Doctrine of Demons

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damombomb

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DF can you do study on the 7 churches in rev? If led.
Thank you!
 
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DF how good were you today?

Where you HOLY?

You will tell us when you are Holy wont you so we can call you a Holy man who has become Holy coz of stuff that YOU did.

Tell us when your performance levels reach those of the Lord Jesus.
 
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"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons," 1 Timothy 4:1

DEMONS AND DOCTRINES OF DEMONS:
the [first five] mine the rest are taken from HERE in its entirety Link --> Top 50 Doctrines of Demons Truth In Scripture
NAR/Dominionism/Kingdom Now theology

Tounges saves you

You cant be Holy, and you cant even stop sinning

You will be a glorified God on earth

You Don't Have to fear the LORD





Christians are not supposed to be judging

Faith means simply believing Jesus is saviour

God is only love, and loves ALL

Grace is Blanket Forgiveness for all sin, past present future

The Teaching of Obedeience being WORKS

Salvation is a ONE TIME event not a journey

The Gift of eternal life has no conditions attached to it

Once saved always saved

The gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased

The nation of Israel is God’s Israel

God does not speak to us today

We are commanded to go to church

Universalism: God will save all He created

We will all be raptured away before tribulation comes

The Bible must only be interpreted literally

Jesus finished all the works, we have nothing to do

Jesus is not God


Christians cannot have demons

God hear all your prayers


We must keep the Sabbath to be saved


The Bible is or is not the Word of God


We are Born Again the moment we come to faith


Jesus will come to establish a kingdom and rule on this earth for 1,000 years


All good issues and topics and I generally agree with all. The Six cited above need further
clarification, even more than in the summary statements issued in the original posts, but
I generally agree. Most of it is terminology, but like Cessationism, the terminology is the
key, as you see with Zone's misunderstanding (kind) or misinterpretation (true) or
misuse (real) of the idea of 'perfect' and the application of the quenching of the Holy Spirit
by denial of the power of the word of God to the point of interference - A REAL DEMON
there.

I checked the web site these came from, listened to the man's testimony, but could not
find a Doctrinal Statement. I also don't see an affirmative approach to scripture - the
man is understandably (and not incorrectly) responding to his frame of reference, and
has a good testimony and valid response. To reach the Churchians we need an
affirmative response as well - to teach and edify with sound doctrinal roots.

This sort of approach to scripture (addressing demons, heresies and cults) is sadly almost
necessary today, as much of the work is the undoing of falseness of organized religion
(McRelligion and Churchianity). Thus it was with Jesus and the Apostles and Disciples in
Bible times. Sadly, so it will be a similar outcome as these evils will be destroyed barring
repentance, and many organizations, institutions and the people associated and affiliated
with them. Still, the power is in the affirmative approach to studying, understanding,
applying and sharing the teachings of Scripture/Scriptural Doctrines. So many discuss
and offer opinion on scripture, but many have never read through the Bible, don't
understand how to read the Bible, don't understand the Doctrines, and leave it to the
magic preacher, magic parking lot, magic building, magic gummit (aka gubmint, aka
government) to 'save' them.

Good stuff, press on, I bumped your REP level button



 
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Deadflesh

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DF how good were you today?

Where you HOLY?

You will tell us when you are Holy wont you so we can call you a Holy man who has become Holy coz of stuff that YOU did.

Tell us when your performance levels reach those of the Lord Jesus.

Were YOU Doc? thats ALL YOU have to worry about. YOU. Are YOU pleasing to Jesus? Jesus bless you.
 

zone

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Most of it is terminology, but like Cessationism, the terminology is the
key, as you see with Zone's misunderstanding (kind) or misinterpretation (true) or
misuse (real) of the idea of 'perfect' and the application of the quenching of the Holy Spirit by denial of the power of the word of God to the point of interference - A REAL DEMON there.
ok DA.
i suppose we need these divisions.
to see which of us is approved.

I AM A CESSATIONIST.

i hold to the church's historic position of cessationism, the foundation laid once.
calling that marvellous work of God as from the devil may bring you guys trouble.

i'd cool it if i were you.
just a suggestion.
 

zone

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"Thy Word"--not that voice in my head--"is truth"

The following excerpt is from "Our Lord's Prayer for His People's Sanctification [ Our Lord's Prayer for His People's Sanctification ]", preached on Sunday Morning, 7 March 1886 at the Metropolitan Tabernacle, London.

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"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."—John 17:17.

What is the truth? There is the point. Is the truth that which I imagine to be revealed to me by some private communication? Am I to fancy that I enjoy some special revelation, and am I to order my life by voices, dreams, and impressions?

Brethren, fall not into this common delusion. God's word to us is in Holy Scripture. All the truth that sanctifies men is in God's Word. Do not listen to those who cry, "Lo here!" and "Lo there!"

I am plucked by the sleeve almost every day by crazy persons and pretenders who have revelations. One man tells me that God has sent a message to me by him; and I reply, "No, sir, the Lord knows where I dwell, and he is so near to me that he would not need to send to me by you."

Another man announces in God's name a dogma which, on the face of it, is a lie against the Holy Ghost. He says the Spirit of God told him so-and-so; but we know that the Holy Ghost never contradicts himself.

If your imaginary revelation is not according to this Word, it has no weight with us; and if it is according to this Word, it is no new thing.

Brethren, this Bible is enough if the Lord does but use it, and quicken it by his Spirit in our hearts. Truth is neither your opinion, nor mine; your message, nor mine. Jesus says, "Thy word is truth." That which sanctifies men is not only truth, but it is the particular truth which is revealed in God's Word—"Thy word is truth."

What a blessing it is that all the truth that is necessary to sanctify us is revealed in the Word of God, so that we have not to expend our energies upon discovering truth, but may, to our far greater profit, use revealed truth for its divine ends and purposes! There will be no more revelations; no more are needed. The canon is fixed and complete, and he that adds to it shall have added to him the plagues that are written in this Book.

What need of more when here is enough for every practical purpose?
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

CH Spurgeon

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Were YOU Doc? thats ALL YOU have to worry about. YOU. Are YOU pleasing to Jesus? Jesus bless you.
I will NEVER be able to please Jesus through my WORKS. NEVER. My righteousness is PITIFUL compared to HIS.

DID YOU? How Holy were you today? How PIOUS???
 
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needmesomejesus

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stop giving satan and his minions so much credit; they love that.
 
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ok DA.
i suppose we need these divisions.
to see which of us is approved.

I AM A CESSATIONIST.

i hold to the church's historic position of cessationism, the foundation laid once.
calling that marvellous work of God as from the devil may bring you guys trouble.

i'd cool it if i were you.
just a suggestion.

You must mean by "The Church's Historic Position" -- the Apostate Church, say of
Stephen and Nicolas et. al. All that is finished is the work of laying the foundation -- The
apostles and Jesus, with Jesus being the Corner Stone. The DOCTRINE is finished, it is
called The NEW Testament. But the church is hardly built. It is for each believer to make
themselves, as called by the Lord, into living stones of the new Temple.

To claim that the work of the Holy Spirit has ceased is blasphemy of the holy spirit,
unforgivable. To teach that the Holy Spirit is not operative is a Heresy.


Deadflesh described it well and adequately in his earlier response. Yes. I'd cool it if I were
you ...

This is however, not a defense of a denomination or any particular event (neither Baptist
or Pentecostal, Baptism or Pentecost). It is certainly not saying that there is any new
Revelation or Doctrine. It says, the Doctrines are all now laid out and written down. The
Book is Complete ... still, it must be preached ... Do not be "Ashamed of the Gospel" for
therein, many have fallen or fallen away ...

BENJAMIN WARFIELD IS DEAD, HE RUINED PRINCETON'S REPUTATION, JUST AS CHOMSKY RUINED M.I.T'S.
 

zone

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You must mean by "The Church's Historic Position" -- the Apostate Church, say of
Stephen and Nicolas et. al. All that is finished is the work of laying the foundation -- The
apostles and Jesus, with Jesus being the Corner Stone. The DOCTRINE is finished, it is
called The NEW Testament. But the church is hardly built. It is for each believer to make
themselves, as called by the Lord, into living stones of the new Temple.

To claim that the work of the Holy Spirit has ceased is blasphemy of the holy spirit,
unforgivable. To teach that the Holy Spirit is not operative is a Heresy.

Deadflesh described it well and adequately in his earlier response. Yes. I'd cool it if I were
you ...

This is however, not a defense of a denomination or any particular event (neither Baptist
or Pentecostal, Baptism or Pentecost). It is certainly not saying that there is any new
Revelation or Doctrine. It says, the Doctrines are all now laid out and written down. The
Book is Complete ... still, it must be preached ... Do not be "Ashamed of the Gospel" for
therein, many have fallen or fallen away ...

BENJAMIN WARFIELD IS DEAD, HE RUINED PRINCETON'S REPUTATION, JUST AS CHOMSKY RUINED M.I.T'S.
and to claim i have EVER said this is ACTUALLY LYING.

To claim that the work of the Holy Spirit has ceased is blasphemy of the holy spirit,
unforgivable. To teach that the Holy Spirit is not operative is a Heresy.

so if you could produce any post where i've ever said it please do (don't bother...same game different day).

typical misrepresentation of cessationism by certain people.
that's ok. i'm used to it.


actually, i really don't know why i put up with this crap around here.
YOU WANT SIGNS AND WONDERS AND PROPHETS AND VOICES FILL YOUR BOOTS.
 
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ok DA.
i suppose we need these divisions.
to see which of us is approved.

I AM A CESSATIONIST.

i hold to the church's historic position of cessationism, the foundation laid once.
calling that marvellous work of God as from the devil may bring you guys trouble.

i'd cool it if i were you.
just a suggestion.

And saying God is dead what does that bring I'm thinking? God is the same yesterday as today.
 
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I will NEVER be able to please Jesus through my WORKS. NEVER. My righteousness is PITIFUL compared to HIS.

DID YOU? How Holy were you today? How PIOUS???


  1. Matthew 5:6
    Blessed and fortunate and happy and spiritually prosperous (in that state in which the born-again child of God enjoys His favor and salvation) are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness (uprightness and right standing with God), for they shall be completely satisfied!
    Matthew 5:5-7 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
 
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You must mean by "The Church's Historic Position" -- the Apostate Church, say of
Stephen and Nicolas et. al. All that is finished is the work of laying the foundation -- The
apostles and Jesus, with Jesus being the Corner Stone. The DOCTRINE is finished, it is
called The NEW Testament. But the church is hardly built. It is for each believer to make
themselves, as called by the Lord, into living stones of the new Temple.

To claim that the work of the Holy Spirit has ceased is blasphemy of the holy spirit,
unforgivable. To teach that the Holy Spirit is not operative is a Heresy.


Deadflesh described it well and adequately in his earlier response. Yes. I'd cool it if I were
you ...

This is however, not a defense of a denomination or any particular event (neither Baptist
or Pentecostal, Baptism or Pentecost). It is certainly not saying that there is any new
Revelation or Doctrine. It says, the Doctrines are all now laid out and written down. The
Book is Complete ... still, it must be preached ... Do not be "Ashamed of the Gospel" for
therein, many have fallen or fallen away ...

BENJAMIN WARFIELD IS DEAD, HE RUINED PRINCETON'S REPUTATION, JUST AS CHOMSKY RUINED M.I.T'S.


Preach it!...................
 
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and to claim i have EVER said this is ACTUALLY LYING.

To claim that the work of the Holy Spirit has ceased is blasphemy of the holy spirit,
unforgivable. To teach that the Holy Spirit is not operative is a Heresy.

so if you could produce any post where i've ever said it please do (don't bother...same game different day).

typical misrepresentation of cessationism by certain people.
that's ok. i'm used to it.


actually, i really don't know why i put up with this crap around here.
YOU WANT SIGNS AND WONDERS AND PROPHETS AND VOICES FILL YOUR BOOTS.

Definition for cessationism:

In Christian theology, Cessationism is the view that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced early on in Church history.


That's the same as saying God is dead.
 

zone

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Definition for cessationism:

In Christian theology, Cessationism is the view that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced early on in Church history.


That's the same as saying God is dead.
you've probably never heard of a man called Charles Spurgeon.
he was a preacher most Christians admire.

he said:

There will be no more revelations; no more are needed. The canon is fixed and complete, and he that adds to it shall have added to him the plagues that are written in this Book.

i did not know Spurgeon was actually a blasphemer who said God was dead.

i'll be sure to let everyone know that Linda believes Spurgeon actually believed God was dead.

if you have trouble reading the following short post, Linda.... get an interpreter.
or just ignore it like you generally do.

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."—John 17:17.

What is the truth? There is the point. Is the truth that which I imagine to be revealed to me by some private communication? Am I to fancy that I enjoy some special revelation, and am I to order my life by voices, dreams, and impressions?

Brethren, fall not into this common delusion. God's word to us is in Holy Scripture. All the truth that sanctifies men is in God's Word. Do not listen to those who cry, "Lo here!" and "Lo there!"

I am plucked by the sleeve almost every day by crazy persons and pretenders who have revelations. One man tells me that God has sent a message to me by him; and I reply, "No, sir, the Lord knows where I dwell, and he is so near to me that he would not need to send to me by you."

Another man announces in God's name a dogma which, on the face of it, is a lie against the Holy Ghost. He says the Spirit of God told him so-and-so; but we know that the Holy Ghost never contradicts himself.

If your imaginary revelation is not according to this Word, it has no weight with us; and if it is according to this Word, it is no new thing.

Brethren, this Bible is enough if the Lord does but use it, and quicken it by his Spirit in our hearts. Truth is neither your opinion, nor mine; your message, nor mine. Jesus says, "Thy word is truth." That which sanctifies men is not only truth, but it is the particular truth which is revealed in God's Word—"Thy word is truth."

What a blessing it is that all the truth that is necessary to sanctify us is revealed in the Word of God, so that we have not to expend our energies upon discovering truth, but may, to our far greater profit, use revealed truth for its divine ends and purposes! There will be no more revelations; no more are needed. The canon is fixed and complete, and he that adds to it shall have added to him the plagues that are written in this Book.

What need of more when here is enough for every practical purpose?
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

CH Spurgeon
 

zone

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And saying God is dead what does that bring I'm thinking? God is the same yesterday as today.
i suppose you think this is a clever way to get your point across?

probably more likely is that this is as much as you are are to process.
i know you don't like to actually use your reason or intellect much.
so i'll leave you to your world of superstition, ignorance and and witchcraft.
 
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you've probably never heard of a man called Charles Spurgeon.
he was a preacher most Christians admire.

he said:

There will be no more revelations; no more are needed. The canon is fixed and complete, and he that adds to it shall have added to him the plagues that are written in this Book.

i did not know Spurgeon was actually a blasphemer who said God was dead.

i'll be sure to let everyone know that Linda believes Spurgeon actually believed God was dead.

if you have trouble reading the following short post, Linda.... get an interpreter.
or just ignore it like you generally do.


Your right zone I normally do ignore you. You are anti God.

  1. 1 Corinthians 2:14
    But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
    1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 2 (Whole Chapter)


 
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Abiding

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Your right zone I normally do ignore you. You are anti God.

  1. 1 Corinthians 2:14
    But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
    1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 2 (Whole Chapter)



If the gifts were still present, your demonology doctrines would still be against the word
and a shame to most believers who honor God. So your stand on the belief that there was
no ceasing of the gifts just wont help you.
 
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Deadflesh

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I will NEVER be able to please Jesus through my WORKS. NEVER. My righteousness is PITIFUL compared to HIS.

DID YOU? How Holy were you today? How PIOUS???

Colossians 1:9-12
For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; That you might walk worthy of the Lord to all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, to all patience and long-suffering with joyfulness; Giving thanks to the Father, which has made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

2 Corinthians 5:9
Wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.

Ephesians 5:8-10
"For you were sometimes darkness, but now are you light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth) Proving what is acceptable(pleasing) to the Lord.

1 thesalonians 2:12
That you would walk worthy of God, who has called you to his kingdom and glory.

the HOLY SPIRIT bears righteousness, so if you are NOT righteous and beccoming MORE rightoeus then SEARCH YOUR HEART in humiltiy on your knees before the Almighty. YOUR OLD MAN MUST DIE. So if the flesh still lives, if there are still strongholds in you, then there are problems, and you will NOT have the walk of Holyness that GOD desires for you. A Walk Worthy of GOD.

SO, its YOUR priority to MAKE SURE you are ALWAYS pleasing to GOD. THAT is FEAR of the LORD(which is only the BEGINING of wisdom). ANY gospel that leaves OUT the FEAR of the LORD is a false Gospel.

MAKE SURE YOU ARE PLEASING TO HIM you will have no one to blame but SELF.
 
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i suppose you think this is a clever way to get your point across?

probably more likely is that this is as much as you are are to process.
i know you don't like to actually use your reason or intellect much.
so i'll leave you to your world of superstition, ignorance and and witchcraft.

You are anti God. Your ignorance shows all the time in your talking of my God being dead. You are lost and need to beg mercy from God.