Explain 666...

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Elijah19

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This is a weird one to be posting right around Easter time, but I'd really appreciate some insight.

Revelation 13:18 - Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Now I know the first inclination of some jokers will be to say that 666 is the number of some "Illuminati" conspiracy organization, or of Damien Thorn (*fictional antichrist) from the classic movie "The Omen", but I'm being serious here. The Bible clearly states that a person of understanding should be able to count the number of the beast and understand it's meaning. It wouldn't say that if it didn't mean it.

Obviously, we're supposed to be able to understand what 666 means in at least some capacity. I've heard someone say to me before that the number is based on the fact that man was created on the sixth day of creation, therefor six is the number of humanity, and that three sixes therefore represents an unholy trinity of man based on the fact that three is (obviously) the number of persons in the Holy Trinity. From this interpretation, it would seem to indicate that 666 represents a man lifting himself up falsely as god and promising salvation to the whole world through a false gospel, all the while dominating them as a tyrant. However, this doesn't cover the whole idea of the number in the chapter as pertains to the rest of humanity.

If you read the earlier parts of chapter 13 in Revelations, it is abundantly clear that the number 666 is to be used as a mark on anyone/everyone who worships "the beast and his image" (antichrist, I'm assuming). Also, the chapter tells that no one can buy or sell anything without the mark in the world under the antichrist, and in the next chapter it is made clear that anyone having the number of the beast will not enter into the Kingdom of God. All of this leads up to the question - what really is the mark of the beast? What form will it take?

Some have surmised that it is a form of RFID chip implanted into the hand and even forehead. Already, such chips are indeed being implanted and used in modern society to replace credit cards, with numbers on them enabling buying and selling. With the globalization of the economy and the fading use of plastic in favor of implants, it may be that the number of the beast is a form of computer code used in economic transactions. This would be an easy way to shut off buying or selling to anyone that did not have such a mark inside of them, and could be implemented by a world leader as a form of identification with his person. All of this is just speculation, of course. It could be a bar code, a tattoo (like in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany), an actual supernatural mark left my evil itself, or just a lack of salvation serving as a mark of Satan's ownership.

Either way, I'd like some insight into the number 666 and, while you're at it, any good interpretation of Revelation 13 in total would be great. Will people be forced to take the mark, effectively ending your salvation if you get caught and "tagged"? Will it be the ultimate choice between good and evil as to whether or not you receive Satan's mark? Will those unbelievers who have received the mark have the opportunity to become Christians? If so, will they need to be "unmarked"? I know that this is a lot, but It's probably good to know, considering the implications.
 
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Shpadoinkle

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I've heard all kinds of things for what 666 represented, since before I was a Christian. I heard it was code for Gematria for Nero or for any other ruler that can match. I've heard it refers to mankind itself with the number of protons, neutrons and electrons in a carbon atom, I've heard it has to do with the number of protein chains between linkages between turns in a DNA chain. There are a lot of theories but I don't know if anyone knows for certain, 100% that they know what 666 is supposed to represent in Revelation.
 

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Walter Martin used to have fun with this.

Let A=6; B=12; C=18; D=24 etc..

About the only word that adds up to 666 is the word 'computer'...eerie.
 
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Walter Martin used to have fun with this.

Let A=6; B=12; C=18; D=24 etc..

About the only word that adds up to 666 is the word 'computer'...eerie.
And which language? Hebrew or Greek?
 
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Walter Martin used to have fun with this.

Let A=6; B=12; C=18; D=24 etc..

About the only word that adds up to 666 is the word 'computer'...eerie.
Whuu???
Heard a preacher explain that Hebrews wrote letters for numbers so said 666 was www. And my thought was, Revelation was written in Greek wasn't it?
 

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I believe that it originally referred to Nero Caesar, because Revelation was first given to the seven churches. who experienced persecution. Some believed that the Emperor Domitian was really Nero resurrected. It was they that
were told to calculate the number. It doesn't make sense otherwise, because those churches wouldn't have a clue about Computers or any other twenty first century explanation, however much wisdom they had. The number itself being placed on the hand and forehead is a parody of the name given by Christ to the redeemed. Also the forehead represents the mind and the hand represents works.
 

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I've heard things from people much smarter than I, that the Catholic church was the anti-Christ, and they used the numbers 666 and the alphabet and the Bible as it was first written, to try to prove this.

To me so far, that is the best explanation that I've ever received, not that Catholics are the anti-Christ, but that the leaders of the church have turned the church into the anti-Christ, and that could explain the Crusades. I wonder if we haven't already missed the rapture, and if we aren't in the tribulation right now.

Would the rapture have been well recorded if it happened before the Crusades? Not that I believe in all of that, but it's just more conjecture. I'll know the answers, when I get there.
 
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Chuckt

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Whuu???
Heard a preacher explain that Hebrews wrote letters for numbers so said 666 was www. And my thought was, Revelation was written in Greek wasn't it?
But Christians are going to be raptured and the ones left are Jews whom God will cause to believe again so it could be in hebrew.
 
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Henmar

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I've heard things from people much smarter than I, that the Catholic church was the anti-Christ, and they used the numbers 666 and the alphabet and the Bible as it was first written, to try to prove this.

To me so far, that is the best explanation that I've ever received, not that Catholics are the anti-Christ, but that the leaders of the church have turned the church into the anti-Christ, and that could explain the Crusades. I wonder if we haven't already missed the rapture, and if we aren't in the tribulation right now.

Would the rapture have been well recorded if it happened before the Crusades? Not that I believe in all of that, but it's just more conjecture. I'll know the answers, when I get there.
Well, I'm surprise to know that.. I've never thought it would come from Catholic.. Is it really true?
As far as i know, if we live in Christ, there's none as live in rapture but live in Joy because He is Peace and Joy. It might be our flesh feel rapture but our soul full of Joy and Peace in Jesus Christ. Now the question is do you want to use His Joy and Peace? ;)
 

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Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Identify the clues:

666 = six hundred and sixty six, not (6, 6, and 6).

How do you count the number of something? At the time this was written the Greek numbers all had letters, as symbols.
I can't remember them all, but its recorded how they did it and what each letter meant as a number, (use your wisdom to research it).

"the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man", - A beast is a kingdom or power because that is consistent with the rest of the Bible, and the man that rules this power, is the head of that beast.
Some say it is a single man or person, but could it be the title that a man gets when they are given power of that beast so the name carries on for hundreds of years and applies to each generation.



The numeric equivalents of Greek letters can also be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 8.

The ancient Greek word for "the Latin speaking man" is LATEINOS
L = 30 lambda
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
E = 5 eta
I = 10 iota
N = 50 nu
O = 70 omicron
S = 200 sigma
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666
The ancient Greek for "The Latin Kingdom" is HE LATINE BASILEIA BASILEIA is Strong's # G932
H = 0 Transliterated
E = 5 ata
L = 30 lambda
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
I = 10 iota
N = 50 nu
E = 5 eta
B = 2 beta
A = 1 alpha
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
L = 30 lambda
E = 5 eta
I = 10 iota
A = 1 alpha
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666

The ancient Greek for "Italian Church" is ITALIKA EKKLESIA EKKLESIA is Strong's # G1577
I = 10 iota
T = 300 tau
A = 1 alpha
L = 30 lambda
I = 10 iota
K = 20 kappa
A = 1 alpha

E = 5 eta
K = 20 kappa
K = 20 kappa
L = 30 lambda
E = 5 eta
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
A = 1 alpha
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666

And in ancient Greek the word APOSTATES
A = 1 alpha
P = 80 pi
O = 70 omicron
ST = 6* stigma *
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
E = 5 eta
S = 200 sigma
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666 * Stigma is a now obsolete Greek character, but it appears in the New Testament in Rev 13:18 to give the value 666 (chi xi stigma - See Strong's Concordance, # G5516).

And in ancient Greek the word for "tradition" PARADOSIS Strong's # G3862
P = 80 pi
A = 1 alpha
R = 100 rho
A = 1 alpha
D = 4 delta
O = 70 omicron
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
S = 200 sigma
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666
I'll do roman numerals next.
 
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This is a weird one to be posting right around Easter time, but I'd really appreciate some insight.

Revelation 13:18 - Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Now I know the first inclination of some jokers will be to say that 666 is the number of some "Illuminati" conspiracy organization, or of Damien Thorn (*fictional antichrist) from the classic movie "The Omen", but I'm being serious here. The Bible clearly states that a person of understanding should be able to count the number of the beast and understand it's meaning. It wouldn't say that if it didn't mean it.

Obviously, we're supposed to be able to understand what 666 means in at least some capacity. I've heard someone say to me before that the number is based on the fact that man was created on the sixth day of creation, therefor six is the number of humanity, and that three sixes therefore represents an unholy trinity of man based on the fact that three is (obviously) the number of persons in the Holy Trinity. From this interpretation, it would seem to indicate that 666 represents a man lifting himself up falsely as god and promising salvation to the whole world through a false gospel, all the while dominating them as a tyrant. However, this doesn't cover the whole idea of the number in the chapter as pertains to the rest of humanity.

If you read the earlier parts of chapter 13 in Revelations, it is abundantly clear that the number 666 is to be used as a mark on anyone/everyone who worships "the beast and his image" (antichrist, I'm assuming). Also, the chapter tells that no one can buy or sell anything without the mark in the world under the antichrist, and in the next chapter it is made clear that anyone having the number of the beast will not enter into the Kingdom of God. All of this leads up to the question - what really is the mark of the beast? What form will it take?

Some have surmised that it is a form of RFID chip implanted into the hand and even forehead. Already, such chips are indeed being implanted and used in modern society to replace credit cards, with numbers on them enabling buying and selling. With the globalization of the economy and the fading use of plastic in favor of implants, it may be that the number of the beast is a form of computer code used in economic transactions. This would be an easy way to shut off buying or selling to anyone that did not have such a mark inside of them, and could be implemented by a world leader as a form of identification with his person. All of this is just speculation, of course. It could be a bar code, a tattoo (like in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany), an actual supernatural mark left my evil itself, or just a lack of salvation serving as a mark of Satan's ownership.

Either way, I'd like some insight into the number 666 and, while you're at it, any good interpretation of Revelation 13 in total would be great. Will people be forced to take the mark, effectively ending your salvation if you get caught and "tagged"? Will it be the ultimate choice between good and evil as to whether or not you receive Satan's mark? Will those unbelievers who have received the mark have the opportunity to become Christians? If so, will they need to be "unmarked"? I know that this is a lot, but It's probably good to know, considering the implications.
To whom was John's letter addressed? Not to us. It was clearly sent to some people living hundreds and hundreds of years ago in a different time and place. They understood, probably quite well, who was being referenced. Quit trying to play Hokus Pokus Crystal Ball with their mail.

If you just insist on having to meddle with this, do it correctly. Try determining what THEY would have recognized as being whatever John was telling THEM about.

The primary rule of exegesis is to determine the who, what, when, and where of Scripture... NOT to make it fit 21st Century time and space.
 
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The Bible says that the number 666 is the number of a man,the man of sin has that number associated with him.

The beast kingdom is a kingdom that is based on the occult,nature worship,and witchcraft,that honors no personal God,but an impersonal God,the God of forces,or the evolutionary process.

The Bible says the last king,the man of sin,will not honor any God,but honor the God of forces,and be in to witchcraft,and convince the world that he harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,and his solution for the world to have peace,is there is no personal God to help them,but man's technology,and devices,can help them,so the mark of the beast has to do with technology.

Since this kingdom is based on the occult,they believe in the power of numbers,and the number of a man to them is 6,so the man of sin believes a triple 6 will give him more power,for they like to group occult numbers together,and plan things out on a certain date that add up to their occult numbers.

And since the mark has to do with technology this comes in to play.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

χξς
chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

στίγμα
stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast will be used for identification of the person,and all their information about them,and the one world economic system,and to cut down on crime,and stop crime on earth.

It sounds like the microchip put under the skin with a needle,that will have all information about them on the chip,which when their hand,or forehead,is scanned,pops up on computer,with a picture of them,with the chip being like the GPS tracking system,and if a crime happens in an area,they will know who was in that location at that time,even down to a millimeter,which will cause many people to stop doing crime,since they will be found out,and can find lost children,and such things like that.

It also states that the number 666 is the number of his name,which it could be that he was to be the New Age Christ from birth,and was given him a name to add to 666,or he gave him a name to add up to that number later on.

So the man of sin has the number 666 associated with him,for he believes it will give him more power through nature,and is associated with technology,for it is the beast's agenda that there is no personal God to help them,but people can achieve peace on earth by their own ability.
 
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Elijah19

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While it's all well and good to try crunching numbers here, the problem remains that there are simply a million different ways via a million conflicting interpretations (all based on something quasi-biblical or historical), that can make the antichrist into anything the interpreter might want. What we're looking for here though is a deeper spiritual meaning based on God's word and POV, not mankind's. After all, if 666 is the number of a man, why use man's understanding to capture the problem with it?
 

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Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Identify the clues:

666 = six hundred and sixty six, not (6, 6, and 6).

How do you count the number of something? At the time this was written the Greek numbers all had letters, as symbols.
I can't remember them all, but its recorded how they did it and what each letter meant as a number, (use your wisdom to research it). (Romans and Hebrews did the same)

"the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man", - A beast is a kingdom or power because that is consistent with the rest of the Bible, and the man that rules this power, is the head of that beast.
Some say it is a single man or person, like Hitler or Donald Trump, but could it be the title that a man gets when they are given power of that beast so the name carries on for hundreds of years and applies to each generation.


The numeric equivalents of Greek letters can also be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 8.

The ancient Greek word for;



"the Latin speaking man" is LATEINOS

L = 30 lambda
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
E = 5 epsilon
I = 10 iota
N = 50 nu
O = 70 omicron
S = 200 sigma
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666

"The Latin Kingdom" is HE LATINE BASILEIA

H = 0 Transliterated
E = 8 eta

L = 30 lambda
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
I = 10 iota
N = 50 nu
E = 8 eta

B = 2 beta
A = 1 alpha
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
L = 30 lambda
E = 5 epsilon
I = 10 iota
A = 1 alpha
======
666

"Italian Church" is ITALIKA EKKLESIA

I = 10 iota
T = 300 tau
A = 1 alpha
L = 30 lambda
I = 10 iota
K = 20 kappa
A = 1 alpha

E = 5 epsilon
K = 20 kappa
K = 20 kappa
L = 30 lambda
E = 8 eta
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
A = 1 alpha
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666


Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
The same Greek word translated as name (onoma: G3686) that appears in Revelation 13:17-18 is also used in chapter 19:16, so clearly the word can also apply to a title, and not just one man's name. Now, we are told that it takes a certain understanding and wisdom to discern just how this number is actually applied. Based on the fact that 666 can apply to a title,

Lets try it in Latin, We know it as roman numerals.
I = 1, V = 5, X = 10, L = 50, C = 100, D = 500, M = 1000.

The literal meaning;

VICARIUS FILII DEI
VICARIUS = substituting for,
or in place of.
FILII = son
DEI = GOD

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = no value
R = no value
I = 1
U/V = 5
S = no value

F = no value
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1

D = 500
E = no value
I = 1
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666

DUX CLERI
= Captain of the Clergy

D = 500
U = 5
X = 10

C = 100
L = 50
E = no value
R = no value
I = 1
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666

LUDOVICUS
= Vicar of the Court

L = 50
U = 5
D = 500
O = no value
V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
U = 5
S = no value
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666

In Hebrew it adds up as well

The numeric equivalents of Hebrew letters can be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 50.
The beast = Roman Kingdom, and the Man = ruler of Roman kingdom.
The Roman Catholic church and the Pope


ROMIITH = the Roman Kingdom,

R = 200 resh
O = 6 waw (vav)
M = 40 mem
I = 10 yod
I = 10 yod
TH = 400 taw
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666


ROMITI = the Roman Man

R = 200 resh
O = 6 waw (vav)
M = 40 mem
I = 10 yod
T = 400 taw
I = 10 yod
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666

One of the official titles of the Pope, Vicarius Filii Dei or "Vicar of the Son of God," is at times disputed by Catholic theologians, but can be verified in papal canons and other Catholic publications.

Catholic F. Lucii Ferraris, in his Latin encyclopedia called Prompta Bibliotheca canonica juridica moralis theologica said this:
Ut sicut Beatus Petrus in terris vicarius Filii Dei fuit constitutus, ita et Potifices eius successores in terris principatus potestatem amplius, quam terrence imperialis nostræ serenitatis mansuetudo habere videtur .

The English translation is as follows:
As the blessed Peter was constituted Vicar of the Son of God on earth, so it is seen that the Pontiffs, his successors, hold for us and our empire the power of a supremacy on the earth greater than the clemency of our earthly imperial serenity.
 
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GaryA

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Will people be forced to take the mark, ...
"I don't think so --- let me tell you why..."


Revelation 13:

[SUP]11[/SUP] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. [SUP]12[/SUP] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. [SUP]13[/SUP] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, [SUP]14[/SUP] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [SUP]15[/SUP] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. [SUP]16[/SUP] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [SUP]17[/SUP] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. [SUP]18[/SUP] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.



I believe that the 'grammar of the language' of these verses indicates a "before-and-after" order of the following:

1 ) Those who will not worship the beast are killed.

2 ) Those who are left -- those who are willing to worship the beast -- are then marked.

And, it does make sense -- practical sense -- that it would be done this way. It would make no sense to go to the-effort-and-cost-and-etc. to [ forcefully ? ] 'chip' ( or whatever ) - say, 7 billion people - and then kill - say, 6 billion of them...

Finding out first who is willing to worship the beast -- killing them -- then 'marking' the rest -- actually makes more 'practical' sense.

And, they will be willing and wanting to kill anyone who will not worship the beast anyway. They are looking for any excuse now to reduce the population of the earth to one-half billion people or less... :eek: :rolleyes:

I believe the only 'choice' that will be given will be "worship the beast or die"...

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OOPS!

Finding out first who is willing to worship the beast -- killing them -- then 'marking' the rest -- actually makes more 'practical' sense.
Finding out first who is not willing to worship the beast -- killing them -- then 'marking' the rest -- actually makes more 'practical' sense.

:eek:
 

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The notion that one must accept a computer chip or mark or be killed is not taught. One does not even need to accept the mark in order to buy or sell.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

You have 1 of 3 choices in order to buy or sell.

1) Receive the "Mark" on right hand or forehead
2) Have the "Name of the Beast"
3) Have the "Number of his name"

Having the name or number of the beast's name is not the same as having the mark. Hence, the "mark" is not a computer chip. Back to this in a moment.

You are killed by NOT WORSHIPING THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST. That will get you killed. You are killed if you have the mark by God later.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

So, what is the BEAST and what is it's IMAGE?

There are two BEAST in Rev 13. The first one is the BEAST from the Sea. The second is the BEAST from the earth. The one to be worshiped it the BEAST FROM THE SEA.

...and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

So we see that "the earth" and "those who dwell in it" are to worship the FIRST BEAST, the BEAST from the SEA. More accurately "they" are to worship the IMAGE of the BEAST from the SEA.

What is an IMAGE? An image is a copy. Think of looking in a mirror. The image you see is a copy of you. Thus the "Image" in Rev 13 is a copy of the Beast that was mortally wounded. In other words, the original BEAST of the SEA was killed but a copy was made later and it again now lives.

A "BEAST" = Kingdom, Government or Political Power (Dan 7:23)
The "SEA" = Masses of society, usually unruly, evil and lawless. (Isa 57:20, 60:5, Jud 1:13, Luk 21:25)

So, the BEAST of the SEA (that is to be worshiped or you are killed) is a Kingdom, Government or Political Power which is a copy of a previous Kingdom that was killed. This Kingdom was formed by unruly, angry and lawless people who do the work of Satan.

John goes on to tell us in Rev 17 that this same BEAST with the 7 heads and 10 horns "carries" a false religion and that this false religion is responsible for killing the martyrs of Jesus.

And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. [SUP]6 [/SUP]I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

So, we need to find a re-instituted Kingdom or Political Power of wicked men which follows a major False Religion and kills those who follow Jesus.

Do we know the location of this RELIGIOUS EVIL BEAST KINGDOM? Sure, John tells us in Rev 13:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.

LEOPARD
BEAR
LION


The comparison to Daniel 7 is undeniable.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The first was like a lion...a second, like a bear...and there was another, like a leopard.

LION - Babylon
BEAR - Medo-Persia
LEOPARD - Greece


John is telling us that the BEAST IMAGE is from the same region as the first three beasts of Dan 7 but John gives them in reverse order. Putting it all together, we have:

1. RE INSTITUTED EVIL KINGDOM or POLITICAL POWER FORMED BY BAD MEN
2. FOLLOWING A MAJOR FALSE RELIGION THAT KILLS THOSE WHO FOLLOW JESUS
3. LOCATED TO THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST OF ISRAEL
4. ORDERS EVERYONE TO SWEAR ALLEGIANCE TO THEM OR BE KILLED

Hmmm. Who leads a northern, saint-killing evil empire following a false religion?

Dan 11: [SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. [SUP]36 [/SUP]“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished.

Doesn't the above sound eerily similar to the below?

Rev 13: [SUP]5 [/SUP]And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.


SAINT KILLING, NORTHERN ISLAMIC EVIL POWER WHICH ORDERS EVERYONE TO FOLLOW IT

But were people forced to follow it?

[h=1]ISIS Declares New Islamist Caliphate[/h] [h=2]Militant Group Declares Statehood, Demands Allegiance From Other Organizations[/h] THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

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Matt Bradley

June 29, 2014 2:07 p.m. ET BAGHDAD—The Sunni Islamist militant group whose three-week blitz through northern Iraq has nearly upended the country's fragile unity announced itself as a new Islamist "caliphate" on Sunday, unilaterally declaring statehood and demanding allegiance from other Islamic groups.

Are other Groups following ISIS?


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Islamic State leader Baghdadi goads West in rare audio statement

In what is believed to be his first public message in seven months, Isil chief warns Israel attacks are imminent.

By Josie Ensor
4:22PM GMT 26 Dec 2015


The leader of the self-declared Islamic State issued a defiant message to the West, warning “crusaders” not to dare fight on his turf.

In a rare public statement - his first in seven months - Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi said Western countries had "learned from" previous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Crusaders and Jews don't dare to come on the ground because they were defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan," he said in a 23-minute long audio message released through an Isil-run internet account.

The message - dubbed an "alternative Christmas broadcast" on social media - appeared to be an effort to rally Isil followers against the growing number of enemies arrayed against them.


The leader, who has rarely been pictured and has not been heard from since he was believed to have been injured in an airstrike by Iraqi forces in October, Russian or US-led airstrikes had failed to weaken the group, which was only "expanding and getting stronger".
"Be confident that God will grant victory to those who worship him, and hear the good news that our state is doing well. The more intense the war against it, the purer it becomes and the tougher it gets," he said.
He also called on Saudi citizens - the second biggest contributor to Isil ranks - to "rise up" against their government as he dimissed the kingdom's newly formed Muslim coalition against the caliphate.
He also said Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) would soon be in Palestine to establish an Islamic state there. "Jews, soon you shall hear from us in Palestine which will become your grave," the voice, purporting to be Baghdadi, is heard saying.

"The Jews thought we forgot Palestine and that they had distracted us from it," he says in the recording. "Not at all, Jews. We did not forget Palestine for a moment. With the help of Allah, we will not forget it… The pioneers of the jihadist fighters will surround you on a day that you think is distant and we know is close. We are getting closer every day."
Baghdadi had reportedly been seriously injured in a Iraqi airstrike in October.
The leader is thought to constantly move between Isil's strongholds of Raqqa, northeastern Syria, and Mosul, in Iraq, in a bid to avoid airstrikes.
In the statement titled "Wait for we as well are waiting with you", Bagdadi boasted that the group had fought off advances in both Syria and Iraq.
The militant Sunni Islamist group controls swathes of Iraq and Syria but has come under intensifying military pressure in recent weeks.
On Saturday, Isil suffered a major blow after a US-backed alliance of Syrian Kurds and Arab rebel groups, backed by coalition planes, captured a dam from its fighters, cutting a main supply route of the militants across the Euphrates.
Colonel Talal Selo said the rapid advance overnight by thousands of troops from the Democratic Forces of Syria had brought the dam, 15 miles upstream from the militants' de facto capital Raqqa, under their control on Saturday afternoon.
Since the US-backed alliance was formed last October, its fighters have opened several major offensives against Islamic State with the ultimate goal of capturing Raqqa.
 
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Will people be forced to take the mark, ...


No, they WEREN'T. That edict was only enforced by the Romans in the 1st Century to buy and sell at a certain marketplace.
 
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