Does the Bible support firearms & self-defense?

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JaumeJ

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This seems to be a crock if you ask someone who hears. The Lord, Yeshua, said this kingdom is not mine, if it were my disciples would fight for it. We are to turn the other cheek. We are not to revile when reviled. Also, understand this, Yahweh desires mercy and not sacrifice.

It is odd when I mention we are bound to always obey laws of good conduct and moral straightness, and I am told I am under the law because my heart's desire is to please the Father in obeying what He wants for each of us in good behavior, yet when these perverse and false brethren step in claiming to know much, their first defenses are the laws that are bad, the laws agains mercy and good behavior. They are the first to say and eye for an eye, tithing, and back up war and killing with their convenient adherence to the law. Brethren, pay attention, do as did our Lord, not as those who feign love from one side of the mouth while spouting and teaching hatred from that other. A fountain should not yeild both sweet and brackish water.

If the law does not fit into the two great laws, know it must be one of the bad laws not to be followed..............simple, follow Yeshua's Example.
 
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Anonimous

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Just a though here as I have talked with other people about this issue. I am neither pro-gun or against it. I think this is a matter of conscious. Now, if someone were breaking into your home with the intent to harm your family I believe the use of a weapon is completely justified. Now, let's jump ahead into the possibly near future and imagine this situation. Suddenly Christianity and proclaiming your faith in Jesus has been outlawed and has been at first punishable. Later, it has gotten to the point where it will NOT be tolerated any longer and enforce it Christians are jailed or killed for their faith. If you were accosted and arrested on the street for being a witness and a believer would you resist arrest...probably. But, when (Not if...) it gets to the point where persecution is accepted and permissible would you kill those who are appointed to round you up? Think about it. What type of testimony would that be for Jesus if you were to kill someone? Would that make for a good testimony of the faith that you have proclaimed when everything was well? Jesus said that this very thing would and will happen. But, we are to use this as an opportunity to proclaim Him. Just something to think about and remember for later on.
 
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Considering the signs of the times...

...Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city...

Wouldn't it be better if you were not forced into a position where you had to make THE CHOICE...

To take a life or not to take a life...is that (really) the question?

To my recollection, Christ, nor the Apostles, never took a human life or defended themselves against harm, however, you also have the "FLEE" concept thrown into the equation.


Remember, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of obscure!

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Love and peace to you all,

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nathan3

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Re: Considering the signs of the times...

...Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city...

Wouldn't it be better if you were not forced into a position where you had to make THE CHOICE...
You'll be forced if some one attacks you , That is what criminals do. Thats just reality. And the Apostles themselves, carried swords, because of the fact traveling those roads were dangerous .

John 18:10

King James Version (KJV)

10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
 
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haz

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It is odd when I mention we are bound to always obey laws of good conduct and moral straightness, and I am told I am under the law because my heart's desire is to please the Father in obeying what He wants for each of us in good behavior,
I recall that people confront you about your legalism because you determine righteousness by deeds of the law.

The doctrine you follow contradicts scripture, which says our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

You cannot mix grace with works of the law, Rom 11:6.
That is being lukewarm, Rev 3;15.
Does a spring send forth from the same place sweet water (love/grace) and bitter (judgement/condemnation under the law)?
 
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haz

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Let's remember that these public debates against gun ownership are pushed onto society by the Left of politics such as Obama and the leftist dominated mainstream media. They do so for their own selfish gain, nothing more.

The mainstream media and your typical politicians have no interest in making real changes in society that makes for a healthier, caring society.
 
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danschance

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I am not sure if some one mentioned this, but Peter was carrying a sword when Jesus was arrested. I wonder what that means?
 
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Hopefully this will help. In the time of persecution or ill treatment at the hands of the enemy, we should not avenge ourselves but rather give place to wrath. For it is written: "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord" (Romans 12-19; Deuteronomy 32:35). Neither shall we take up any weapon of destruction to slay another in our own defense or in the defense of others. For it is written: "Do violence to no man." We should rather suffer wrong than to do wrong.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

The people who do not know the Lord must defend themselves.
 
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I am a Christian and a pro-2nd Amendment. As I read the Bible (OT & NT), it seems to me that the Lord directs us to defend oursevles and innocent life.

There are a lot of smart & well-studied people on here. I would be very interested in verses that you feel support and probably more importantly speak against Christians owning tools (weapons, guns, whatever) to defend themselves and the lives God has entrusted to our care.

Please challenge my thinking!!!

Thanks much
Rob

As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another Proverbs 27:17​
What could possibly be wrong with protecting the people you care about?
 

Crustyone

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I am not sure if some one mentioned this, but Peter was carrying a sword when Jesus was arrested. I wonder what that means?

A sword can be used for many things. After a storm, pathways might be blocked by tree branches and even trees and a sword could be used as an ax. They might also have used them to protect against animals of various kinds. Their world was not as safe as ours.
 
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First, I challenge you to actually backup your "thinking" with scripture. You said, "it seems to me.." show me the Bible verse/s that makes you think Jesus Christ would be pro guns.

HINT: Jesus was probably the least violent person who ever lived, and he is to be our example. This world will pass away soon. You cannot live forever by toting a gun.


As for me. I'm not into guns at all. I grew up in South Arkansas and Texas, so I'm definitely in the minority. A lot of the people I know who are into guns, just sound really insecure to me (as do you and your "defend" idea). They say things like, "what will you do if this, or that happens???" I laugh at this. They speak as if, when someone pulls a gun on them, it will be slow-motion like a movie, and the hapless bad guy will just sit there as they reach down, grab their gun, and bring it up to "save the day."

A.) In actuality, most all humans would go into shock if a gun was pointed at them unless they had daily training in that type of situation.
B.) If someone has a gun pointed at you, you're not going to suddenly turn into Rambo, and if you try, you'll get a bullet in your head.
C.) The "guns for defense" sounds like a fear-based mindset to me. I don't understand how people see it differently.
D.) "Guns don't kill people; people kill people" is one of the dumbest quotes I've ever heard in my life. To that I say, "Guns don't pull triggers; People do." Guns also don't premeditate. People do, and guns give them an INSANE amount of power. Hence the insecure kids who wanna carry them around and act hard and play like they're "defending" something.
E.) My stepdad is lucky to have the use of his arm. He and another kid were playing with guns, and he got his arm blown off. It was hanging by a thread. Dr. wanted to amputate. Luckily, his mom protested, and it healed. Accidents with guns are impossible when guns are absent.
F.) Along the same lines as E., It's like giving condoms to kids instead of teaching abstinence. There's nothing to say. That's just dumb. Abstinence works 100%. Condoms don't. Fail.
G.) If people couldn't have guns, those kids at Sandy Hook most likely wouldn't be dead. Those innocent people in that Colorado movie theatre probably wouldn't be dead.

I say, nut up and lose the guns. Guys who talk about "defending this or that" because it "seems" this or that way, sound like trigger-happy, wanna-be heroes. No disrespect, just sayin. God didn't "entrust" you to play superhero like a video game. He trusted you to love people. Quit thinking about things that kill people, and spend you time trying to figure out how to love people better.

Matthew 5:38-41 - You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if anyone would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.

Matthew 6:34 - Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself.

Genesis 9:6 - Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.”

Those are a FEW verses that backup what I've said. This is a nonissue. You can have all the guns you want, but if that's what you need to feel safe, then you need more Jesus.
I have to agree with this! I know insecure people with lots of guns
 
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And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword(Matthew 26:51-52).

Jesus told the disciple that tried to defend Him in the garden to put his sword away,for they that use the sword shall perisah with the sword.

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also(Matthew 5:39).

Jesus said to resist not evil,which is physical.If someone attacks you,you are not to fight back.


Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves(Matthew 10:16).

Jesus said to be harmless as doves.


And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell(Matthew 10:28).

Jesus said do not fear them that can kill the body,but can do no more.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints(Revelation 13:7;10).

The beast kingdom will attack the saints,and God says not to fight back,for however you fight back it will come back to you,because you are acting like the world that fights over their beliefs.This is the patience and the faith of the saints to endure this.

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good(Romans 12:19-21).

God said it plainly,do not avenge yourself,but let God take care of those situations.God said precious is the death of His saints for they will be with Him.

Other than saving our skin,which we will be more zealous to fight if someone attacks someone we love,which is a tactic used by the mafia,we do not like to be called a wimp,for we might say who do you think you are,I will show you who is the toughest around here,but that is coming from the flesh.

It is hard to put up with people attacking you,especially if you are in to physical fitness like power lifting,or martial arts,when you feel you could take on 5 of them that are attacking you,but you have to endure it.Our flesh wants to rear it's ugly head,for we do not like being called a wimp,and we want to show them who's boss.

If someone is 350 pounds,competing in strong man competitions,and has to put up with someone that is not near his strength level,or fighting ability,that can be hard to resist not whipping his butt,and taking it,because we do not want to be a wimp in their eyes,especially if we are big and strong,and if someone attacks our family we want to fight back because we cannot stand the idea of anyone we love getting hurt,so it is hard to resist not whipping their butt,and taking it.

But God said that it is in His hands,and we are to not fight back if we,or anyone we love gets attacked.God can handle the situation by touching the person's heart to leave off fighting against you,and nothing can happen unless God allows it,that is why God said do not rebel against government,because they can only rule because God allows it to rule.

Nothing can happen unless God allows it,and they could not touch Jesus,or harm Him,until the time came,so if God does not want you to be harmed,it will not happen,and if it does,there has to be a reason.

If someone is being hypocritical in their walk with God,they might not get the protection they need.If someone is presecuted for the name Jesus,then it is a testimony that the person will not deny Christ.If someone is living for God rightly,and attacked and die,they are then with the Lord.God will not let anybody harm you unless there is a reason,for God wants you to labor for the kingdom of God,and He does not want anybody to interfere with that,especially if you are making a big difference.

As far as owning a gun,you can own one for hunting,for what's the difference between a bow and gun when hunting for food,and a gun would be more humane,for there is not as much suffering,if any.