never deliberately break a law, for breaking the law is sin. So I am content, joyous even, to watch that I do not break the law, however if I do, Iw walk in the freedom of the grace given by Jesus Christ with no fear of the curse of the law which was destroyed by our Lord for us.

You continually tell those who know this that they are trying to earn salvation, and this my friend is either out of ignorance ora straightforward lie, and it should not be.

It is painful to hear people accusing brethren of attempting to earn Salvation by obeying God, and it is not to be done.

You continually talk about missing points or not understanding pints. I tell you all of thes points are written for all to learn in Jesus Chrsit, hbowever if they continue with the veil of Moses, they will not understand that the law is good provided it is used lawfully, and the law isnowfilled with grace and mercy for those without that veil blinding them to the tenderness of the love of serving and obeying God.

Do not teach GTRACE ONLY as some kind of excuse to be deliberately disobedient to our loving Father and Savior, for this is not the Way6.. Grace cannot stay on anyone who is deliberately disobedient. Praise God, and obey Him, amen
What part of fulfilling the law in love sounds like deliberate disobedience to you? The fact is that love not legalism is obedience and to teach legalism is to teach disobedience.
 
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You do know that Jesus Christt's fulfilling the law is further elaborated upone when we are taught by the Word that it is the curse of the law that was destroyed on the Cross with our Lord's holy sacrifice for us all? Fulfilled means here to have completed the law (forus all). He also completed it on the Cross in that He obeyed all of the law (for us) right to HIs wonderful act of expeiation for us all of sin.

There is much more to my post than this to which you have commented, uinsatisfactorily. It would be good, even refreshing if you would reply to the entire post to which you are responding,. This is only a common courtesy.

Meanwhil look at all of the translations of the Word which I have already posted in this threas, but you canlook them up for yourself.
Friend the New Testament was written in Greek and there is no debate about that... our friend Hiz is using a false translation based upon a denial that the Greek text are the source of our truth. Its a perversion that all true believers should condemn and shame those who would shame Gods word in this manner .
 

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The fact is that the translation he uses is clearly a false translation and changes the Word of God....I guess you guys love Gods word about as much as you love his law? Its all just religious talk, you guys don't seem to have any honor for God, His Word or His law?
Of course it is a false translation, it has not been vetted by Mitspa.