Eternal Security - If saved, always saved! Part 1. - By David Stewart
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It is simple. Those who do not have faith, but a mere belief, Who have never repented. Who do not really want God, but are just playing a game, are confronted by Paul and their false gospel is exposed. However, Unlike the false legalism skinski teaches, Paul is not telling them they will lose salvation, But as james later said, They claim to have faith,k but have no work, thus their faith is dead.
They are just as lost as those teaching a works based Gospel of legalism, as both, because of pride, refuse to repent and recieve Gods gift. one outright rejects it, and the other tries to earn it. both are lost.
They are just as lost as those teaching a works based Gospel of legalism, as both, because of pride, refuse to repent and recieve Gods gift. one outright rejects it, and the other tries to earn it. both are lost.
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Yeah, Ive actually been trying to help this guy for days now. I really didnt want you need or input, since nobody was arguing, I just had one last thing to say in order to wrap the production. Sometimes its better to just let things be the way they are, because your placing your input really isnt helping anyone or anyhing. If I have an opinion, I should be and will state it. But just getting in others bussiness for the sake of being there is nosy. Its unwanted, and unneccarry. So, thanks anyway, for trying to help, but Im a grown adult, and Im pretty sure I can take care of my debates by myself, without need of a caretaker, or a peanut gallery, or anything of the sort. Im 23. I got this. You might not think I do... but I dont care. I got this. Thank you for your time.
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If I offended you, then I apologize. Yes and the question is to whom is that specific Scripture being addressed to? Last time I checked, the Apostle Paul never said anything about enduring to the end in his Pauline epistles. After all, we as Christians should be getting the great bulk of our doctrine from the Pauline epistles since those were the letters specifically written to the church. You have to go back to Matthew to read that statement. That passage which you are quoting from Matthew 24:13 is not even being addressed to the church age, it is talking about the time of Jacobs trouble, also called the 7 year tribulation. Again, do not confuse the two.
And that is exactly what I told you, let Scripture interpret Scripture. You can't try to bring in your private interpretation. Let alone you are not even rightly diving the dispensations in the Bible, which shows why you still seem confused about this issue of eternal security. And I told you before, it is not about my opinion or yours, it is about what does the Bible say about the subject being discussed. You have shown me Scriptures but you have taken them out of context and you have also misapplied those same Scriptures to another dispensation in which they do not even apply.
No one is hiding lol. And I surely am not hiding.
But where you are lacking in your understanding is basically the different divisions and dispensations that are in the Bible. Understand this, all the Bible is written for us, but not all the Bible is written to us. Some passages of Scripture apply only to the Children and Nation of Israel, God's chosen people and nation. While other Scriptures apply mainly to the New Testament Christians that are living in the church age. You have to understand that, other wise you'll be like the majority out there who will believe more of what their pastor says about the Bible rather than actually believing what the Bible says about itself.
And yes I do know that Eternal Security is taught in the Bible. How? Because I rightly divide the word of truth and I see where it says that we (Christians) are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.
You can dust your feet all you want. You need to study girl! Show yourself approved We all do. I still have a long way to go myself. But no Christian who does not know any better is going to try get me to believe that I can lose my salvation when the Bible does not teach that for this dispensation known as the church age. Paul said it best in Romans 8:35-39
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.- Romans 8:35-39
You can rest assured that you are eternally secure and that you cannot lose your salvation. I can't lose my salvation because it is not mine to lose! Salvation is of God, not of us.
And that is exactly what I told you, let Scripture interpret Scripture. You can't try to bring in your private interpretation. Let alone you are not even rightly diving the dispensations in the Bible, which shows why you still seem confused about this issue of eternal security. And I told you before, it is not about my opinion or yours, it is about what does the Bible say about the subject being discussed. You have shown me Scriptures but you have taken them out of context and you have also misapplied those same Scriptures to another dispensation in which they do not even apply.
No one is hiding lol. And I surely am not hiding.
But where you are lacking in your understanding is basically the different divisions and dispensations that are in the Bible. Understand this, all the Bible is written for us, but not all the Bible is written to us. Some passages of Scripture apply only to the Children and Nation of Israel, God's chosen people and nation. While other Scriptures apply mainly to the New Testament Christians that are living in the church age. You have to understand that, other wise you'll be like the majority out there who will believe more of what their pastor says about the Bible rather than actually believing what the Bible says about itself.
And yes I do know that Eternal Security is taught in the Bible. How? Because I rightly divide the word of truth and I see where it says that we (Christians) are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.
You can dust your feet all you want. You need to study girl! Show yourself approved
We all do. I still have a long way to go myself. But no Christian who does not know any better is going to try get me to believe that I can lose my salvation when the Bible does not teach that for this dispensation known as the church age. Paul said it best in Romans 8:35-3935Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.- Romans 8:35-39
You can rest assured that you are eternally secure and that you cannot lose your salvation. I can't lose my salvation because it is not mine to lose! Salvation is of God, not of us.
Okay, just one last thing. NOBODY STUDIES THE BIBLE like any one other peron. We have diffferent thoughts, and ideas, right yea? Okay, the holy spirit adheres to us in way that makes sense so that we can accomplish our goals. Some how some way, we all come up at the same exact place. Knowing mainly the same exact doctrine, funny how that works, everyone but you. Personally I dont care. I know Im on the right track, because I talk to and pray to my savior every day, I see the ways hes working in my life, and took me when I was spiritually dead, and made me alive. SO, Im good on the salvation thing, I dont know you, or what your doing, Im sure your exactly where god wants you to be for now.I just happen to know that what your saying is a doctrine of the Devil, but if you wanna continue down that path, maybe god has something very special for you to do, that Im just not on a scale to understand. And Im pretty sure Jesus said that in Matthew. And pretty sure it was meant as a generalized statement. Dont just look at that one though! There are many scriptures in the bible. Many, many scriptures, SO if you ever do change your mind, you can always talk to me. Im here. Amen, and amen.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
You know what I take from this? That christians go through storms in life, and not to give up on our journey, because he wont let us fail. There are lots of statements like this in the bible, but I beleive its just so that you DONT give up. Its a battle. But anyway. Have a nice life dude. I gots to go drink coffee.
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No, hun, I think hes just trying to say, that even though we mess up, god is always faithful. Like sometimes we mess up, and just dont realize, you should always ask for forgiveness, but he wont ever leave you. No matter what, unless you give up on him or something. I dont know about anyone else, but Ive been walking with god for a year now, and I sin A LOT less then I used too. Like..A LOT. Lol. I like your profile picture, btw, I think your very pretty.
No, hun, I think hes just trying to say, that even though we mess up, god is always faithful. Like sometimes we mess up, and just dont realize, you should always ask for forgiveness, but he wont ever leave you. No matter what, unless you give up on him or something. I dont know about anyone else, but Ive been walking with god for a year now, and I sin A LOT less then I used too. Like..A LOT. Lol. I like your profile picture, btw, I think your very pretty.
And thank you for the compliment. Holding a camera too close to your face hides alot of "flaws" I learned lol
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No. I was saying he cant ENTER or POSSESS you. A huge difference. To be honest, I doubt satan even looks at me, he is only one being. I am just a small person. But I know his demons come after me. but they can never posses me,
there are only two "sons of perdition" mentioned in scripture. Judas and the one at the end. in the meantime, Scripture says satan is in heaven trying to condemn the saints. Again he is one person.
I do know one thing. People give satan and his horde to much credit. they can not make us or anyone do anything we do not want to do. Anymore than God can. God is willing that no one should parish, yet people deny him every day. Satan is not more powerful than God
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No, hun, I think hes just trying to say, that even though we mess up, god is always faithful. Like sometimes we mess up, and just dont realize, you should always ask for forgiveness, but he wont ever leave you. No matter what, unless you give up on him or something. I dont know about anyone else, but Ive been walking with god for a year now, and I sin A LOT less then I used too. Like..A LOT. Lol. I like your profile picture, btw, I think your very pretty.
Good for you. God is great, and he can change our lives..
by the way, You both are beautifull. God has blessed both of you!!
Everyone but me? LOL, now THAT is FUNNY!
There are many Christians who also believe in Eternal Security. It's not just me. Of course we have different thoughts as we all are unique in our own way. If you do not care, that is fine. That is your prerogative. But what I am trying to get you to understand is that Eternal Security is a Biblical Doctrine. Which means that it is not a doctrine of the Devil, as you falsely claim it to be. And I believe that you are a genuine Christian, however that does not make you right about this issue on Eternal Security. Let me tell you something, you can be right about a lot of things. You can be right about several Bible topics, but just because you may be right on certain things, that does not mean you cannot be wrong on some things. And your viewpoint and stand on the issue being discussed here is clearly wrong. Especially in light of Scripture. When we read Scripture, we are to read it within the context that it is in. Like I told you before that portion of Scripture from Matthew that you posted in your previous post, is talking about the time of Jacobs trouble also called the 7 year tribulation. In the 7 year tribulation, the tribulation saints will have to endure til the end in order to be saved. They will have to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus Christ.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. - Revelation 14:12
Now in the Church Age, which is the dispensation which we are now living in, the only thing we have to do in order to be saved is repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. And then we are saved. And at the exact moment we get saved, we are then sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise. And we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the Day of Redemption (Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 4:30)
Furthermore, what is important to also note is that we are baptized by the Holy Ghost into the Body of Christ. So, once you are born again, you cannot be UN born again. It just cannot happen. Hence, that is why no Christian can lose his or her salvation in this dispensation, the Church Age. In this dispensation, it is salvation by faith alone. In the next dispensation which is the time of Jacobs trouble or the 7 year Tribulation, salvation will be by faith AND works. Since the Tribulation saints will have to have the faith of Jesus Christ and keep the commandments of God. (Read Revelation 14:12 again)
And also note that they will have to endure til the end by not taking the mark of the beast. And they will have to avoid taking the mark of the beast by all costs.
Okay, and that is your private interpretation. And there is a very good chance that it may also mean that. But I believe it is talking about salvation. And that is exactly what that passage of Scripture is talking about. Read that Scripture as a whole in the context that it is written in and you should be able to see what I am talking about. Well, you have a nice life too dudette!!
And enjoy your cup of coffee. I am a big coffee drinker. 
When you repented, just what did you repent of? How did you know or realize that you needed to repent? Did this happen when you first believed and what was the change that took place in your life? Did anything return in your life that you repented of? Was there ever a time that you doubted your salvation and doubted if you truly repented the way you believe God wanted you to? If God requires repentance for salvation, is repentance some kind of indication to God that you were serious or does He already know what is in your heart before you repent? If you fail in any area that you have already repented, does that mean you failed at true repentance also? Is it sin not to repent or to repent and fail in that area you repented of? I do not believe it is possible to repent or change our mind of anything unless God gives us an abundance of grace over and over until that grace overwhelms us and we want nothing but HIM! So many believers talk, talk and talk of repentance but never do they consider that an abundance of grace is the true premise for any repentance.
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1. Without repentance, there will be no faith
2. Without repentance, there will be no humility
3. Without repentance, there will be no salvation because of the above two facts.
People who deny repentance as the means to salvation are what the problem is, It allows us to say a pray and not change our lives and think we are saved. That is a licentious gospel. and is not from God.
2. Without repentance, there will be no humility
3. Without repentance, there will be no salvation because of the above two facts.
People who deny repentance as the means to salvation are what the problem is, It allows us to say a pray and not change our lives and think we are saved. That is a licentious gospel. and is not from God.
That is off the top of your head and it is not what the scriptures teach. You are as wrong as you can be about it and I am the only one that will confront you on it because of how you believe. You also have the wrong understanding about a licentious gospel, but you will never change that because your too proud of how you believe. God changes our lives with His word and His Spirit in His body one thought at a time, one decision at a time and one step at a time. That is what the plan of God is all about, until Christ can be formed in us and we learn how to live by every word of God through grace. And if we fail 1,000 times in the process, SO WHAT! God is for us and will never leave us or stop the work that He has begun in us. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT????????????? and DO YOU PRACTICE THAT TOWARD YOURSELF AND OTHERS??????????
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Oh I am wrong and you the only one who will confront me on it? Dude you have issues. James confronted you, and you refuse to see him. Someone who claims to have faith, but has NO WORK (NO CHANGED LIFE) is dead. They have zero faith. because they have not repented!
How can one have faith if they still hate God, Still do not see themselves as sinners. Still do not see themselves as condemned, and still does not see Christ as the only way? They can't. How does one get to this point? they must repent. why? because all the things I showed is what every man woman and child believes before Christ. Thus no repentance. No salvation.
If you do not believe those, you will not be saved, that is fact. If you do not think your a sinner, you will go on sinning, If you do not think you need Christ, You will not trust in his words. etc etc.
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I was dead in sin. I didnt know anything about god, or about what he did. I remember being as broken as broken can be, standing in the pouring rain, crying, talking to god, telling him how afraid I was, and how I didnt want to be alone anymore. And how I didnt want to die. Repentance is key. After youve done so much wrong, Jesus deserves to know how sorry you are, and that you WANT to change. There is no walk, no true relationship, if you cannot swallow your pride enough to tell someone your sorry. Im sorry for not walking with him from the beginning of my life. Im sorry for the mistakes Ive made along the way. I wish I could take every bit of every second, I have spent without you Jesus, and give it back to you, help me, Lord to accomplish that, so that I might find out your heart, and your true glory. I will not be satisified with anything less. I love you. I want you always with me, I want you in my thoughts. Im sorry I fall short of what I would like to give to you in reality, so mold me, that I may be able to be everything you created me to be. Sometimes, you just have to break, all the way, to realize whats important. Theres a saying, that you dont really know what you really need, until the last place you have to fall, is to your knees.
There is NO REASON not to say your sorry, if you love someone. If Jeus loves you anyway, even if you havent repented, maybe you should think about that. And think about changing it. Repentace, creates humility. Eternally_Grateful I agree with that much. The bible does teach us to repent. And there is NO reason not too.
There is NO REASON not to say your sorry, if you love someone. If Jeus loves you anyway, even if you havent repented, maybe you should think about that. And think about changing it. Repentace, creates humility. Eternally_Grateful I agree with that much. The bible does teach us to repent. And there is NO reason not too.
Does God have Faith? If God Himself never takes risks then He has no need of faith. Logically then, since Faith is the primary requirement of Christianity He is asking us to have something he Himself does not have.
For God to take a risk means that while it might be possible that He could know everything, He chooses not to know, or the future is not knowable.
The logical inconsistencies presented by the Calvinists, essentially requires God to be the creator of evil. Argument goes: God created everything, evil exists ergo God created evil. There is no escaping it. The pretzel logic required by Calvinists is amusing. For any other possible creation of evil means that God is not the only creator ergo God did not create everything.
Humans have been putting God into boxes of human creation since the beginning of time itself. They use such noble words as all powerful, all knowing, and still they want to limit God to how they themselves understand those terms. God has no freedom to choose under those terms. He "must" always get His way and He "must" always be unchangeable, and he "MUST " do all those things that such people want of their God. Such a God has no need for faith he gets whatever He wants regardless of any other factor anywhere in the universe.
I subscribe to what is called Open Theism. Look it up in Wikipedia if you have never read about it before. The transcendental qualities of God are not limiting factors but tools He can use when and If He chooses. The single most important thing about God that we humans can participate in is Faith. He takes risks and we do also. This does not mean that God will necessarily always get what He wants, but He can in fact put plan 'B' into effect if plan 'A' does not work out.
God never offered eternal security to us, never intended for that condition because it means a death to our growing and changing and gaining maturity. Eternal security is Satan's imitation of God, set out to prevent us from ever being the fully grown, fully mature individuals. There are far too many baby Christians, people who have no ability to understand, they are theological robots following orders from God.
When and if we make mistakes, we repent, God forgives us and we move on. Making mistakes is the result of risking, it is the method by which we learn and grow and taking the risk out of life would be a tragedy.
For God to take a risk means that while it might be possible that He could know everything, He chooses not to know, or the future is not knowable.
The logical inconsistencies presented by the Calvinists, essentially requires God to be the creator of evil. Argument goes: God created everything, evil exists ergo God created evil. There is no escaping it. The pretzel logic required by Calvinists is amusing. For any other possible creation of evil means that God is not the only creator ergo God did not create everything.
Humans have been putting God into boxes of human creation since the beginning of time itself. They use such noble words as all powerful, all knowing, and still they want to limit God to how they themselves understand those terms. God has no freedom to choose under those terms. He "must" always get His way and He "must" always be unchangeable, and he "MUST " do all those things that such people want of their God. Such a God has no need for faith he gets whatever He wants regardless of any other factor anywhere in the universe.
I subscribe to what is called Open Theism. Look it up in Wikipedia if you have never read about it before. The transcendental qualities of God are not limiting factors but tools He can use when and If He chooses. The single most important thing about God that we humans can participate in is Faith. He takes risks and we do also. This does not mean that God will necessarily always get what He wants, but He can in fact put plan 'B' into effect if plan 'A' does not work out.
God never offered eternal security to us, never intended for that condition because it means a death to our growing and changing and gaining maturity. Eternal security is Satan's imitation of God, set out to prevent us from ever being the fully grown, fully mature individuals. There are far too many baby Christians, people who have no ability to understand, they are theological robots following orders from God.
When and if we make mistakes, we repent, God forgives us and we move on. Making mistakes is the result of risking, it is the method by which we learn and grow and taking the risk out of life would be a tragedy.