Ever wonder what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was?

[oldhermit]

I do see what you are saying, but you have to realize that there is too much that remains hidden if you can't put it all together. Have you ever read a novel or watched a movie and you could see much more than looking at a single scene by knowing the other things that have happened and putting it all together? If so, then you will have no problem knowing why GOD would say this:

Eze 31:9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

I want you to take a look at Ezek 31:1-9 and tell me who the text identifies as the antecedent of "him" in verse 9. Always allow the text to define its terms and the use of language.

 

[veryelect]

I want you to take a look at Ezek 31:1-9 and tell me who the text identifies as the antecedent of "him" in verse 9. Always allow the text to define its terms and the use of language.

The assyrian is another name for satan. I know you don't see that, but I see it. It is one of those things that JESUS said that is not meant for everyone to see. If you have Eyes to See and Ears to Hear, you will see it, otherwise you will not. Why did JESUS speak in parables in the first place? It's so only those that are predestined will see it. To them it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom Of GOD.

Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


Eze 31:1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 31:2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?
Eze 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
Eze 31:4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
Eze 31:5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
Eze 31:6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.
Eze 31:7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
Eze 31:9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

 

[ELECT]

Why would there be a need for secret wisdom apart form the words themselves? The text is straightforward and clear. Why not just believe what it says?

Moses was shown the secret of wisdom

 

[ELECT]

I want you to take a look at Ezek 31:1-9 and tell me who the text identifies as the antecedent of "him" in verse 9. Always allow the text to define its terms and the use of language.

it is the devil this is not ripples believe it or not
when was this king in the garden of eden ?
Do you or mankind know where the garden of eden is ?
What time is this in the passage ?

 

[ELECT]

The assyrian is another name for satan. I know you don't see that, but I see it. It is one of those things that JESUS said that is not meant for everyone to see. If you have Eyes to See and Ears to Hear, you will see it, otherwise you will not. Why did JESUS speak in parables in the first place? It's so only those that are predestined will see it. To them it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom Of GOD.

Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


Eze 31:1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 31:2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?
Eze 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
Eze 31:4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
Eze 31:5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
Eze 31:6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.
Eze 31:7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
Eze 31:9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

Who do you see as the fir trees and cedar trees and the trees in the garden in verse 8 and 9?

 

[oldhermit]

The assyrian is another name for satan. I know you don't see that, but I see it. It is one of those things that JESUS said that is not meant for everyone to see. If you have Eyes to See and Ears to Hear, you will see it, otherwise you will not. Why did JESUS speak in parables in the first place? It's so only those that are predestined will see it. To them it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom Of GOD.

I think you really know this is not true and you know you will never find any textual evidence to support this claim. This is why you try to pass it off as special knowledge that is only revealed to you by the Lord. Using Luke 8:10 as a defense is not going to fly because Jesus made that statement to his apostles, not to you. You have no special knowledge or revelation beyond the language of scripture. Do you seriously believe you can attach just any meaning you wish to a text and claim that it is hidden wisdom from God even when it stands contrary to what the plain grammatical structure of the text reveals? This renders the language of the text meaningless. Paul urges us "not to go beyond the things that are written." I think this is revealed wisdom that is sound and this upholds the integrity of the written text.

The text is clearly addressing the nation of Assyria which was a world empire in league with Egypt thus it is represented as one of Egypt's "hoards." Everything follows directly represents that nation. This is what the text says. You are simply not being honest with the text.

 

[veryelect]

I think you really know this is not true and you know you will never find any textual evidence to support this claim. This is why you try to pass it off as special knowledge that is only revealed to you by the Lord. Using Luke 8:10 as a defense is not going to fly because Jesus made that statement to his apostles, not to you. You have no special knowledge or revelation beyond the language of scripture. Do you seriously believe you can attach just any meaning you wish to a text and claim that it is hidden wisdom from God even when it stands contrary to what the plain grammatical structure of the text reveals? This renders the language of the text meaningless. Paul urges us "not to go beyond the things that are written." I think this is revealed wisdom that is sound and this upholds the integrity of the written text.

The text is clearly addressing the nation of Assyria which was a world empire in league with Egypt thus it is represented as one of Egypt's "hoards." Everything follows directly represents that nation. This is what the text says. You are simply not being honest with the text.

There are mysteries that some do not see. Whether or not JESUS was talking to the apostles is not a defense to leave out something that is being communicated. The apostles are types of elect also. These are things you won't see by simply reading it like a history teacher. What would be the purpose in the first place for referencing Eden and comparing the assyrian to the trees in the Garden Of GOD? The information in the Old Testament was written as an example to the elect at the end time. That is why they will see it. The entire Bible answers why we are here, what happened to cause it, what we are to do, and where we are going. There is nothing left out and no guess work. It is written, but it is written mainly to those that were written in the Book Of Life at the foundation of the world.

 

[veryelect]

I think you really know this is not true and you know you will never find any textual evidence to support this claim. This is why you try to pass it off as special knowledge that is only revealed to you by the Lord. Using Luke 8:10 as a defense is not going to fly because Jesus made that statement to his apostles, not to you. You have no special knowledge or revelation beyond the language of scripture. Do you seriously believe you can attach just any meaning you wish to a text and claim that it is hidden wisdom from God even when it stands contrary to what the plain grammatical structure of the text reveals? This renders the language of the text meaningless. Paul urges us "not to go beyond the things that are written." I think this is revealed wisdom that is sound and this upholds the integrity of the written text.

The text is clearly addressing the nation of Assyria which was a world empire in league with Egypt thus it is represented as one of Egypt's "hoards." Everything follows directly represents that nation. This is what the text says. You are simply not being honest with the text.

I know this is the second reply to the same comment, but I really need to know who you actually are.
Can you please answer these three questions regarding the verses below?

1. What does 'many are called, but few are chosen' mean?
2. What is the wedding garment that needs to be worn to the wedding?
3. Where is the outer darkness and why is there weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Mat 22:1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Mat 22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
Mat 22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
Mat 22:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Mat 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Mat 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Mat 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
Mat 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[oldhermit]

It is written, but it is written mainly to those that were written in the Book Of Life at the foundation of the world.

It is becoming quite clear that you have absolutely no regard for what is written in the text of scripture because you incessantly try to force things into the text that are simply not there. You force wild speculations upon the text regardless of what the language reveals. You simply do not care what the text has to say nor do you have any respect for the integrity of the word of God. You consistently try to manipulate the text in order to make it conform to some outlandish notion that is nothing more than the product of you own imagination and then you have the unmitigated audacity to claim that this is some kind of special knowledge given to you by the Lord even when it contradicts the text itself. I see a dozen guys a week on here just like you all claiming to have special knowledge and special revelation and everyone of them contradicting the others. You and your friend ELECT are two peas in a pod.

I really do not think there is anything to be gained by humoring you further.

 

[ELECT]

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There are mysteries that some do not see. Whether or not JESUS was talking to the apostles is not a defense to leave out something that is being communicated. The apostles are types of elect also. These are things you won't see by simply reading it like a history teacher. What would be the purpose in the first place for referencing Eden and comparing the assyrian to the trees in the Garden Of GOD? The information in the Old Testament was written as an example to the elect at the end time. That is why they will see it. The entire Bible answers why we are here, what happened to cause it, what we are to do, and where we are going. There is nothing left out and no guess work. It is written, but it is written mainly to those that were written in the Book Of Life at the foundation of the world.

i always wonder what this verse means

John 14:12 [Full Chapter]
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
seems like it is for all of us today not just the apostle

 

[veryelect]

It is becoming quite clear that you have absolutely no regard for what is written in the text of scripture because you incessantly try to force things into the text that are simply not there. You force wild speculations upon the text regardless of what the language reveals. You simply do not care what the text has to say nor do you have any respect for the integrity of the word of God. You consistently try to manipulate the text in order to make it conform to some outlandish notion that is nothing more than the product of you own imagination and then you have the unmitigated audacity to claim that this is some kind of special knowledge given to you by the Lord even when it contradicts the text itself. I see a dozen guys a week on here just like you all claiming to have special knowledge and special revelation and everyone of them contradicting the others. You and your friend ELECT are two peas in a pod.

I really do not think there is anything to be gained by humoring you further.

JESUS HIMSELF says you are wrong. And since you cannot answer the three questions I asked above, it obviously shows that your knowledge of scripture is limited and focused on a historical perspective. It also seems to be limited to specific areas. I do agree that there is not much to be gained by further debate on the subject, but perhaps some day your eyes will be opened. If not, then it simply means that you have a different path than I do. I had to put you on the spot to determine your mindset because the things you speak may hurt those that do have eyes to see. Since you have read the Bible for 40 years and still do not know what it says or what the subject is, and then this conversation comes up, you never know, it may mean that your eyes are about to be opened. You might want to pray about this and see if that may be the case.

 

[veryelect]

i always wonder what this verse means

John 14:12 [Full Chapter]
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
seems like it is for all of us today not just the apostle

I believe that those works that HE is speaking of will likely start to happen during the hour of temptation which will come upon us shortly. Remember what is written in Acts 2 and the book of Joel.

 

[veryelect]

One last comment (I hope), and this comment is not directed at OldHermit. It is directed to GOD'S Very Elect.
If there were any accuracy in the perspective of how OldHermit understands scripture, then there would be no reason for the Bible to have the following verse:

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.


If so, then people would have to be waiting for some seven headed monster to come out of the sea and attack humanity.
In reality, GOD'S Very Elect know that it is a governmental system that rises out of the people. We know that it is the one world system and that no one can make war with it because it IS a one world system. In a one world system, there is no one to go against it. The Very Elect and the Elect however know what their job is during this time. They are, after all, the cedars of Lebanon, the ships of Chittim.