Does God ever break His word to us?

[phil112]

You osas folks deny this to your death. You say once you have it, it can never be lost or taken away.

Anyone that reads my posts know that I try to read the bible every day. And this morning I came across something that, the first few times I read, it meant little to me, but this morning realized it has great merit in this topic. Neat how His word does that, huh?

So I have always said you can backslide, as the bible tells us repeatedly, yet some deny, and have given several times my personal testimony of doing it myself, along with irrefutable evidence.
Yet some still sin daily and claim to be saved.

So tell me, does God ever break a promise?

 

[Yonah]

There is a reason why Abram did not walk between the pieces, (gen. 15) the Father knew man would never keep the covenant but He would Never break it, Isa. 55:11 not one word of His falls to the ground, EVER, as to OSAS it is understood that no power in this universe can take us out of His hand, however the scripture teaches something bit different, you see with the exception of one, our own will, He gave that to us, else how could He render righteous judgment if in fact we never really had a choice? the choice we make is to yield ourselves to Him and that everyday, not just a one time thing, (prov. 3:5-6) we cannot be inclined to do this if we have been falsely taught that all it takes is one prayer, one time a profession of faith, when in fact who we are becoming in Him is the profession of our faith, our beloved Savior said this: "straight is the way, and narrow is the gate that leads to life and few there be who find it",(Matt. 7:14) He also said: "he that endures unto the end the same shall be saved" (Mar. 13:13) our security is Him is not ourselves but we always have a choice, the Father will not drag anyone into His kingdom but rather will lead those who will follow, you see sheep are led from in front, where goats are driven from behind.....

 

[FreeNChrist]

Phil, your own testimony disproves your denial of the eternal security of the believer. You say you were saved, became a drunk and almost died, but didn’t, and came through that and are even now still saved. Believe it or not, God really is in control.

 

[Chuckt]

You osas folks deny this to your death. You say once you have it, it can never be lost or taken away.

Anyone that reads my posts know that I try to read the bible every day. And this morning I came across something that, the first few times I read, it meant little to me, but this morning realized it has great merit in this topic. Neat how His word does that, huh?

So I have always said you can backslide, as the bible tells us repeatedly, yet some deny, and have given several times my personal testimony of doing it myself, along with irrefutable evidence.
Yet some still sin daily and claim to be saved.

So tell me, does God ever break a promise?

Psaln 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

 

[phil112]

Phil, your own testimony disproves your denial of the eternal security of the believer. You say you were saved, became a drunk and almost died, but didn’t, and came through that and are even now still saved. Believe it or not, God really is in control.

smh.............Son, I backslid. Someone that drinks themself into a coma ISN'T saved.
Put it in print for me and the room to see - Do you think that I was saved the whole way through that ordeal? A simple yes or no.

 

[phil112]

Psaln 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Chuck, I'm at a loss to understand what you're saying here.

 

[FreeNChrist]

smh.............Son, I backslid. Someone that drinks themself into a coma ISN'T saved.
Put it in print for me and the room to see - Do you think that I was saved the whole way through that ordeal? A simple yes or no.

Yes.

Our lives are not hypotheticals. The reality is that you didn’t die, and that you were a Christian before any of that happened and you are still a Christian after....and you were a Christian through that whole time as well. Even at your worst Christ had never left you and it was Christ who brought you through that. Whether you are or were aware of it or not.

 

[John146]

You mean if man calls on the name of the Lord and is saved, will God break His word about that man being saved? Nope.

 

[Chuckt]

Chuck, I'm at a loss to understand what you're saying here.

Does God break His word? God cares more about His word than His name which is Psalm 132:8.
I was answering a question and not directly answering his situation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

There is a reason why Abram did not walk between the pieces, (gen. 15) the Father knew man would never keep the covenant but He would Never break it, Isa. 55:11 not one word of His falls to the ground, EVER, as to OSAS it is understood that no power in this universe can take us out of His hand, however the scripture teaches something bit different, you see with the exception of one, our own will, He gave that to us, else how could He render righteous judgment if in fact we never really had a choice? the choice we make is to yield ourselves to Him and that everyday, not just a one time thing, (prov. 3:5-6) we cannot be inclined to do this if we have been falsely taught that all it takes is one prayer, one time a profession of faith, when in fact who we are becoming in Him is the profession of our faith, our beloved Savior said this: "straight is the way, and narrow is the gate that leads to life and few there be who find it",(Matt. 7:14) He also said: "he that endures unto the end the same shall be saved" (Mar. 13:13) our security is Him is not ourselves but we always have a choice, the Father will not drag anyone into His kingdom but rather will lead those who will follow, you see sheep are led from in front, where goats are driven from behind.....

Sorry, but this is in no way factual. The evidence and the nature of blood covenants don't support this. It's pure conjecture.

Abraham cut the animals into pieces and laid them on the ground. Of course he walked between the pieces. That is the only way that blood covenants were made binding between two parties. If it had not been a blood covenant, then maybe you might have a point. But blood covenants were never unilateral. Both parties had to agree and indicate their assent by walking between the pieces (and possibly other things according to custom). Even Israel walked between the pieces when the old covenant was made at Sinai, even though it's not written in Exodus that that happened. The fact that Jeremiah mentions it centuries later indicates that this was common custom.

And I will give the men that have transgressed my covenant, which have not performed the words of the covenant which they had made before me, when they cut the calf in twain, and passed between the parts thereof, Jeremiah 34:18​

Furthermore, there were no conditions for Abraham to keep for the covenant to remain in force. The covenant was given by GOD as surety to Abram that he would indeed inherit the land (as Abram requested in Genesis 15:8).

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

smh.............Son, I backslid. Someone that drinks themself into a coma ISN'T saved.
Put it in print for me and the room to see - Do you think that I was saved the whole way through that ordeal? A simple yes or no.

I think the pertinent question to ask is if you were a member of the new covenant during that time. The word saved is so misused in Christian culture.

 

[ember]

 

[ember]

Thing is, if you actually DID loose it?

Would you know?

Would you care?

and how would you get it back?

Seems some folks here think God drops the ball an awful lot

I would not even refer to myself as OSAS because I KNOW I HAVE TO STOP SINNING

If you own and read and study a Bible, that becomes obvious

 

[Grace777x70]

Sin is destructive and it blinds our minds to what is the truth. Sin is deceitful and tricks us. . When we are "sinning" our unrenewed minds to God's truth and character gets our thought life in turmoil and we become hardened to the truth of God's truth in the grace of our Lord Jesus. The enemy uses that "sinning" to continually try to kill , steal and destroy us. And some of us die from the "sinning"...why some live and some die..is not in my understanding. I'll leave that up to the Lord and He can reveal that to us when we see Him.

The Lord's grace is much stronger then any sin....and much more abundant.

Romans 5:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Sorry, but this is in no way factual. The evidence and the nature of blood covenants don't support this. It's pure conjecture.

Abraham cut the animals into pieces and laid them on the ground. Of course he walked between the pieces. That is the only way that blood covenants were made binding between two parties. If it had not been a blood covenant, then maybe you might have a point. But blood covenants were never unilateral. Both parties had to agree and indicate their assent by walking between the pieces (and possibly other things according to custom). Even Israel walked between the pieces when the old covenant was made at Sinai, even though it's not written in Exodus that that happened. The fact that Jeremiah mentions it centuries later indicates that this was common custom.

And I will give the men that have transgressed my covenant, which have not performed the words of the covenant which they had made before me, when they cut the calf in twain, and passed between the parts thereof, Jeremiah 34:18​

Furthermore, there were no conditions for Abraham to keep for the covenant to remain in force. The covenant was given by GOD as surety to Abram that he would indeed inherit the land (as Abram requested in Genesis 15:8).

God caused Abraham to fall into a deep sleep during this blood covenant . . . As the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell on Abram.

"a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between the pieces" - Yes, custom demanded that TWO who entered into a blood covenant should walk together between the parts of the sacrifice. Abraham was put to sleep so that he could not be a participant in the covenant to which he brought nothing in the way of oblation - God alone went through the pieces represented by a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passing between the pieces.

BTW - to OP - NO!

 

[phil36]

Refering to the OP.

I think you seem to be saying that anyone who believes in OSAS (whatever you mean by that) is saying God breaks his promise? Because you believe you were at one time saved, then decided you were not, then decided you were again.

It doesn't work that way. If one says they are saved and then goes and lives like the world continually and on purpose (not someone who has just gt saved and still growing) then I would say that person was probably never 'saved' in the first place. This does not mean though that we won't have times of slips and trips etc. You also may struggle for a time.

The main thing is that first, when you are born again/saved or whatever you want to call it, you are changed by the Holy Spirit John 3:6, Eph 2:5,Titus 3:5; - it was not something you did and it was while you were still a sinner (Rom 5:8; Eph 2:1). It is not something you can lose, it was not your work. Your eyes will have been opened to the real world, reality Acts 26:18).

A christians life is one focused on the cross (the gospel -which is Christ), not on the world or sin. We are perfectly free from that burden to obey Christ and have complete joy in Him...even in bad times.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

God caused Abraham to fall into a deep sleep during this blood covenant . . . As the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell on Abram.

"a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between the pieces" - Yes, custom demanded that TWO who entered into a blood covenant should walk together between the parts of the sacrifice. Abraham was put to sleep so that he could not be a participant in the covenant to which he brought nothing in the way of oblation - God alone went through the pieces represented by a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passing between the pieces.

BTW - to OP - NO!

It's pure conjecture that Abram didn't walk between the pieces. Abram fell asleep after he had walked between the pieces, and was asleep only when GOD passed between the pieces for obvious reasons.

 

[BeyondET]

God promises surely though mankind hasn't unto God after all mankind does he still loves mankind a implausible promise from a possible God

 

[Yonah]

Sorry, but this is in no way factual. The evidence and the nature of blood covenants don't support this. It's pure conjecture.

Abraham cut the animals into pieces and laid them on the ground. Of course he walked between the pieces. That is the only way that blood covenants were made binding between two parties. If it had not been a blood covenant, then maybe you might have a point. But blood covenants were never unilateral. Both parties had to agree and indicate their assent by walking between the pieces (and possibly other things according to custom). Even Israel walked between the pieces when the old covenant was made at Sinai, even though it's not written in Exodus that that happened. The fact that Jeremiah mentions it centuries later indicates that this was common custom.

And I will give the men that have transgressed my covenant, which have not performed the words of the covenant which they had made before me, when they cut the calf in twain, and passed between the parts thereof, Jeremiah 34:18​

Furthermore, there were no conditions for Abraham to keep for the covenant to remain in force. The covenant was given by GOD as surety to Abram that he would indeed inherit the land (as Abram requested in Genesis 15:8).

you say conjecture, based on what? because its not written in the text he didn't? ok show me where its in the text he did... and if you cant you too are writing conjecture in your claim as well, by the way I didn't comment on this to get into the petty arguments many seem to like to get into, its all pride based, how about just trying to see the overall message here and not make so much effort to discredit someone elses words?

 

[Yonah]

You osas folks deny this to your death. You say once you have it, it can never be lost or taken away.

Anyone that reads my posts know that I try to read the bible every day. And this morning I came across something that, the first few times I read, it meant little to me, but this morning realized it has great merit in this topic. Neat how His word does that, huh?

So I have always said you can backslide, as the bible tells us repeatedly, yet some deny, and have given several times my personal testimony of doing it myself, along with irrefutable evidence.
Yet some still sin daily and claim to be saved.

So tell me, does God ever break a promise?

I really wish you wouldn't falsely accuse me, I never evaded anything, my comments in response to your op very clearly answered your question, to say such a thing is both baseless and accusatory ive never done anything to cause such a response, I request that you read it again then make a more informed comment about my character .. thanks