Dr. Peter Ruckman Discusses the Dispensations
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"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation... If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."
By John H. Gerstner Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism
By John H. Gerstner Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism
Youtube says this was uploaded May 26, 2009. He also has a book, published May 20, 2011. Not planning on buying or watching!
But the first hit on google is this post! LOL
I found this to be the most interesting comment on Ruckman and his ideas.
Overview of what Ruckmanism is all about | Ruckmanism.org
But the first hit on google is this post! LOL
I found this to be the most interesting comment on Ruckman and his ideas.
Overview of what Ruckmanism is all about | Ruckmanism.org
No one can understand who has not accurately understand how it is that salvation comes through Christ and how this also includes through his body of Saints whom he has prepared as Revelation 7:17 "... living fountains of waters ........"
The problem is that most see that salvation is through Christ but do not recognize that his spiritual body is Christ yet walking this earth and is Christ's salvation to this earth.
They do not get the sense pertaining to that body, that, 2 Corinthians 4:12 "So then death worketh in us [Christ's body], but [and because of that death which works in Christ's body] life [is at work] in you."
Not all have that calling as elect Saints of God because not all are presently capable of bearing the death that Christ bore for our sins. Only a remnant of elect Saints are able.
Everyone wants to rejoice that they are saved in the body and yet do none of the work that Christ's body did, which includes giving itself willingly as a sacrifice that others might live.
Matthew 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
The true church or temple is only those elect Saints. A temple is built to draw people to it where they can receive of the spiritual benefits through that temple but their coming to that temple does not make them that temple. And most are not part of that true temple but only God's elect Saints in Christ are. Those elect Saints as Christ's body sacrifice themselves that life may work in those that come toward that holy temple to render service at that temple which is those Saints in Christ.
If you cannot understand this then you cannot understand anything. You cannot see what the steps are to complete salvation to everyone as you think that all achieve salvation as these Saints.
The problem is that most see that salvation is through Christ but do not recognize that his spiritual body is Christ yet walking this earth and is Christ's salvation to this earth.
They do not get the sense pertaining to that body, that, 2 Corinthians 4:12 "So then death worketh in us [Christ's body], but [and because of that death which works in Christ's body] life [is at work] in you."
Not all have that calling as elect Saints of God because not all are presently capable of bearing the death that Christ bore for our sins. Only a remnant of elect Saints are able.
Everyone wants to rejoice that they are saved in the body and yet do none of the work that Christ's body did, which includes giving itself willingly as a sacrifice that others might live.
Matthew 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
The true church or temple is only those elect Saints. A temple is built to draw people to it where they can receive of the spiritual benefits through that temple but their coming to that temple does not make them that temple. And most are not part of that true temple but only God's elect Saints in Christ are. Those elect Saints as Christ's body sacrifice themselves that life may work in those that come toward that holy temple to render service at that temple which is those Saints in Christ.
If you cannot understand this then you cannot understand anything. You cannot see what the steps are to complete salvation to everyone as you think that all achieve salvation as these Saints.
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Well after he said that, he also stated that no body knows this date for certain.
In regard to your question though 1Still_waters, I would say sometime between the late 80s to early to mid 90s. I could be wrong though.
And at 3:17 when he mentions that faith and works is necessary for salvation, is when he is referencing the time of Jacob's trouble. And he is correct there. Because in the time of Jacob's trouble, faith will not be enough to save a person. That person will have to have both the faith of Jesus AND keep the commandments of God. Plus a tribulation saint will have to endure unto the end by not taking the mark of the beast to be saved.
Here are the Scriptures to show what I am talking about:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. - James 2:13-17 (King James Bible)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. - Revelation 14:9-12 (King James Bible)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. - Hebrews 10:26-27 (King James Bible)
All three of these Scriptural passages which I just gave you 1Still_waters are all Doctrinally for the Jews and even the Gentiles who will be living in the time of Jacob's trouble.
In the time of Jacob's trouble, a person will need both Faith AND Works to save him because Faith will not be enough, since if a person takes the mark of the Beast after he got saved, it does not matter, that same person will lose his salvation because he took the mark of the Beast.
In the Church Age, we are saved by faith only, and not by works (See Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, and Romans 4:4-5).
And Dr. Peter Ruckman also points out in that video that in the 1,000 year Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ, no body will be saved by faith because Jesus Christ will be Physically on this Earth reigning, and people will be able to see him. Therefore, faith will not be needed in that Dispensation. People will be saved simply by works during the time of the 1,000 Year Literal Messianic Reign of Jesus Christ.
In regard to your question though 1Still_waters, I would say sometime between the late 80s to early to mid 90s. I could be wrong though.
And at 3:17 when he mentions that faith and works is necessary for salvation, is when he is referencing the time of Jacob's trouble. And he is correct there. Because in the time of Jacob's trouble, faith will not be enough to save a person. That person will have to have both the faith of Jesus AND keep the commandments of God. Plus a tribulation saint will have to endure unto the end by not taking the mark of the beast to be saved.
Here are the Scriptures to show what I am talking about:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. - James 2:13-17 (King James Bible)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. - Revelation 14:9-12 (King James Bible)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. - Hebrews 10:26-27 (King James Bible)
All three of these Scriptural passages which I just gave you 1Still_waters are all Doctrinally for the Jews and even the Gentiles who will be living in the time of Jacob's trouble.
In the time of Jacob's trouble, a person will need both Faith AND Works to save him because Faith will not be enough, since if a person takes the mark of the Beast after he got saved, it does not matter, that same person will lose his salvation because he took the mark of the Beast.
In the Church Age, we are saved by faith only, and not by works (See Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, and Romans 4:4-5).
And Dr. Peter Ruckman also points out in that video that in the 1,000 year Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ, no body will be saved by faith because Jesus Christ will be Physically on this Earth reigning, and people will be able to see him. Therefore, faith will not be needed in that Dispensation. People will be saved simply by works during the time of the 1,000 Year Literal Messianic Reign of Jesus Christ.
Zone, every Christian is dispensational to a certain degree. Even Christians that claim to be nondispensational are dispensational to a certain degree!
If a Christian is not sacrificing bulls and lambs for their sins, then that Christian is already dispensational whether he wants to admit it or not. The only way of salvation for the dispensation which we are now living in is simply grace through faith only, See Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:4-5, and Titus 3:5.
But in the time of Jacob's trouble, salvation will be merited by faith AND works. And during the 1,000 year Reign of the Lord Jesus Christ, salvation will come by works only sinceeveryone will see Jesus physically ruling and reigning from Jerusalem.
If a Christian is not sacrificing bulls and lambs for their sins, then that Christian is already dispensational whether he wants to admit it or not. The only way of salvation for the dispensation which we are now living in is simply grace through faith only, See Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:4-5, and Titus 3:5.
But in the time of Jacob's trouble, salvation will be merited by faith AND works. And during the 1,000 year Reign of the Lord Jesus Christ, salvation will come by works only sinceeveryone will see Jesus physically ruling and reigning from Jerusalem.
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Oh that's silly.
The apostles saw Jesus, and they had to exercise faith.
The apostles touched his wounds, and they still had to use faith.
Faith doesn't only happen when ya can't see stuff.
1 John 1
What was from the beginning,
what we have heard,
what we have seen with our eyes,
what we have observed
and have touched with our hands,
concerning the Word of life—
[SUP]2 [/SUP]that life was revealed,
and we have seen it
and we testify and declare to you
the eternal life that was with the Father
and was revealed to us—
[SUP]3 [/SUP]what we have seen and heard
we also declare to you,
so that you may have fellowship along with us;
and indeed our fellowship is with the Father
and with His Son Jesus Christ.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We are writing these things[SUP][a][/SUP]
so that our[SUP][b][/SUP] joy may be complete.
The apostles saw Jesus, and they had to exercise faith.
The apostles touched his wounds, and they still had to use faith.
Faith doesn't only happen when ya can't see stuff.
1 John 1
What was from the beginning,
what we have heard,
what we have seen with our eyes,
what we have observed
and have touched with our hands,
concerning the Word of life—
[SUP]2 [/SUP]that life was revealed,
and we have seen it
and we testify and declare to you
the eternal life that was with the Father
and was revealed to us—
[SUP]3 [/SUP]what we have seen and heard
we also declare to you,
so that you may have fellowship along with us;
and indeed our fellowship is with the Father
and with His Son Jesus Christ.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We are writing these things[SUP][a][/SUP]
so that our[SUP][b][/SUP] joy may be complete.
Well, you have to remember that before the crucifixion, the Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles were still under the Mosaic Law. And they were still under the Old Testament Law. The New Testament came in by the death of Jesus Christ on the cross.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. - Hebrews 9:15-18 (King James Bible)
And Adam's plan of salvation was simply this:
If he wanted to stay alive and continue living how he was living: To not eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. It was salvation by works for Adam.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. - Hebrews 9:15-18 (King James Bible)
And Adam's plan of salvation was simply this:
If he wanted to stay alive and continue living how he was living: To not eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. It was salvation by works for Adam.
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Ruckman made it clear that after the resurrection there will be people saved by faith+works.
Not faith that produces works, but faith supplemented with works, because faith isn't enough.
Saying that faith + works saves, especially after the resurrection, robs the complete work of what Jesus did.
Again I'm not talking about a faith that produces works, I'm talking about a faith that somehow makes up for what Jesus is supposedly lacking.
Not faith that produces works, but faith supplemented with works, because faith isn't enough.
Saying that faith + works saves, especially after the resurrection, robs the complete work of what Jesus did.
Again I'm not talking about a faith that produces works, I'm talking about a faith that somehow makes up for what Jesus is supposedly lacking.
Well 1Still_Waters, It is like I mentioned before. In the Time of Jacob's trouble which is the Next big and major time period coming up after the Body of Christ is caught up in the rapture. There will be an element of works for tribulation saints because 1) They cannot under any circumstances, take the mark of the Beast. If they do take the mark, they basically damn their own souls to the Lake of Fire. They seal their own fate.
And 2) In Revelation 14:9-12:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. - Revelation 14:9-12 (King James Bible)
So Tribulation saints will have to endure unto the end to be saved. And they will also have to have faith AND works.
In the time of Jacob's trouble, a person will not be sealed by the Holy Spirit. Nor will that person be baptized into the Body of Christ. For a person to be saved in the time of Jacob's trouble, they will have to have both Faith AND Works.
And that is Scripture, God deals with mankind differently in different dispensations. He Dispenses salvation differently in different dispensations.
And 2) In Revelation 14:9-12:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. - Revelation 14:9-12 (King James Bible)
So Tribulation saints will have to endure unto the end to be saved. And they will also have to have faith AND works.
In the time of Jacob's trouble, a person will not be sealed by the Holy Spirit. Nor will that person be baptized into the Body of Christ. For a person to be saved in the time of Jacob's trouble, they will have to have both Faith AND Works.
And that is Scripture, God deals with mankind differently in different dispensations. He Dispenses salvation differently in different dispensations.
