Does God Live Inside Our Observable Universe?

[Angela53510]

This explained the power of faith to me when I realized this world is just temporal, and where God lives is reality.

Doesnt take any of those three, just Holy Spirit to teach. and I know you know this.

Goodness me! This is pure Buddhism, with a sprinkling of Hinduism!

This world is not Maya, an illusion. It is not temporary, in the sense that God created the earth for us to live in for eternity. True, we ruined it, but God is going to renew it.

God is omnipresent. He does not sit on a throne somewhere in a far away heaven, the only reality. That is a folk myth. God certainly dwells in the hearts of those who love him and are called by his name. And that is on this earth, right now.

Omnipresence is one of the characteristics of God. If he is off somewhere "real" then how is he in charge of this very real world?

Some day we will be with Jesus. But, show me in the Bible, where it says that is off in some airy fairy heaven. (Oh yes, "the Kingdom of Heaven" doesn't count. It is mostly used by Matthew, because he was writing to Jews, and they did not like to write the name of God. So, it is a euphemism for the Kingdom of God. )

And the Kingdom of God arrived when Jesus died and was resurrected. So, the Kingdom of God is here on earth, which makes it totally real.

"Then He said to them, “I have fervently desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” Luke 22:15-17[FONT=&quot]


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The Hebrew verb translated “created” (""bara"") in Genesis 1:1 has as its primary definition: “bringing into existence something new, something that did not exist before.”

The proclamation that God created ("bara" something, never before, brand new) the entirety of the heavens is stated seven times in the Old Testament. (Genesis 1:1; 2:3; 2:4; Psalm 148:5; Isaiah 40:26; 42:5; 45:18).

A few verses that seemingly suggest God lives outside of our universe

The Bible speaks of 3 different heavens.

Two are in our universe. Another is where God dwells.

Genesis 1:1 says that God created "the heavens" .

The 1st heaven is the atmosphere around the earth. Where birds & planes fly.

The 2nd heaven is moon, stars, galaxies etc.

The 3rd heaven is where Gods throne is. And exists outside of our observable universe.

2 Cor 2:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to """the third heaven""".

Deut 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

2 Chronicles 6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!

Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above the heavens, that he might fill all things

Psalms 24:7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

Jacob's Ladder leads to a Gate that opens the door to the 3rd heaven. Gen 28:11-13 16-18

One day soon, God will again, open that gate. And we will see:

Revelation 4:1 (A) After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven:

Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, ""the new (Heavenly) Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God"", all arrayed like a bride beautified and adorned for her husband;

So, seriously? You think God is NOT here?

I like him being here. He answers my questions. He soothes me when I need it. He shames me when I need it. He guides me or drags me, depending on how I'm acting. He shows me some really cool things, even when I wasn't particularly thinking of it. He's always here for me. I like it.

 

[FlyingDove]

So, seriously? You think God is NOT here?

I like him being here. He answers my questions. He soothes me when I need it. He shames me when I need it. He guides me or drags me, depending on how I'm acting. He shows me some really cool things, even when I wasn't particularly thinking of it. He's always here for me. I like it.

The post that began this exchange clearly states the following:

Scriptures make it clear, He does have the ability to operate inside it. There was no TIME or MATTER when He gave the command "LIGHT BE".

My next reply spoke to where he lives:

The 3rd heaven is where Gods throne is. And exists outside of our observable universe.

2 Cor 2:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to """the third heaven""".

Deut 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

2 Chronicles 6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!

 

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The post that began this exchange clearly states the following:

Scriptures make it clear, He does have the ability to operate inside it. There was no TIME or MATTER when He gave the command "LIGHT BE".

My next reply spoke to where he lives:

The 3rd heaven is where Gods throne is. And exists outside of our observable universe.

2 Cor 2:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to """the third heaven""".

Deut 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

2 Chronicles 6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!

This might be a case of two ships passing through the night.

I'm a very practical person. I can deal with just about any subject that has practical applications. (IMHO computer coding is not practical. It's inventing a language and then demanding people talk in that language. This is my humble opinion due entirely to the problem I do NOT get computer programming, so it is better to blame coding than to blame my stupidity. Just wanted to let you know that, because I suspect much of this has to do with my stupidity. lol)

Meanwhile, I suspect you're talking philosophically/ethereally, where it has little to do with practical purpose. In which case, just let me know that, and I can put blame right where it belongs -- my stupidity for not understanding that.

BUT, practically speaking, I'm still stuck on the word "live." May I assume you have a home where you live? Do you stop living when you leave your home?

Because this is where I'm stuck. God does have home. But he doesn't stop living just because he has one.

And, yeah, truth is understood here. I walk out of my home, I'm no longer home, but I'm not God. He neither has to walk, nor leave, because he's everywhere, and yet, just because he is dwelling on his thrown does not mean he isn't here too.

Soooo, three questions:
1. Did I just understand what we're talking about better?
2. Do you agree with what I said? Are we on the same page even if we got there from different directions?
3. Did I miss something of what you've been trying to say all along anyway? And, if I did, can you try saying it in a different way?

This practical person has trouble understanding the whole concept that God is both outside and inside of time, space and matter. I believe it. I just can't understand it fully, and since there are no practical concept I can get from it, I don't spend too much time with it. BUT you sound like you think there is some practical reason to understand this better, and I'm not getting it.