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Have these things happened already?

  • All has been NOT YET been fulfilled, we await the return of Messiah

    Votes: 22 84.6%
  • All has been fulfilled, even the return of Messiah

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Heaven and earth has passed HAS NOT PASSED

    Votes: 12 46.2%
  • Heaven and earth has passed

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • All things have NOT YET been perfected

    Votes: 14 53.8%
  • All things have been perfected

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    26

Grandpa

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i would like a grace person to explain what Jesus meant in v19.
Matthew 5:48 [FONT=&quot]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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Teaching that the law says anything other than this, or anything less than this is a mistake.

Probably a pretty big one. Like a Gross Conceptual Error.

And look, its even in the same chapter, almost like a paraphrase of the whole thing.
 

KohenMatt

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Jun 28, 2013
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does anyone think Jesus may have done away with the oral law? how many times do we see Him fighting with the pharisees over their traditions which were based on oral law. just a thought.
Good observation. Jesus didn't speak against the Law as God set it up.
Jesus spoke against those who mis-applied the Law themselves.
 

miknik5

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Jun 2, 2016
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So all prostitutes go to heaven...

Stop acting like obedience is evil.

We have been given mercy, now its time to be obedient.

Acts 26:20 English Standard Version
"but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), performing deeds in keeping with their repentance."

Acts 26:20 King James Bible
"But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), and do works meet for repentance."

Acts 3:19 Parallel Verses
"Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out; that times of refreshing may come from the presence of YHWH."

New International Version
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

New Living Translation
Now repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away.

English Standard Version
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,

New American Standard Bible
"Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

(John) 5:14, Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you.

I believe what the Messiah says.

Rev 22:12 “And see, I am coming speedily, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according to his work.
Rev 22:13 “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 “But outside are the dogs and those who enchant with drugs, and those who whore, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and all who love and do falsehood.
I don't know what happened to my response and I reallly don't want to repost what I said.
I don't put bitter for sweet darkness for light evil for good. But neither will I be professing myself as righteous

thetwfoee onx again why are those who appear on the outside to be so unclean entering in before those who appear on the outside to be so clean?
 

miknik5

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Jun 2, 2016
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If you think you can then you are already showing unrighteousness
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Matthew 5:19 (KJV)
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great
James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
 
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jaybird88

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Good observation. Jesus didn't speak against the Law as God set it up.
Jesus spoke against those who mis-applied the Law themselves.
IMO we are doing the same thing today the pharisees did then. when we use our laws (doctrines) to define who is and is not a follower of Jesus.