During Tribulation, is it still Faith only for salvation?
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Well another thing christians are talking about is a microchip being implemented in our body. Well God showed me the mark of the beast in forehead in a vision. It will also have an electromagnetic field which will basically cause people not to put faith in God so they will not be saved. We as christians are gonna be persecuted , tortured and killed if we deny taking it. I am talking if jesus doesn’t come back before tribulation happens
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Pretty much agree. 2Th2:10-12 is speaking of that future time period, and it says the "why":
10 and in every deception of wickedness unto those perishing, in return for which they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved. 11 And because of this, God will send to them a working of delusion, for them to believe what is false, 12 in order that all those not having believed the truth but having delighted in unrighteousness should be judged."
This is not to say NO ONE will be saved (come to faith) within/during the trib years (some will!), this is just showing the reasoning behind...
10 and in every deception of wickedness unto those perishing, in return for which they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved. 11 And because of this, God will send to them a working of delusion, for them to believe what is false, 12 in order that all those not having believed the truth but having delighted in unrighteousness should be judged."
This is not to say NO ONE will be saved (come to faith) within/during the trib years (some will!), this is just showing the reasoning behind...
People who put their faith in politics, leaders, money or governments rather than Jesus are not saved. It's not to late yet but the sides are getting more polarized and it's getting more difficult not to become a part of one or the another since the selfish, greed and egos of all sides is evil. Carrying the message of salvation and redemption through Christ is the most important reason to live.
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EDIT to add (ran outta time): [note: send to them a working of a delusion, that they should "believe what is pseudei/FALSE"... not referring to 100% of the ppl existing on the earth at that time period... so it doesn't seem an "electromagnet" thing would fit this passage/description here]
That ^ was to be added to what I'd said here:
IOW, I think the passage in 2Th2:10-12 starts EARLY in the trib... not something like the 2nd half (mob) point in time, or after
That ^ was to be added to what I'd said here:
IOW, I think the passage in 2Th2:10-12 starts EARLY in the trib... not something like the 2nd half (mob) point in time, or after
Good day Alertandawake,
I agree with you and would add that, to me the mark seems to be a kind of proverbial line being drawn in the sand. Those whose names have not been written in the book of life from before the beginning of the world, will worship the beast, his image and receive his mark. The other reason will be for self preservation, since those without the mark will not be able to electronically buy or sell without the mark.
I believe Jesus' saying can be applied here when He said, "Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it. But whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel shall save it." People during that time will desire to save their lives here and will therefore be willing to worship the beast and receive his mark to do so. I also believe that this mass desire for body tattooing and piercing is desensitizing people to the coming mark. Since they are willing to mark up their bodies, their earlobes, etc., then it will not be a great transformation to receive a device on or in the skin of the hand in replacement of swiping one's bank card or cell phone bank application. People are already doing it and are eager to do so.
I agree with you and would add that, to me the mark seems to be a kind of proverbial line being drawn in the sand. Those whose names have not been written in the book of life from before the beginning of the world, will worship the beast, his image and receive his mark. The other reason will be for self preservation, since those without the mark will not be able to electronically buy or sell without the mark.
I believe Jesus' saying can be applied here when He said, "Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it. But whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel shall save it." People during that time will desire to save their lives here and will therefore be willing to worship the beast and receive his mark to do so. I also believe that this mass desire for body tattooing and piercing is desensitizing people to the coming mark. Since they are willing to mark up their bodies, their earlobes, etc., then it will not be a great transformation to receive a device on or in the skin of the hand in replacement of swiping one's bank card or cell phone bank application. People are already doing it and are eager to do so.
I have thought about this. Have our bodies been already renovated without us knowing to be compatible with the digital age? Nanoparticles, SMART dust, we could have this stuff inside of us without even knowing.
Then you have this "transhumanism" concept of merging man with machine, which to me sounds like merging man to a super computer of some sort.
Nanotech, AI, 5G, Electronic banking transactions, to me it all connected, one way or another.
From a technological point of view, one could compare people who accept the mark of the beast to that of a computer running a operating system requiring software that has been activated in order to function properly.
Then you have this "transhumanism" concept of merging man with machine, which to me sounds like merging man to a super computer of some sort.
Nanotech, AI, 5G, Electronic banking transactions, to me it all connected, one way or another.
From a technological point of view, one could compare people who accept the mark of the beast to that of a computer running a operating system requiring software that has been activated in order to function properly.
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The Bible certainly felt it was important enough to explicitly warn those under the Tribulation period in Rev 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
We have people here believing that those who put their faith in Christ, the HS in them will override their will such that they will never take the mark.
Now you are saying in reverse, that those who take the mark, the mark will override their will such that they will not put their faith in Christ.
It is interesting the extent one would believe to hold on to the doctrine that salvation has always been by faith alone apart from works, even during the Tribulation.
Now you are saying in reverse, that those who take the mark, the mark will override their will such that they will not put their faith in Christ.
It is interesting the extent one would believe to hold on to the doctrine that salvation has always been by faith alone apart from works, even during the Tribulation.
Yep, so one who believes in Jesus's death burial and resurrection, is he still free to choose to take the mark?
And if he does, will he still be saved?
You will probably reply with some circular argument again, "But if he truly believes, he will never take the mark". That is the same as implying he has no free will to sin after believing.
And if he does, will he still be saved?
You will probably reply with some circular argument again, "But if he truly believes, he will never take the mark". That is the same as implying he has no free will to sin after believing.