Does the WILL OF GOD, trump, even His own 10 Commandments???

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king907

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Reading the Book of Exodus, we read about Moses, freeing the Israelite's from Egypt. The 10 Commandments was made, and they wandered the Dessert for 40yrs. Now, God promised His people the Promise land, which was Canaan. In order to take this land, the Israelite's killed the people of Canaan. But the 10 Commandments was made already, and one of the Commandments is, "Thou Shall Not KiLL" So my question, does the Will of God trumps even His own laws? This would be something our Atheist friends would use against us, and many non-believers. So, please share what your thoughts, and scriptures that you would like to share on this topic.

Thank You and God Bless
 

OneFaith

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Reading the Book of Exodus, we read about Moses, freeing the Israelite's from Egypt. The 10 Commandments was made, and they wandered the Dessert for 40yrs. Now, God promised His people the Promise land, which was Canaan. In order to take this land, the Israelite's killed the people of Canaan. But the 10 Commandments was made already, and one of the Commandments is, "Thou Shall Not KiLL" So my question, does the Will of God trumps even His own laws? This would be something our Atheist friends would use against us, and many non-believers. So, please share what your thoughts, and scriptures that you would like to share on this topic.

Thank You and God Bless


It’s a mistranslation. It should say “Thou shalt not murder.” Murder is taking human life without God’s permission. Killing is taking life on God’s behalf. He set up police, judges, and armies, and said they do not carry the sword for nothing.
 

maxwel

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Reading the Book of Exodus, we read about Moses, freeing the Israelite's from Egypt. The 10 Commandments was made, and they wandered the Dessert for 40yrs. Now, God promised His people the Promise land, which was Canaan. In order to take this land, the Israelite's killed the people of Canaan. But the 10 Commandments was made already, and one of the Commandments is, "Thou Shall Not KiLL" So my question, does the Will of God trumps even His own laws? This would be something our Atheist friends would use against us, and many non-believers. So, please share what your thoughts, and scriptures that you would like to share on this topic.

Thank You and God Bless

The easiest way to explain this for apologetics is probably to say this commandment was a prohibition for the individual,
not a prohibition for governmental authorities.

It's a matter of authority.
A government or sovereign DOES have authority to engage in war, or issue capital punishment.
But individuals do not have their own individual authority to engage in activities that end a person's life.

God certainly has authority to decide who lives or dies - he is the supreme authority.
And we find in scripture that God himself imbues human governments with authority to rule... thus we are told to obey our governments.
 
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It’s a mistranslation. It should say “Thou shalt not murder.” Murder is taking human life without God’s permission. Killing is taking life on God’s behalf. He set up police, judges, and armies, and said they do not carry the sword for nothing.
this nailed it. its exactly how it is.

it was differetn cause israel was in war
 

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Reading the Book of Exodus, we read about Moses, freeing the Israelite's from Egypt. The 10 Commandments was made, and they wandered the Dessert for 40yrs. Now, God promised His people the Promise land, which was Canaan. In order to take this land, the Israelite's killed the people of Canaan. But the 10 Commandments was made already, and one of the Commandments is, "Thou Shall Not KiLL" So my question, does the Will of God trumps even His own laws? This would be something our Atheist friends would use against us, and many non-believers. So, please share what your thoughts, and scriptures that you would like to share on this topic.

Thank You and God Bless
The Hebrews who attacked and destroyed the nations in the promised land where carrying out the wrath of God upon the people of the Land.. They where being used as executioners, carrying out a death penalty upon the peoples of Canaan..

So this was a legal judgement upon the people of Canaan under the orders and direction of the ultimate judge The LORD..

Thus this was not murder.. The Law against killing is about unlawfull killing / Murder
 
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dalconn

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Ecclesiastes 3A Time for Everything

3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:

[SUP]2 [/SUP] a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
 

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Reading the Book of Exodus, we read about Moses, freeing the Israelite's from Egypt. The 10 Commandments was made, and they wandered the Dessert for 40yrs. Now, God promised His people the Promise land, which was Canaan. In order to take this land, the Israelite's killed the people of Canaan. But the 10 Commandments was made already, and one of the Commandments is, "Thou Shall Not KiLL" So my question, does the Will of God trumps even His own laws? This would be something our Atheist friends would use against us, and many non-believers. So, please share what your thoughts, and scriptures that you would like to share on this topic.

Thank You and God Bless
The Hebrews who attacked and destroyed the nations in the promised land where carrying out the wrath of God upon the people of the Land.. They where being used as executioners, carrying out a death penalty upon the peoples of Canaan..

So this was a legal judgement upon the people of Canaan under the orders and direction of the ultimate judge The LORD..

Thus this was not murder.. The Law against killing is about unlawfull killing / Murder

Deuteronomy 9: KJV
"Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee. {4} Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee. {5} Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. {6} Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people."
 

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Reading the Book of Exodus, we read about Moses, freeing the Israelite's from Egypt. The 10 Commandments was made, and they wandered the Dessert for 40yrs. Now, God promised His people the Promise land, which was Canaan. In order to take this land, the Israelite's killed the people of Canaan. But the 10 Commandments was made already, and one of the Commandments is, "Thou Shall Not KiLL" So my question, does the Will of God trumps even His own laws? This would be something our Atheist friends would use against us, and many non-believers. So, please share what your thoughts, and scriptures that you would like to share on this topic.

Thank You and God Bless
If it was Gods Will that the Caananites be driven out a different way they would have been.

Reading history shows what Gods Will was and how it was accomplished. IF God had a problem with the Way He was doing things He would do them in a different Way.

BTW they aren't Gods Commandments they are peoples commandments. God doesn't command Himself to do or not do things.

Atheists and non-believers can deal with the Truth or not. Even some believers don't understand.
 
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atheists are pagans, and, God NEVER has any 'problems'...
 
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God is God........and he states...I am the Lord thy God I change not......!
 

king907

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In a non-believers eyes, they would say our teachings are lies. How can your God give the 10 Commandments to Moses and turn around and do thee the exact same thing, that He just Commanded not to do, in Canaan. This is a subject, that confused me for a little while. As I prayed, to better understand His ways, He revealed to me that His Will, must be done on Earth, as it is in Heaven. Most people don't understand the WiLL of God, that nothing can stop you from the mission that has be given to you from The ALmighty Himself. I learned this from another Commandment that He gave us.

(Exodus 20:12) "Honor thy Father and thy Mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee "

Now just an FYI, I love my parents, they have taught me many things, and brought me up to be a respectful, caring, and loving person. So, a little story: if Dad and Mom, told me to do something, and God is telling me to do something else, who would you listen too? The Commandments clearly states one to "Honor thy Father and thy Mother", to me this is what He revealed to me. By honoring Thy Dad and Mom, you would have to listen to God, to bring more blessings to the family, a sort of victory, because, it's God's plan always in the End. Your story, isn't told by your parents, it's made and told by God. So there, that is my answer. We may have a tough battle ahead when this subject comes tangled with us in the near future, so be ready brothers and sisters, with your answers. Let God lead the charge, and we shall find victory, in every battle.
 

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To honor your parents, does not include breaking the first commandment, to Love God, in order to Love your parents. And yes your correct The Lord told us that unless we hate our parents coming between us and God that we cant be His disciples, and this applies for any relationship becoming more important that our first Love, unless we hate it we can't be His disciples.
 
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stillness

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It’s a mistranslation. It should say “Thou shalt not murder.” Murder is taking human life without God’s permission. Killing is taking life on God’s behalf. He set up police, judges, and armies, and said they do not carry the sword for nothing.
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One good reason for mistranslation is so that people will not think they can be saved by their understanding: unless we get past our understanding we cant be saved. "Lean not on your own understanding but trust in the Lord." Eventually we need to walk away from those leaning on their understanding, as there is a place we can't help and they need to let go of themselves.
 

Johnny_B

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this nailed it. its exactly how it is.

it was differetn cause israel was in war

Amen, this does hit the bullseye. Which reminds me of the story I heard, when you would shot an arrow at the target and you missed the bullseye, they would hollar repent, so it carried the meaning that you missed the mark and you needed to changer or adjust your aim.

Repent means change your mind or you have missed the mark, the bullseye. You have to love the whole idea of the word repent, with this story behind it. :cool:
 
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Gods will is His commandments, it is an expression of His love for "us". And since we're always breaking that in one form or another, He sent His son Yeshua to the cross to remove that yoke and replace it with His yoke, thus making it easier for us to repent and obey. We are not alone in this. We have the Holy Spirit, the Spirit if God, to help us. Where sin abounds, grace is more. And the more we flee sin to the arms of the Holy Spirit, the easier it is to walk in that. We show our love for Him by obeying His word
 

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In a non-believers eyes, they would say our teachings are lies. How can your God give the 10 Commandments to Moses and turn around and do thee the exact same thing, that He just Commanded not to do, in Canaan.
As already explained, the Ten Commandments forbid murder. They do not forbid God from bringing judgment upon evildoers, since the wages of sin is death. And if you think the execution of the Canaanites was bad, think of the Flood which wiped out every living creature from of the face off the earth, and only those in Noah's Ark survived. But things are going to get even worse during the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, and the battle of Armageddon. A river of blood will flow after Christ deals with His enemies.

So the bottom line is that the holy God hates sin and evil and deals very severely with evildoers. However anyone who murders a human being is also an evildoer and merits the death penalty according to God.
 
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