Easter, by any other name.

[RachelBibleStudent]

"Eostre: Saxon and Neo-Pagan goddess of fertility and springtime whom the holiday Easter was originally named after." (Gerina Dunwich, The Concise Lexicon of the Occult, New York: Citadel Press, 1990 p.54)

"EASTER: Bæde Temp. Rat. XV. derives the word from Eostre (Northumb. spelling Éastre), the name of a goddess whose festival was celebrated at the vernal equinox; her name...shows that she was originally the dawn-goddess." (The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1989)

"Astarte: a Phoenician goddess of fertility and sexual love who corresponds to the Babylonian and Assyrian goddess Ishtar and who became identified with the Egyptian Isis, the Greek Aphrodite, and others." (Oxford Dictionary of English)

"Ishtar: ancient fertility deity, the most widely worshiped goddess in Babylonian and Assyrian religion. Ishtar was important as a mother goddess, goddess of love, and goddess of war. Her cult spread throughout W Asia, and she became identified with various other earth goddesses (see GREAT MOTHER OF THE GODS). Great Mother of the Gods: in ancient Middle Eastern religion (and later in Greece, Rome, and W Asia), mother goddess, the great symbol of the earth's fertility. As the creative force in nature, she was worshiped under many names, including ASTARTE (Syria), CERES (Rome), CYBELE (Phrygia), DEMETER (Greece), ISHTAR (Babylon), and ISIS (Egypt). The later forms of her cult involved the worship of a male deity (her son or lover, e.g., ADONIS, OSIRIS), whose death and resurrection symbolized the regenerative power of the earth." (www.encyclopedia.com)

your first source is an occult dictionary...occultists and neopagans and so on are notorious for making religious claims based on faulty history...much of their 'ancient' religion was actually invented in modern times...

your second source doesn't actually prove that easter is named after a pagan goddess...it merely establishes that the medieval historian bede believed that easter was named after a pagan goddess...it turns out that bede is not an especially reliable source on this subject...he himself admits that he has never witnessed any practice of this religion which by his own account died out hundreds of years before his time...so bede's entire story is based on hearsay...the fact is that there is not a single primary source that attests to the existence of this pagan goddess...

your last two sources are revealing in that neither of them state that there is any connection between astarte or ishtar and easter...although they identify several other correspondences...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Okay alright. the English word Easter comes from German and the pagan Germans worshiped some false god and they used the egg to represent its dying in winter and return in spring and the bunny or rabbit as the produce wildly in the spring. I meant if you have two rabbits in a month you will have 45 rabbits, so to speak. The life of a rabbit. But is was introduced to the church saying that a chicken when born left behind a empty tomb, speaking of the egg. I would rather the whole thing be left out. But does your church have a druid Christmas tree come December 25. The question is where is your faith.

actually as i mentioned in my previous post there is actually no primary historical evidence that this pagan goddess that easter is supposedly named after even existed...let alone that her worship involved eggs or rabbits...not even bede says that about her...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

There is overwhelming evidence everywhere, some just dont want to see it.

If we defended Messiah as much as we did pagan holidays there may be more followers of truth.

actually there is -zero- evidence...some just prefer to make things up...

and nobody is defending pagan holidays...but it seems you specialize in bearing false witness...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

It's good to see there's people that actually know their origin of the terms that are supposed to be religious holidays when many if not all root from Paganism, which is what the Bible is 100% against.

actually all i see are people believing everything they read on the internet...and showing a total lack of discernment when it comes to sources of information...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I didnt bother to post any more refrences because if Oxford Dictionary and Vines is not atleast enough to wonder then IDK what will be.

If you study ancient pagan religions you will see every practice of the following or Ishtar is carried over into Easter, transformed but carried over none the less.

I have 2 grocery stores by me run by Chaldeans, one called Babylon Foods and the other Ishtar, they are cathlocs, why? Because their ancient religion is carried over into this modern one, AND THEY KNOW IT.

Did Messiah dye an egg on the execution tree? No dying eggs came from the cult of Ishtar in which the eggs were dyed in the blood of infants. Where is the Scripture commanding the dying of eggs? And why do catholics only dye their eggs red?

Now we can get silly with questions like, "what classifies as 'pagan' and thus 'not allowed'. For instance, should I be reading the Bible in English, or in Hebrew/Greek? Should we only use the lyre, harp, etc in church music, and are organs right out? Why or why not? Can I catch the train to church, or should I walk? Etc, etc "

There is a big gap between these silly things and celebrating Messiah in the ways of pagan Babylon goddess Easter. But I guess if one throws them together they can trivialize both and continue in the deception that was prophesied in Daniyl 7:25.

We are told to not worship Yahweh in their ways and to come out of Babylon...

...Not to fight tooth and nail to stay in babylon... (I say this to everyone not isolating you)

vine's doesn't seem to be particularly reliable on questions of historical origins...i see that they repeated the easily debunked myth that the cross had something to do with tammuz...with 'T' supposedly being the initial of his name...when actually the ancient spelling of tammuz's name didn't even start with a 'T'...his name was actually 'dumuzid'...

and anyone who studies ancient pagan religions would know that all of your claims about easter and ishtar are completely false and ignorant...

for example...ishtar worshippers did -not- color eggs red in the blood of babies...that claim was actually -made up from whole cloth- back in 2001 by a false teacher and self proclaimed rabbi named michael rood...rood's assertion actually seems to have been inspired by a 1960s horror film...

you yourself are a perfect likeness of babylon...your are filled with confusion...

 

[ob77]

Easter is not in the bible.
the king james guys mistranslated pascha into easter

pascha was translated 29 times into passover
and one time into easter

obviously catholic false doctrine trying to change the Bible
passover and easter is NOT the same thing they occur at different times.

Easter is in the bible, but Paul did not write easter. I agree with the rest of what you said.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

How can we get three days and three night from Friday to Sunday?

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/89812-do-we-even-care-about-truth.html

by counting the days the way the bible counts days...instead of mistakenly insisting on a seventy-two hour period...

...an insistence which incidentally has its origins in -babylonian- timekeeping

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Why is it that people do not listen to Jesus Christ Himself, when he said He would be in the tomb three days and three nights?
Wednesday sunset to Saturday sunset is three days and three nights. 72 hours as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish?

why is it that you refuse to believe the bible which says -flat out- that jesus rose on a sunday?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Like I said before they are both worship at the same time of year, both with bunnies, both will eggs, both with dying eggs...

No connection? How about this:


"The term 'Easter' is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch [Passover and the Feast of Unleavens] was a continuation of the Jewish [that is, God's] feast....from this Pasch the pagan festival of 'Easter' was quite distinct and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan festivals to Christianity." (W.E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger, William White, Jr., Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, article: Easter, p.192)

"The term Easter was derived from the Anglo-Saxon 'Eostre,' the name of the goddess of spring. In her honor sacrifices were offered at the time of the vernal equinox. By the 8th cent. the term came to be applied to the anniversary of Christ's resurrection." (International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, edited by Geoffrey Bromiley, Vol 2 of 4, p.6, article: Easter)

"Vernal Mysteries (spring heathen rites) like those of Tammuz, and Osiris and Adonis flourished in the Mediterranean world and farther north and east there were others. Some of their rites and symbols were carried forward into Easter customs. Many of them have survived into our own day, unchanged yet subtly altered in their new surroundings to bear a 'Christian'significance." (Christina Hole, Easter and its Customs)



You see a long time ago the true Mighty One confused the languages of the capital of sun/Ishtar worship (Babylon) and this worship stayed the same in practice but different in name...

ishtar worship did not involve rabbits or eggs as symbols...ishtar was actually symbolized by lions and eight pointed stars representing the planet venus...

in fact the rabbit was not associated with easter until the 1600s...

your first two sources here...as pointed out previously...are based solely on hearsay reported by the medieval historian bede...there is not a single primary source to back it up...

since when is it godly to accuse virtually the entire christian church of paganism based on the testimony of a single witness who actually wasn't even a -witness- at all?

and your third source is simply -wrong-...tammuz's death and rebirth ceremonies did not even take place in the spring...

 

[Kerry]

The pagan German God was represented by rabbits as the produce abundantly, When Christianity came they incorporated this with the egg, which is another sign of fertility and in the minds of the constituents, they cohered the chick leaving the empty egg as sign of the empty tomb and therefore a bunny that has eggs.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

If you throughly study all the Scriptures surrounding Messiah burial and resurrection there is no other possible timeline. Again IF one sticks to Scripture. A solid introduction here: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/89812-do-we-even-care-about-truth.html

wrong as usual...

if you thoroughly study all the scriptures surrounding jesus' burial and resurrection...as well as the biblical passover observance...then it is clear that your timeline is absolutely -impossible-

friday to sunday is the -only- biblically defensible timeline for jesus' burial and resurrection...

and your false claim that jesus rose on saturday in defiance of the plain statement in mark 16:9 borders on the manufacture of -another christ- that doesn't fit the biblical account...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Of course "praying to Ishtar" aka the Queen of Heaven is way wrong...

yeremyah:7:18, "How the children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, while the women knead dough to make cakes for the Queen of Heaven, and how they pour out drink offerings to the hinder gods so they may provoke Me to anger?"

as is baking cakes for Easter...I mean Ishtar... I mean hot cross buns... cough

ishtar is not the deity referred to as the 'queen of heaven' in the bible...the 'queen of heaven' was actually the canaanite goddess anath...

and if baking cakes in itself is pagan then that would make much of the torah pagan...obviously your sweeping generalizations are completely without merit...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Messiah rises Sabbath just before sundown,

mark 16:9..."Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

your scenario is blatantly false from the very first statement...

 

[Kerry]

Okay take it easy on Hiz, Rachael now you bout to make me angry and you will not like me when I'am angry. If you cause one of my little ones to stumble. Hiz you are not a little one. I'm trying to be good here. But the two of you are talking and its like talking baseball to a foot ball player if you get what I'm saying.

 

[dcontroversal]

I stand solidly with what I said. Words mean things. There is no earthly reason to call Passover, Easter. None.

I agree with you on this as well....God inspired the word Passover and to change it or alter it changes it into something that God did not intend it to say or mean.....

 

[Hizikyah]

mark 16:9..."Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

your scenario is blatantly false from the very first statement...

Where is the comma placed on the greek text?

Ohh, there is no comma in the greek.

"Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

OR IS IT

"Now after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

One would have to look at every single piece of evidence in the Scriptures surround when the resurrection was....

Just simply look at English punctuation and taking that as inspiered fact is error.

 

[Apostol2013]

Messiah did rise at the ending of the sabbath but still a sabbat

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Where is the comma placed on the greek text?

Ohh, there is no comma in the greek.

"Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

OR IS IT

"Now after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

One would have to look at every single piece of evidence in the Scriptures surround when the resurrection was....

Just simply look at English punctuation and taking that as inspiered fact is error.

you mention there is no comma in the greek...well let's look at the greek...

'anastas de proi prote sabbatou ephane proton maria te magdalene par hes ekbeblekei hepta daimonia'

literally translated this says...'and rising early on the first day of the week he appeared first to mary the magdalene from whom he had expelled seven demons'

so while you were able to twist the verse in english by moving punctuation marks around...the greek text in this case is much more restrictive and will not support any such twisting...