does it matter what how we live as believers?

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jasonj

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paul speaking to the Galatian church so I would assume he is speaking to believers says this

galatians 5:19-21" The acts of the sinful nature are obvious : sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery, idolatry and witchcraft hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissentions, factions, and envy ; drunkenness, orgies and the like. I warn you as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

this is between paul saying Live by the spirit, and you will not gratify the sinful nature.......and then he gives the fruits of the spirit after explaining very straight forward, or rather warning that to live a sinful life will keep you from the inheritance. the fruits of the spirit love, joy, peace. patience , kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control...against such things there is no law.he then says that those who belong to Christ have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."


so just from these few verses made plain in his wording, not to be negated without dismissing everything else he wrote by the spirit of God....isn't it really a very clear settlement that sin is serious business to get out of in our lives? now, as a lot of threads do, I hope not to begin the same debate. to be very clear this isn't aimed at anyone, I hope these scriptures don't make you stumble or fall or lose faith. but there are many more to be found like these I believe fully in Grace, all of it is by faith in what God has done for us, even repentance is something he gives us the strength for. but anyone who thinks ( and again I have never heard anyone on this site claim this but have in the world) anyone who thinks that its alright to go on living as sinners and claiming no condemnation, I pray would accept the many scriptures regarding what is expected of us, because of the great purchase made by God with the precious blood of Jesus Christ.

One of the things this changed, is our motivation. He suffered and died so that we can have righteousness 1ptr 2:24. romans 6. to take lightly His sacrifice and freely go on doing the things that put him on the cross, should at the least bring shame that would lead to repentance. I am ashamed of the things I used to do and take pleasure in, and I am so thankful for that shame that helps to keep me from even considering going back to who I was.

if you read on in galatians I believe ch6 it is stated " do not be deceived a man reaps what he sows he who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction and he who sows to please the spirit will reap eternal life." ( not word for word but I'm sure u know or can find it ch6 galatians. these are pretty straight forward and to me say in no meek terms that we indeed are responsible for our actions. God bless you. all this said, there is always forgiveness and also restoration when the knowledge of righteousness comes. just food for thought not arguing with anyones theology or anything, holiness needs to be talked about, because it is where we are meant to Live and have our being
 
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"so just from these few verses made plain in his wording, not to be negated without dismissing everything else he wrote by the spirit of God....isn't it really a very clear settlement that sin is serious business to get out of in our lives?"

Yeah
 
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PilgrimPassingThru said:
"so just from these few verses made plain in his wording, not to be negated without dismissing everything else he wrote by the spirit of God....isn't it really a very clear settlement that sin is serious business to get out of in our lives?"

Yeah
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thanks for the response, God bless you in all the abundant provision for all we need in Him
 
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Yes it matters. I lived the life of a prodigal son for many years. And though I always loved the Lord, I set bad examples for those in my midst. I still do actually, but at a much lesser degree. My salvation was never in jeopardy, but the fruits of my labor were not as profitable as they could have been and should have been. I'd like to have those days back; can't imagine the positive impact I could have had.
 
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thanks for the response, God bless you in all the abundant provision for all we need in Him
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God bless you back, glad you could understand something I posted, kept it short and to the point for ya.
 
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Yes it matters. I lived the life of a prodigal son for many years. And though I always loved the Lord, I set bad examples for those in my midst. I still do actually, but at a much lesser degree. My salvation was never in jeopardy, but the fruits of my labor were not as profitable as they could have been and should have been. I'd like to have those days back; can't imagine the positive impact I could have had.
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wow I can sure relate to what you said here, thank you for the response I also wish sometimes I would have gotten it a little sooner, just the quality of life that could have been and the regrets that wouldn't have been. I appreciate when someone speaks about the word as it relates to their own Life, exactly why I am here on this site. God Bless you
 
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God bless you back, glad you could understand something I posted, kept it short and to the point for ya.
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haha yeah last time I wasn't on my best brain pattern, lack of sleep due to insomnia. sorry bout that God Bless you wuith a double portion, shaken and stirred :)
 
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I think the biggest stumbling block for us believers, is not to think whether good works/fruit/obedience will follow our faith, (working through the Holy Spirit), which I believe they should, but whether we rely on those good works and think that we are righteous because of our good works/fruit/obedience.

Our righteousness comes from our faith in Christs work (the cross and resurrection) and Christ's obedience and righteousness (Romans 5).

In Luke 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. Luke 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

So I think Jesus is warning us that even though works will follow our faith, not to rely on works

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (were they relying on their works???)

But that is just my opinion.
 
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ggs7 said:
I think the biggest stumbling block for us believers, is not to think whether good works/fruit/obedience will follow our faith, (working through the Holy Spirit), which I believe they should, but whether we rely on those good works and think that we are righteous because of our good works/fruit/obedience.

Our righteousness comes from our faith in Christs work (the cross and resurrection) and Christ's obedience and righteousness (Romans 5).

In Luke 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. Luke 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

So I think Jesus is warning us that even though works will follow our faith, not to rely on works

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (were they relying on their works???)

But that is just my opinion.
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The works were healing people in His' Name. Judas did that too. That's not fruit, but leaves. I never knew you, workers of iniquity:
so they might as well be a thief like Judas.
 
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The works were healing people in His' Name. Judas did that too. That's not fruit, but leaves. I never knew you, workers of iniquity:
so they might as well be a thief like Judas.
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Thanks for the reply. You state a VERY good point about Judas. I have thought about that too in the past . But in Matthew 7:22 it is mentions [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]prophesying and other many wonderful works , but doesn't mention what type of works.
[/FONT]So thats why I'm wondering whether they were relying on works??
Just a thought
 
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ggs7 said:
I think the biggest stumbling block for us believers, is not to think whether good works/fruit/obedience will follow our faith, (working through the Holy Spirit), which I believe they should, but whether we rely on those good works and think that we are righteous because of our good works/fruit/obedience.

Our righteousness comes from our faith in Christs work (the cross and resurrection) and Christ's obedience and righteousness (Romans 5).

In Luke 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. Luke 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

So I think Jesus is warning us that even though works will follow our faith, not to rely on works

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (were they relying on their works???)

But that is just my opinion.
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Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
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The gifts and calling of God are more specifically without repentance it says also

Just as here for the rebellious also

Psalm 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

Then here, showing the gifts and calling of God without repentance

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance

As it is His goodness which leads you there even as it says,

Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

Even as Paul says,

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

As His longsuffering is shown as waiting in a time when "sometime were" disobedient

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water

Even as the grace of God is for the obedience of the faith

And this is longsuffering to "us ward"

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

And for us to come to the same, even though the gifts and calling of God might be without it.
 
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coby

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Yes, just read it on Facebook. There are people going to the street to heal the sick and share the gospel in Holland, but the guy that takes those people with him now said: I need to say this.
Sure the Lord can work through you and heal people when you live together (without being married) or watch porn or smoke, but do you think it's a good testimony to the people you pray for?
So such people just live in fornication, think God doesn't care and pray for the sick and believe they're saved themselves.
 
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Utah said:
Yes it matters. I lived the life of a prodigal son for many years. And though I always loved the Lord, I set bad examples for those in my midst. I still do actually, but at a much lesser degree. My salvation was never in jeopardy, but the fruits of my labor were not as profitable as they could have been and should have been. I'd like to have those days back; can't imagine the positive impact I could have had.
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I am with ya bro.. My sin took me to the point of hopelessness, Being outside the body is no place any believer wants to be, there is no life, there is no joy, there is no "fun" (at least not the way we think"

In my case, there was always conviction of certain things I did, always a leaning to get back into the body. Always a hopelessness of those i hung out with, who really did not care about anyone.

The world can live like this and never see how lost they are.. For a child of God. it is more painfull, because we have been united with god. and it leaves a deeper whole in our hearts when we leave.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Thanks for the reply. You state a VERY good point about Judas. I have thought about that too in the past . But in Matthew 7:22 it is mentions prophesying and other many wonderful works , but doesn't mention what type of works.
So thats why I'm wondering whether they were relying on works??
Just a thought
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It is a good thought.

When confronted, they relied on their work history. Not the blood of the lamb, as their reasoning as to why they should be let into heaven.

Jesus said you works were usless, You were in sin (which we all are) and thus guilty apart from the blood.

So you were right in what you were thinking.

 
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ggs7 said:
I think the biggest stumbling block for us believers, is not to think whether good works/fruit/obedience will follow our faith, (working through the Holy Spirit), which I believe they should, but whether we rely on those good works and think that we are righteous because of our good works/fruit/obedience.

Our righteousness comes from our faith in Christs work (the cross and resurrection) and Christ's obedience and righteousness (Romans 5).

In Luke 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. Luke 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

So I think Jesus is warning us that even though works will follow our faith, not to rely on works

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (were they relying on their works???)

But that is just my opinion.
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I take those verses as they neglected the true brotherly Love that the other set of People who were welcomed had done without even knowing it. those who cast demons out, also refused to offer Love to the needy, and in that failed to Love Jesus. that is the lesson I have taken from those verses along with the rest that go together with the ones you mentioned. that's my own take. God bless you and thank you for the response
 
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Yes. We are to love and glorify God. Just that simple. We are to love Him because He first loved us.
If we would just stop and think what God did for us through His Son, and how He continues to love and care for us daily, how can we not love and glorify Him. And if you truly love Him you will dedicate your total being to trying to please Him.
 
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jasonj

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Persuaded said:
Yes. We are to love and glorify God. Just that simple. We are to love Him because He first loved us.
If we would just stop and think what God did for us through His Son, and how He continues to love and care for us daily, how can we not love and glorify Him. And if you truly love Him you will dedicate your total being to trying to please Him.
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amen to that. he totally commited even to agonizing death, to and for the Love He has for us. in that is our motivation that Love Jesus Christ. to take his grace and Love, and not return it in truth, is something I am no longer able to understand, though once, I did not understand the things I do now. As we grow in Him, we are consumned by His presence, and in Hois presence there is righteousness and peace, supernatural provision and all and every good thing comes simply by the grace He gave to and also for us. God bless you thanks for the great reply that came from your heart
 
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Whether or not we are believers, obeying the commandments makes life beautiful, and I guess you really can't obey the commandments if you aren't a believer.
 
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Whether or not we are believers, obeying the commandments makes life beautiful, and I guess you really can't obey the commandments if you aren't a believer.
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the ten commandments? just looking for clarification on the commandments. thank you for the response and God bless
 
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