Do You Think Fear Of Going To hell make some people want to follow god?

[dcontroversal]

In the 1970's the Baptists actively engaged in Scare tactic Salvation. Many of those past leaders now state they know many of the "conversions" were not real.

The Fear of the Lord is not showing someone a movie about hell and then bullying them into making a choice. I saw that happen all the time as a kid, with churhc movie nights and running movies like "THe Burning Hell" by Estus W. Pirkle, The Thief in the Night series, etc

The Job of conviction is the Holy Ghost and he does not require our help in who he chooses to convict. If the man of God behind the pulpit has true anointing and preaches the true Gospel, the Holy Ghost will convict.

We do need to restate the simple message of a heaven to gain and a hell to shun though and then let the Holy Ghost do his job.

I agree that is why I said...

It is biblical for God to use destruction.In Psalm 90:3 states, "Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men." and Proverbs 1:7 states, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

I totally agree with you and am against the (programs) that you typed about above.

 

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Hi there,
Interesting posts, but surely the wrath to come is sufficient in itself to instil fear into the heart, without having the traditional concept of hell as well?! Hell is a middle English word which means 'to hide away', and is used of gravedom. It has been distorted by time and myth into the horror that it is. It is used to translate three Hebrew words, and one Greek, and only one of those has reference to fire, and that is the Greek word 'Gehenna', which is used by our Lord Himself, and refers to the destruction which will take place at the time of judgement.


* The gospel of God warns of ‘wrath’ not ‘hell’.


‘For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:
as it is written, "The just shall live by faith".
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who hold the truth in unrighteousness; ...’(Rom 1:16-18)

* We are saved from wrath - Praise God!
(Not eternal conscious punishment)


Within the love of Christ our Saviour
Chris

 

[IntoTheVoid]

I also get threatened with hell and eternal torture when people realise I'm an atheist and as Cycel pointed out, I have no fear of this hell either.

I've always been annoyed at that tactic because basically all it is is a threat.

 

[jag1977]

A lot of awesome post! Here is my post....God is like a tree. Great and mighty. New to me. When I encounter this tree I can choose to do several things....pass it by, rest under its shade, live in its branches, look at it from a far, eat it's fruit, talk to it, draw pictures of it, water it, worship it, do many other things, do many things I listed, cut it down, plant another, stay with this tree's nourishment for fear of never having another, use it for firewood, sell these things to others, compare it to the trees others have found, tell people the fruit I have is the only one that is truly healthy and others bring death....etc. Have I found the first tree? Are others evil because they find the same thing I have of my tree as they have of their's? One man's love for his tree is no more evil than another's love of their tree. Then you are sold on forest or bushes or whatever. When you come back to your tree that bond is gone because you have a different understanding. Does the tree condemn you? Not quite....the abundance of life that came from you as a result of knowing only the tree has dried up and must now be found in a more advanced understanding elsewhere. Spiritual evolution has occurred.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

I agree that is why I said...

It is biblical for God to use destruction.In Psalm 90:3 states, "Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men." and Proverbs 1:7 states, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

I totally agree with you and am against the (programs) that you typed about above.

destruction does not mean torture
It means destruction


Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha,
and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication,
and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

we say: destroyed forever

fear mongerers in it for the money say"

continued burning forever

well, go over there.
sodom and gomorrha are not burning
even though the cities suffered
"eternal destruction"
they are not burning

they are

eternally destroyed

same with the wicked
burned up
eternally destroyed

God is not a sadist pervert to torture forever.

 

[CWJ]

I also get threatened with hell and eternal torture when people realise I'm an atheist and as Cycel pointed out, I have no fear of this hell either.

I've always been annoyed at that tactic because basically all it is is a threat.

Hi 'into the void',

Perfect love casts out fear and God's love, expressed in the sacrifice of His only Son - to take away our guilt, that He may declare us - 'not guilty' - is Perfect Love!

Praise His Name!

Chris

 

[CWJ]

destruction does not mean torture
It means destruction


Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha,
and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication,
and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

we say: destroyed forever

fear mongerers in it for the money say"

continued burning forever

well, go over there.
sodom and gomorrha are not burning
even though the cities suffered
"eternal destruction"
they are not burning

they are

eternally destroyed

same with the wicked
burned up
eternally destroyed

God is not a sadist pervert to torture forever.

Yes, indeed.

 

[thecreationtutor]

do you think the fear of hell make people want to follow god rules ? what if there was no hell do you think most of the population would actually listen ?

is it right for someone who kinda do not believe in god but there is a "if" that if god is real they feel and fear of going to hell so they try to believe and follow god " just in case" will god accept that ? or is it wrong?

the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom - Fear is a great motivator sometimes - just because some people say they are Christian, doesn't mean they are - and the just in case people will be hearing from Jesus - Depart from me you workers of iniquity

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Hi 'into the void',

Perfect love casts out fear and God's love, expressed in the sacrifice of His only Son - to take away our guilt, that He may declare us - 'not guilty' - is Perfect Love!

Praise His Name!

Chris

What guilt? And What sacrifice? The man was waking around fine again a few days later and then went up to glorious heaven!

That is NOT a sacrifice, far from it.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Are you familiar with the song lyric, "I know there ain't no heaven, but I pray there ain't no hell"? It is that fear of Hell, which is so hard to shake, that brings some atheists back to belief in God. Fear of God is a more powerful force than love of God.

I should point out that many atheists have completely gotten over their fear of Hell. Once that fear is gone then making threats of hellfire becomes a fruitless endeavour on the part of believers wishing to convert atheists. Christians wishing to use this tactic would do well to determine whether their prospective atheist convert has any latent fear remaining.

Hi Cycel
I would say that in the world the fear of GODs wrath would be frightning,but i don't believe preaching a GOD is going to get you type preaching is what a preacher should preach,but i do think that kind of preaching has its place, if it keeps a person that might be on the verge of atheism from becoming a full blown athiest....

but in the faith,i believe that the love of GOD is certainly a stronger force than being afraid of GODs wrath(i mean serving GOD out of fear)that wouldn't be in truth and would be will-power(a works based mentality)

I should point out that many atheists have completely gotten over their fear of Hell. Once that fear is gone then making threats of hellfire becomes a fruitless endeavour on the part of believers wishing to convert atheists.

I see

That statement right there is very scary......I would hate to think there is no hope.....I guess if an athiest don't know then they are innocent by reason of ignorance(not knowing),but if they know and just reject it no matter what,then there is no hope.... sounds like you are saying that atheist that have become like that, have become reprobated.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Hi Cycel
I would say that in the world the fear of GODs wrath would be frightning,but i don't believe preaching a GOD is going to get you type preaching is what a preacher should preach,but i do think that kind of preaching has its place, if it keeps a person that might be on the verge of atheism from becoming a full blown athiest....

but in the faith,i believe that the love of GOD is certainly a stronger force than being afraid of GODs wrath(i mean serving GOD out of fear)that wouldn't be in truth and would be will-power(a works based mentality)



I see

That statement right there is very scary......I would hate to think there is no hope.....I guess if an athiest don't know then they are innocent by reason of ignorance(not knowing),but if they know and just reject it no matter what,then there is no hope.... sounds like you are saying that atheist that have become like that, have become reprobated.

So you think it's fine to basically threaten someone with hell and eternal torture if their faith starts to diminish?

What do you mean life without hope? I have a fantastic life and I appreciate it all the more knowing it's the only one I will ever have. I appreciate my life and I appreciate the beauty of the world.

As the quote says, I can still appreciate how beautiful the garden is even without believing that fairies live at the bottom of it.

And believe it or not my life is not a endless succession of 'Sin' and immorality.

 

[starfield]

I would hate to think there is no hope.....I guess if an athiest don't know then they are innocent by reason of ignorance(not knowing),but if they know and just reject it no matter what,then there is no hope....

Since the foundation of the world God has revealed Himself in creation which is evidence of His existence, and one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit is to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment thus no one has an excuse.

...sounds like you are saying that atheist that have become like that, have become reprobated.

Yes, atheists are reprobates just like every other unbeliever who suppress the truth by their wickedness.

 

[CWJ]

Perfect love casts out fear and God's love, expressed in the sacrifice of His only Son - to take away our guilt, that He may declare us - 'not guilty' - is Perfect Love!

Praise His Name!

Chris

What guilt? And What sacrifice? The man was waking around fine again a few days later and then went up to glorious heaven!

That is NOT a sacrifice, far from it.

Hello there 'into the void',

I am glad to see that you believe in the resurrection and the ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ.

In the name of Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.

Chris

 

[IntoTheVoid]

No I don't my friend. I just don't understand how it was a 'sacrifice'