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Magenta

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Yes! This is something I've puzzled over! One account says that.
And another account says he didn't know who He was until he saw what God said he would see.
Puzzling...
John 1:29-34
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God,who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ 31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”

32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. 33 And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me,
‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.”

John's the evangelist's testimony of John the Baptist
does not explicitly mention the baptism of Jesus.


Matthew chapter 3

11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

15 Jesus replied,
“Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said,
“This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Mark chapter 1

4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River. 6 John wore clothing made of camelʼs hair, with a leather belt around his waist, and he ate locusts and wild honey. 7 And this was his message: “After me comes the one more powerful than I, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. 8 I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

9 At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11 And a voice came from heaven:
“You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

Luke chapter 3
21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened

22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven:
“You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

We also know from Luke's gospel that John the baptist
recognized Jesus while both were still in the womb. :)

 
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Okay, I found it. John 1:31 - John says he did not recognize Him, which sounds different from the one account where he doesn't want to baptize Jesus.

As for when he said: the lamb of God, that was the day after His baptism.
Matt - John does not want to baptise Jesus, but relents. Dove descends and confirms His ministry
Mark - John baptises Jesus, Dove lands on Him as he comes out of the water
Luke - Jesus baptized, Dove descends on Him.
John - No record of John baptising Jesus, but of testifying to Him.

John's gospel is not interested in Jesus's baptism, but in John's testimony of Jesus.
Maybe the writer did not see the baptism, but did see the testimony by John of
who Jesus was and wanted to record this.
 
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Matthew 3:5-6 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

Before Christ, the people confessed their sins.

After Christ, people confess Christ.


Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance

Repentance – more than just being sorry for having done wrong. Some people who feel bad for doing wrong are more sorry that they have been found out than that they have done wrong. A truly penitent person would be sorry for having done wrong. A false penitent person would be sorry for having been caught.

The change in the truly penitent person will be revealed through the sanctification process whereby God chastens and cleanses.

The change in the false penitent person will be revealed through the person becoming more conniving/tricky so as not to get caught. This person does not submit to the chastening/cleansing by God.
 
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Yay! Magenta put it all in one place! :)
So, in the book of John it seems he is saying he did not know until the Spirit descended, which seems to be a different case than the account in which he didn't want to baptize Jesus.

And yes, I wondered about your last para here because you would assume he'd been told all of the stories from a young age about the births of both of them! Which fits with him not wanting to baptize Jesus. It is Johns account that throws me into confusion...:)
 
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Yay! Magenta put it all in one place! :)
So, in the book of John it seems he is saying he did not know until the Spirit descended, which seems to be a different case than the account in which he didn't want to baptize Jesus.

And yes, I wondered about your last para here because you would assume he'd been told all of the stories from a young age about the births of both of them! Which fits with him not wanting to baptize Jesus. It is Johns account that throws me into confusion...:)
This is all indicative of how ridiculously erroneous we can be by seizing on a particular rendition one guy in the Bible might give, compared to it in another part of the book, written by another guy.
 
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Willie, you seemed to be doing better, but now you are riproaring through threads again saying "ridiculous" and in the other thread calling people who don't understand something about His name "idiots." Are you having a bad day...?
 
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Willie, you seemed to be doing better, but now you are riproaring through threads again saying "ridiculous" and in the other thread calling people who don't understand something about His name "idiots." Are you having a bad day...?
"Ridiculous" is pretty accurate for a lot here. And are you trying to say it is not idiotic to tell someone who thinks of Jesus in a name He is known by in their language that THEY are wrong, and you are reading directly from His official birth certificate?
 
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"Ridiculous" is pretty accurate for a lot here. And are you trying to say it is not idiotic to tell someone who thinks of Jesus in a name He is known by in their language that THEY are wrong, and you are reading directly from His official birth certificate?
What I think is that I can't see my Lord in you at all right now. If you have some knowledge from God that someone else doesn't have yet, why would you call them ridiculous idiots? If it's some knowledge from the Lord, then it's a gift. Why then would you call someone who had not yet been blessed with the knowledge an idiot, as if whatever you have is not a gift?
 
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I don't know how accurate this is, but I found it to be rather interesting.[video=youtube;84xzE1k8EoU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84xzE1k8EoU[/video]
 
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This is being reposted from whichever thread you were in that got you so angry?
 
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This is being reposted from whichever thread you were in that got you so angry?
No, I think it was about 5 years ago that I first saw that.

What is so ridiculous to me is idiots who actually get incensed because they really do believe that the sounds they are making is truly the way His name was pronounced in His own earthly language. And this is a very serious matter to these poor deluded souls.
 

Magenta

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Yay! Magenta put it all in one place! :)
So, in the book of John it seems he is saying he did not know until the Spirit descended, which seems to be a different case than the account in which he didn't want to baptize Jesus.

And yes, I wondered about your last para here because you would assume he'd been told all of the stories from a young age about the births of both of them! Which fits with him not wanting to baptize Jesus. It is Johns account that throws me into confusion...:)
Thank you, SBG :) It took me awhile to get it all because I think my computer has a virus that makes copying anything quite a pain, opening pages, ads popping up overlaying original page, ugh, I might have to take it in tonight :( It has gotten to be quite annoying cuz it takes so much time to do things that I know used to take much less time. Thank you for your patience with me :)

Another thing that John the baptist says that Jesus contradicts is to say that he is not Elijah. I am not sure how relevant that is to the discussion. I just kind of jumped in when you were talking about the baptism of Jesus :D
 
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even though many times we may think of others as 'idiots', it's really not very comfortable
to say it, it feels like we may be hurting them un-necessarily...correcting in Love is an
all together different thing...
 
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When did this become a thread about how to pronounce Jesus name?
 
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When did this become a thread about how to pronounce Jesus name?
Just a few minutes ago. He brought it up in another thread too. I'm a little worried about him. He's not making sense to me.
 
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Does he usually talk this way? I've never noted it. A little cranky sometimes but I've never noticed this kind of behavior...but I don't run across him all that much.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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if you do not understand , what jesus has already done for you.

for example.
a jewish people is not a gentile people.

if two heads become one head, then how can a jewish law save all.
Jewish law never saved anyone, never will. Only Christ fulfilled that law.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What do you make of it...?
John 1: [SUP]29 [/SUP]The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! [SUP]30 [/SUP]This is He of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ [SUP]31 [/SUP]I did not know Him; but that He should be revealed to Israel, therefore I came baptizing with water.”

He spoke it as he saw jesus coming from what I see.

so a little confusing,, I did not know him, but the one who sent me said....
 
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I have to go. I hope willie is okay. See you tomorrow ariel. We'll sneak in and be real quiet and maybe we can have a normal conversation. :rolleyes: