EVOLUTION: a-sexual to sexual transition
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I would only answer a few things on here
One there is a cure for cancer but we make more money by treating cancer - peoples deaths are of little consequence. We could have eradicated world hunger a few times with all the billions trying to find an atomic particle
If you want an interesting article on the failures of what people using the tools of science should be able to do by now "Billions and Billions of demons by Richard Lewinton. Over promised and under delivered
There also is a book called the secret war on cancer - very interesting - Devora Davis is the author
One there is a cure for cancer but we make more money by treating cancer - peoples deaths are of little consequence. We could have eradicated world hunger a few times with all the billions trying to find an atomic particle
If you want an interesting article on the failures of what people using the tools of science should be able to do by now "Billions and Billions of demons by Richard Lewinton. Over promised and under delivered
There also is a book called the secret war on cancer - very interesting - Devora Davis is the author
hmm....well, you don't seem as though you're about to start ridiculing the notion of a Creator God (some do of course).
but excluding the possibility of a Creator God is specifically what i wondered. as in, you are not 'agnostic' as they say (maybe there is a God, maybe there isn't)....but in fact an atheist (there is no God).
so, i would very much be interested in how you were able to with absolute certainty rule out the possibility of a Creator God, i.e: "there is no God"
i saw you write about an epiphany. did i read you correctly that this was the moment of 'knowing' with absolute certainty there is no God? anyway....i'll wait for clarification, or if it's off topic for this thread (it really isn't but), maybe you would start another. if not, no big deal. i'll keep reading.
k....ttyl.
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but excluding the possibility of a Creator God is specifically what i wondered. as in, you are not 'agnostic' as they say (maybe there is a God, maybe there isn't)....but in fact an atheist (there is no God).
so, i would very much be interested in how you were able to with absolute certainty rule out the possibility of a Creator God, i.e: "there is no God"
i saw you write about an epiphany. did i read you correctly that this was the moment of 'knowing' with absolute certainty there is no God? anyway....i'll wait for clarification, or if it's off topic for this thread (it really isn't but), maybe you would start another. if not, no big deal. i'll keep reading.
k....ttyl.
z
Big bang is quite inconsistent with Biblical Creation, The main thread of Big bang cosmogony is the "eternal universe" Newton though orthodox in his faith, struggled with the notion that the universe had a beginning so accepted the idea of the eternal universe
Ecclesiastes 1:9 says that there is nothing new under the sun - Ideas are never new, though they might have new shiny parts, the main concept is always the same
I explain it like a Christmas tree whose ornaments change over time, but the tree is the same. Big bang cosmogony has different ornaments but the tree of the eternal universe remains the same - although they explain as our universe came from another universe and so on -
Biological Evolution - the tree would be that people came from animals
Geological Evolution - would be the Earth is really really old(need a better one) but that's the gist
All this is to say : if the universe never had a beginning - nothing created it, if we came from animals - then we are animals and are not accountable to anyone, etc
Ecclesiastes 1:9 says that there is nothing new under the sun - Ideas are never new, though they might have new shiny parts, the main concept is always the same
I explain it like a Christmas tree whose ornaments change over time, but the tree is the same. Big bang cosmogony has different ornaments but the tree of the eternal universe remains the same - although they explain as our universe came from another universe and so on -
Biological Evolution - the tree would be that people came from animals
Geological Evolution - would be the Earth is really really old(need a better one) but that's the gist
All this is to say : if the universe never had a beginning - nothing created it, if we came from animals - then we are animals and are not accountable to anyone, etc
Cosmologists aren't even sure that this question has meaning. Since our universe and the laws that govern it appear to have originated at the same time that matter started expanding, we have no idea what conditions were like before that - or even IF THERE WAS a "before that."
We believe we have a pretty good understanding of how the universe has worked back to that initial expansion event, because things seem to behave as though they have been acting under the laws of physics we already know since that time. But right now we just don't have any way to tell what, if anything, existed before that, or how time or space or matter worked prior to that point.
We may eventually come up with a way to figure it out, but we haven't yet.
We believe we have a pretty good understanding of how the universe has worked back to that initial expansion event, because things seem to behave as though they have been acting under the laws of physics we already know since that time. But right now we just don't have any way to tell what, if anything, existed before that, or how time or space or matter worked prior to that point.
We may eventually come up with a way to figure it out, but we haven't yet.
okay. so really, we have only two options then:
1) there was something before the big bang
2) there was nothing before the big bang
but we do not know which of those is true.
we're focused on the big bang as the starting point, but not really because there might have been something before that.
we don't have a clue, at all.
we're guessing..
on the other side of the big bang there could be.......God, right?
what was it that went bang?
1) there was something before the big bang
2) there was nothing before the big bang
but we do not know which of those is true.
we're focused on the big bang as the starting point, but not really because there might have been something before that.
we don't have a clue, at all.
we're guessing..
on the other side of the big bang there could be.......God, right?
what was it that went bang?
Not yet, anyway.
The universal expansion event is a starting point whether or not something came before - it's when the universe started doing the stuff that we DO observe and understand, and it's when the chain of events happened that led to today.
Scientists are coming up with possibilities and trying to figure out ways to test them, right.
We don't know, and anyway it depends on what you mean by "God." My God, YHWH, isn't limited to before the Big Bang; He still exists in the universe today.
All of the matter in the universe.
The universal expansion event is a starting point whether or not something came before - it's when the universe started doing the stuff that we DO observe and understand, and it's when the chain of events happened that led to today.
Scientists are coming up with possibilities and trying to figure out ways to test them, right.
We don't know, and anyway it depends on what you mean by "God." My God, YHWH, isn't limited to before the Big Bang; He still exists in the universe today.
All of the matter in the universe.
Sorry to have been so long answering your post. I see no point in ridicule.
I probably have answered this already, but as no one can possibly read every post I will gladly provide an answer. I am an atheist. I am a seven on Richard Dawkins' scale (see page 50 of The God Delusion).
First, I had no personal experience of God. There was nothing on an emotional level to persuade me of his existence. One thing I have noticed among those who have a deep and profound belief in God is that many of them believe God connects with them personally. Secondly, I have never found any other evidence to support the idea that God exists. Lastly, and this should perhaps have come second, the Bible presents views of the world and universe that make no sense in scientific terms. Put them all together and they present a formula for atheism.
I probably have answered this already, but as no one can possibly read every post I will gladly provide an answer. I am an atheist. I am a seven on Richard Dawkins' scale (see page 50 of The God Delusion).
First, I had no personal experience of God. There was nothing on an emotional level to persuade me of his existence. One thing I have noticed among those who have a deep and profound belief in God is that many of them believe God connects with them personally. Secondly, I have never found any other evidence to support the idea that God exists. Lastly, and this should perhaps have come second, the Bible presents views of the world and universe that make no sense in scientific terms. Put them all together and they present a formula for atheism.