Ezekiel Temple vision, Ezekiel 40-48, a millennial temple?

[VCO]

I just can't believe my hears. I think you missed the boat:

. . .

Me neither.

Look how many hits I got when I did a search for "earth receive her King":











ZERO. I guess that line is ONLY IN THE SONG.


AND YOU would rather trust what lyrics of a song say, than what GOD SAID through the PROPHET ZACHARIAH,
14:9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

Luke 1:32 (NKJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give {Future Tense} Him the throne of His father David.

Acts 2:30-35 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Since he was a prophet, he knew that God had sworn an oath to him to seat one of his descendants on his throne.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Seeing this in advance, he spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah: He was not left in Hades, and His flesh did not experience decay.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] “God has resurrected this Jesus. We are all witnesses of this.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Therefore, since He has been exalted to the right hand of God and has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit, He has poured out what you both see and hear.
[SUP]34 [/SUP] For it was not David who ascended into the heavens, but he himself says: The Lord declared to my Lord, ‘Sit at My right hand
[SUP]35 [/SUP] until I make Your enemies Your footstool.’ {STILL Future Tense}

Revelation 20:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. {AFTER THE TRIBULATION IS OVER HIS POSITION AS KING OF THE WORLD FINALLY BECOME PRESENT TENSE, Just like Zachariah said.}

Here is a HINT for you, Do not base your theology on the lyrics of a song, they often can be unbiblical.

YES, Jesus is the rightful Heir to the Throne of David, but the Coronation is not until AFTER SATAN IS CAST INTO THE PIT.

John 14:30 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] I will not talk with you much longer, because the ruler of the world is coming. He has no power over Me.

1 John 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Luke 4:5-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] So he took Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] The Devil said to Him, “I will give You their splendor and all this authority, because it has been given over to me, and I can give it to anyone I want.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] If You, then, will worship me, all will be Yours.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And Jesus answered him, “It is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”

SEE, it is always better to build your theology on what the Word of GOD says, and NOT on the lyrics of songs.

 

[Kerry]

I love it when people bring up theology because its what you think.

 

[Timeline]

And you didn't emphasize Ezek 12:27 for what reason?

Eze 12:27 Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, The vision that he seeth is for many days to come, and he prophesieth of the times that are far off.

Because of verse 28, where God says they were wrong!

 

[Timeline]

one can even add.

Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

I knew that verse, but wasn't sure where it was.

 

[Timeline]

Thats the problem I have with it. God did not accept sacrifice and burnt offerin gin the ot as a means to forgive sin, it was just a vision of what was to come, so when Christ came, they would know who he was and what he would do.

So there is no need to sacrifice in the millennium. God is not going to go around killing animals, when he has restored the animal kingdom to what it was before the fall (where the lion and lamb sleep together in peace)

I realize that I'm not giving any help here, but, here's this verse:

[SUP]22 [/SUP]What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; [SUP]24 [/SUP]take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purifying himself along with them, went into the temple giving notice of the completion of the days of purification, until the sacrifice was offered for each one of them.

I have always wondered why Paul was involved with this. I am not suggesting that Paul sinned here. I just don't understand why this happened.

I don't believe this directly applies to the topic at hand, but it appears that this sacrifice was made after Jesus' death and resurrection.

I have not read past post #48, so I apologize if y'all already covered this.

 

[jahsoul]

I realize that I'm not giving any help here, but, here's this verse:

[SUP]22 [/SUP]What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; [SUP]24 [/SUP]take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purifying himself along with them, went into the temple giving notice of the completion of the days of purification, until the sacrifice was offered for each one of them.

I have always wondered why Paul was involved with this. I am not suggesting that Paul sinned here. I just don't understand why this happened.

I don't believe this directly applies to the topic at hand, but it appears that this sacrifice was made after Jesus' death and resurrection.

I have not read past post #48, so I apologize if y'all already covered this.

To explain the situation (looking at it in context), it was said that while speaking to a mixed crowd (those who practice Judaism and those who didn't), Paul would tell everyone to "forsake Moses," don't circumcise your kids or follow the customers (although while reading his letters, we know this to mean that none of that brought salvation). Afraid that Paul would be killed over this, the leader in Jerusalem told Paul to go to the temple with the 4 guys at the end of their (assumed Nazarite) vow, and purify himself with them and pay for their haircuts.

And it doesn't directly apply..lol. The temple was still up and sacrifices were still being performed

 

[VCO]

I knew that verse, but wasn't sure where it was.

May I suggest some FREE software that will help you find those verses very quickly.

WORDsearch Basic, and it is FREE, and there are over 200 FREE books that can be added to the Library, after you have the Basic Program installed. That includes about 6 versions of the BIBLE, including the fairly NEW Translation, Holman's Christian Standard Bible, (HCSB). It is the BEST Bible Software program that I have ever used, and I have tried, just about all of them.
It is a snap to learn how to use it, because under HELP, they have a link to online Training Videos.

https://www.wordsearchbible.com/basic

 

[Bookends]

HE DOESN'T EVEN FIT INTO THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, THUS HE TRULY IS "THEE I AM", OMNIPRESENT IN ALL TIME AT THE SAME TIME. AMAZING HOW ALMOST ALL HUMAN BEINGS WANT TO TRY TO MAKE GOD FIT INTO A BOX, ESPECIALLY A BOX WE CALL TIME.

As for your argument about the Second Temple, there is ONE EVENT that blows your whole argument clean out of the water.


Matthew 27:51 (ESV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.

I'm talking about God's skekinah glory, look it up!

 

[Bookends]

Me neither.

Look how many hits I got when I did a search for "earth receive her King":











ZERO. I guess that line is ONLY IN THE SONG.


AND YOU would rather trust what lyrics of a song say, than what GOD SAID through the PROPHET ZACHARIAH,
14:9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

Luke 1:32 (NKJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give {Future Tense} Him the throne of His father David.

Acts 2:30-35 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Since he was a prophet, he knew that God had sworn an oath to him to seat one of his descendants on his throne.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Seeing this in advance, he spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah: He was not left in Hades, and His flesh did not experience decay.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] “God has resurrected this Jesus. We are all witnesses of this.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Therefore, since He has been exalted to the right hand of God and has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit, He has poured out what you both see and hear.
[SUP]34 [/SUP] For it was not David who ascended into the heavens, but he himself says: The Lord declared to my Lord, ‘Sit at My right hand
[SUP]35 [/SUP] until I make Your enemies Your footstool.’ {STILL Future Tense}

Revelation 20:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. {AFTER THE TRIBULATION IS OVER HIS POSITION AS KING OF THE WORLD FINALLY BECOME PRESENT TENSE, Just like Zachariah said.}

Here is a HINT for you, Do not base your theology on the lyrics of a song, they often can be unbiblical.

YES, Jesus is the rightful Heir to the Throne of David, but the Coronation is not until AFTER SATAN IS CAST INTO THE PIT.

John 14:30 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] I will not talk with you much longer, because the ruler of the world is coming. He has no power over Me.

1 John 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Luke 4:5-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] So he took Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] The Devil said to Him, “I will give You their splendor and all this authority, because it has been given over to me, and I can give it to anyone I want.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] If You, then, will worship me, all will be Yours.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And Jesus answered him, “It is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”

SEE, it is always better to build your theology on what the Word of GOD says, and NOT on the lyrics of songs.

Have you ever read Romans 13? Who put all the world leaders in power? Now whatever your answer is, it is that answer who is above these worldly leaders.

 

[Bookends]

Me neither.

Look how many hits I got when I did a search for "earth receive her King":











ZERO. I guess that line is ONLY IN THE SONG.


AND YOU would rather trust what lyrics of a song say, than what GOD SAID through the PROPHET ZACHARIAH,
14:9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

Luke 1:32 (NKJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give {Future Tense} Him the throne of His father David.

Acts 2:30-35 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Since he was a prophet, he knew that God had sworn an oath to him to seat one of his descendants on his throne.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Seeing this in advance, he spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah: He was not left in Hades, and His flesh did not experience decay.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] “God has resurrected this Jesus. We are all witnesses of this.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Therefore, since He has been exalted to the right hand of God and has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit, He has poured out what you both see and hear.
[SUP]34 [/SUP] For it was not David who ascended into the heavens, but he himself says: The Lord declared to my Lord, ‘Sit at My right hand
[SUP]35 [/SUP] until I make Your enemies Your footstool.’ {STILL Future Tense}

Revelation 20:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. {AFTER THE TRIBULATION IS OVER HIS POSITION AS KING OF THE WORLD FINALLY BECOME PRESENT TENSE, Just like Zachariah said.}

Here is a HINT for you, Do not base your theology on the lyrics of a song, they often can be unbiblical.

YES, Jesus is the rightful Heir to the Throne of David, but the Coronation is not until AFTER SATAN IS CAST INTO THE PIT.

John 14:30 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] I will not talk with you much longer, because the ruler of the world is coming. He has no power over Me.

1 John 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Luke 4:5-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] So he took Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] The Devil said to Him, “I will give You their splendor and all this authority, because it has been given over to me, and I can give it to anyone I want.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] If You, then, will worship me, all will be Yours.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And Jesus answered him, “It is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”

SEE, it is always better to build your theology on what the Word of GOD says, and NOT on the lyrics of songs.

Rulers and Kings can still rule while having enemies rise up against...The of all the revolutions in the world's history.

 

[john832]

um. So the prophesy of Jesus first comming, was supposed to be about his second coming? or the prophesy of his second coming, was supposed to be about his first coming?


Everything in the first part of the chapter in Zecheriah was symbolic. it is foolish to think what occurd after COULD not be also.
Sorry, what you just said makes no sense, and does not prove your point.

Sure, this is a two part event. The second coming is in actuality a continuation of the first coming. From Christ's own words...

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Now why did He stop reading just there, close the book, and sit down?

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence. Now the passage He quoted continues...

and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

He came the first time to complete Isa 61:1-2 but not all of verse 2. When He returns, He will complete verse 2 and forward through verse 7.

Type and antitype.

 

[Timeline]

To explain the situation (looking at it in context), it was said that while speaking to a mixed crowd (those who practice Judaism and those who didn't), Paul would tell everyone to "forsake Moses," don't circumcise your kids or follow the customers (although while reading his letters, we know this to mean that none of that brought salvation). Afraid that Paul would be killed over this, the leader in Jerusalem told Paul to go to the temple with the 4 guys at the end of their (assumed Nazarite) vow, and purify himself with them and pay for their haircuts.

And it doesn't directly apply..lol. The temple was still up and sacrifices were still being performed

Yes, I realize that the temple was still standing, but it would seem to me that Paul would not be involved in animal sacrifice after Jesus' death and resurrection. Why did he agree to this? I understand your answer, but I don't think that I, given the situation, could have done this with the realization that Paul had. Again, I am not saying that Paul sinned. On the contrary, I think that I am missing something - besides the answer you just gave. Paul was not afraid to die. In fact, he tells us that he wanted to be released from his earthly body so that he could be with God.

No, I don't think that Paul would agree to this just because some else was afraid that he would die.

 

[Straightshot]

My comments


The preterists against the experts with shabby Bible knowledge

What a crap shoot for all on the forum to see

All know .... but all don't know

And statements like this:

"Told ya !!!
Post 112, Straightshot is already trying to pass that off."

Pathetic stuff above

All wrangling over what they think they know

Not good

What does Jesus Christ think about all of this gas bag dancing?

 

[JGIG]

Yes, I realize that the temple was still standing, but it would seem to me that Paul would not be involved in animal sacrifice after Jesus' death and resurrection. Why did he agree to this? I understand your answer, but I don't think that I, given the situation, could have done this with the realization that Paul had. Again, I am not saying that Paul sinned. On the contrary, I think that I am missing something - besides the answer you just gave. Paul was not afraid to die. In fact, he tells us that he wanted to be released from his earthly body so that he could be with God.

No, I don't think that Paul would agree to this just because some else was afraid that he would die.

It's helpful to remember that the book of Acts is an historical account, and not primarily a book from which to derive doctrine. Simply put, it's an account of what actually happened, not necessarily what should have happened in the fledgling Body of Christ.

The Temple was still standing, God giving Israel a generation (about 40 years between the Crucifixion and the destruction of the Temple) to transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. The letter to the Hebrews was a clarification of the Old Covenant inferiority in the light of the Reality of Christ and the vastly superior New Covenant established in His Blood, Resurrection, Ascension, and Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood. "What is old and is passing away . . . " refers to the eventual destruction of the center of Old Covenant practices - which still stood at the time of its writing - the Temple and the Levitical priesthood. God allowed for a poignant end to the Old covenantal system, and established the New permanently, with a permanent High Priest from the Tribe of Judah authorized by an oath from God and by the power of an indestructible Life (see Hebrews 7-10).

I believe Paul's action was in response to pressure from those in authority in the Body in Jerusalem - he was deferring to their concerns to avoid offense. His statements elsewhere about being all things to all people in order to win some could apply here, though this would have been a good place to take a stand for the finished Work of Christ. Again, Acts is not a collection of perfect actions held up as an example, but an account of the very earliest days of the acts of the Apostles and of the effects of the Gospel of Grace.

Also of note is that Paul never actually participated in the offering of sacrifices. He was arrested instead. Providential intervention? Perhaps.

It is clear from the letters from which we ARE to learn doctrine that Christ was the Perfect, Final Sacrifice, once for all and that the Body did not participate in sacrifices.

Sacrifices in the Millennium (if it's a literal time period at all)? No way! Jesus is our Perfect, Permanent High Priest, from the tribe of Judah. For Him to administrate such practices would be illegal.

Sacrifices in a Tribulation period (again, if such a period of time is literal)? Probably - but they won't be initiated by God, for Christ was the Final and Perfect Sacrifice once for all. Such practices would be an abomination. If sacrifices happen in a literal Tribulation period, they will be both initiated and stopped by an anti-Christ spirit - illegal acts from a false authority working to deceive.

As Bookends stated earlier, unrevealed prophecy must be measured by revealed Truths.

Consider the following:

• Who Christ is
• What He came to do
• What that actually accomplished, and
• Who believers are in Him

When one has a grasp on those truths, falsehoods tend to fall away, like the silly notion that believers will be offering sacrifices at ANY time with Christ overseeing it all! It's unthinkable after a straight read-through of Hebrews 7-10!


Try not to get hung up on Paul's actions in Acts 21 - again, remember that it is more of a history than a template for doctrine.

-JGIG

 

[john832]

It's helpful to remember that the book of Acts is an historical account, and not primarily a book from which to derive doctrine. Simply put, it's an account of what actually happened, not necessarily what should have happened in the fledgling Body of Christ.

The Temple was still standing, God giving Israel a generation (about 40 years between the Crucifixion and the destruction of the Temple) to transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. The letter to the Hebrews was a clarification of the Old Covenant inferiority in the light of the Reality of Christ and the vastly superior New Covenant established in His Blood, Resurrection, Ascension, and Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood. "What is old and is passing away . . . " refers to the eventual destruction of the center of Old Covenant practices - which still stood at the time of its writing - the Temple and the Levitical priesthood. God allowed for a poignant end to the Old covenantal system, and established the New permanently, with a permanent High Priest from the Tribe of Judah authorized by an oath from God and by the power of an indestructible Life (see Hebrews 7-10).

I believe Paul's action was in response to pressure from those in authority in the Body in Jerusalem - he was deferring to their concerns to avoid offense. His statements elsewhere about being all things to all people in order to win some could apply here, though this would have been a good place to take a stand for the finished Work of Christ. Again, Acts is not a collection of perfect actions held up as an example, but an account of the very earliest days of the acts of the Apostles and of the effects of the Gospel of Grace.

Also of note is that Paul never actually participated in the offering of sacrifices. He was arrested instead. Providential intervention? Perhaps.

It is clear from the letters from which we ARE to learn doctrine that Christ was the Perfect, Final Sacrifice, once for all and that the Body did not participate in sacrifices.

Sacrifices in the Millennium (if it's a literal time period at all)? No way! Jesus is our Perfect, Permanent High Priest, from the tribe of Judah. For Him to administrate such practices would be illegal.

Sacrifices in a Tribulation period (again, if such a period of time is literal)? Probably - but they won't be initiated by God, for Christ was the Final and Perfect Sacrifice once for all. Such practices would be an abomination. If sacrifices happen in a literal Tribulation period, they will be both initiated and stopped by an anti-Christ spirit - illegal acts from a false authority working to deceive.

As Bookends stated earlier, unrevealed prophecy must be measured by revealed Truths.

Consider the following:

• Who Christ is
• What He came to do
• What that actually accomplished, and
• Who believers are in Him

When one has a grasp on those truths, falsehoods tend to fall away, like the silly notion that believers will be offering sacrifices at ANY time with Christ overseeing it all! It's unthinkable after a straight read-through of Hebrews 7-10!


Try not to get hung up on Paul's actions in Acts 21 - again, remember that it is more of a history than a template for doctrine.

-JGIG

Telling someone to disregard the book of Acts is pretty bold, especially in light of...

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[VCO]

Rulers and Kings can still rule while having enemies rise up against...The of all the revolutions in the world's history.

Zechariah 14:1-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] On that day, Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] All the land from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem will be changed into a plain. But ⌊Jerusalem⌋ will be raised up and will remain on its site from the Benjamin Gate to the place of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] This will be the plague the LORD strikes all the peoples with, who have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] On that day a great panic from the LORD will be among them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Judah will also fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected: gold, silver, and clothing in great abundance.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The same plague as the previous one will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the animals that are in those camps.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths. {Who was it that said that Temple Worship and Celebration of the Feasts in the Kingdom was apostasy?}
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] On that day, ⌊the words⌋ HOLY TO THE LORD will be on the bells of the horses. The pots in the house of the LORD will be like the sprinkling basins before the altar.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of Hosts. Everyone who sacrifices will come and take some of the pots to cook in. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of Hosts.

Revelation 19:6-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Then I heard something like the voice of a vast multitude, like the sound of cascading waters, and like the rumbling of loud thunder, saying: Hallelujah, because our Lord God, the Almighty, has begun to reign!
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Let us be glad, rejoice, and give Him glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has prepared herself.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] She was given fine linen to wear, bright and pure. For the fine linen represents the righteous acts of the saints.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then he said to me, “Write: Those invited to the marriage feast of the Lamb are fortunate!” He also said to me, “These words of God are true.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow slave with you and your brothers who have the testimony about Jesus. Worship God, because the testimony about Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I saw heaven opened, and there was a white horse. Its rider is called Faithful and True, and He judges and makes war in righteousness.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] His eyes were like a fiery flame, and many crowns were on His head. He had a name written that no one knows except Himself.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] He wore a robe stained with blood, and His name is the Word of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The armies that were in heaven followed Him on white horses, wearing pure white linen.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] A sharp sword came from His mouth, so that He might strike the nations with it. He will shepherd them with an iron scepter. He will also trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God, the Almighty.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: KING OF KINGSAND LORD OF LORDS.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then I saw an angel standing on the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice, saying to all the birds flying high overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] so that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and against His army.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But the beast was taken prisoner, and along with him the false prophet, who had performed the signs in his presence. He deceived those who accepted the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image with these signs. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
[SUP]21[/SUP] The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

How Many Kings of the Earth does that leave?

Have you always had trouble believing what GOD has said in HIS WORD?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Telling someone to disregard the book of Acts is pretty bold, especially in light of...

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The problem with studying the millennium in Ezekiel and other places is a failure of people to consider dispensational elements integral to the millennium and facets of the Lord's distinct plan for Israel, through to its culmination. It can't be studied with prejudice, just as doctors of the law couldn't perceive grace and the church age, through colored glasses.

 

[JGIG]

It's helpful to remember that the book of Acts is an historical account, and not primarily a book from which to derive doctrine. Simply put, it's an account of what actually happened, not necessarily what should have happened in the fledgling Body of Christ.

The Temple was still standing, God giving Israel a generation (about 40 years between the Crucifixion and the destruction of the Temple) to transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. The letter to the Hebrews was a clarification of the Old Covenant inferiority in the light of the Reality of Christ and the vastly superior New Covenant established in His Blood, Resurrection, Ascension, and Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood. "What is old and is passing away . . . " refers to the eventual destruction of the center of Old Covenant practices - which still stood at the time of its writing - the Temple and the Levitical priesthood. God allowed for a poignant end to the Old covenantal system, and established the New permanently, with a permanent High Priest from the Tribe of Judah authorized by an oath from God and by the power of an indestructible Life (see Hebrews 7-10).

I believe Paul's action was in response to pressure from those in authority in the Body in Jerusalem - he was deferring to their concerns to avoid offense. His statements elsewhere about being all things to all people in order to win some could apply here, though this would have been a good place to take a stand for the finished Work of Christ. Again, Acts is not a collection of perfect actions held up as an example, but an account of the very earliest days of the acts of the Apostles and of the effects of the Gospel of Grace.

Also of note is that Paul never actually participated in the offering of sacrifices. He was arrested instead. Providential intervention? Perhaps.

It is clear from the letters from which we ARE to learn doctrine that Christ was the Perfect, Final Sacrifice, once for all and that the Body did not participate in sacrifices.

Sacrifices in the Millennium (if it's a literal time period at all)? No way! Jesus is our Perfect, Permanent High Priest, from the tribe of Judah. For Him to administrate such practices would be illegal.

Sacrifices in a Tribulation period (again, if such a period of time is literal)? Probably - but they won't be initiated by God, for Christ was the Final and Perfect Sacrifice once for all. Such practices would be an abomination. If sacrifices happen in a literal Tribulation period, they will be both initiated and stopped by an anti-Christ spirit - illegal acts from a false authority working to deceive.

As Bookends stated earlier, unrevealed prophecy must be measured by revealed Truths.

Consider the following:

• Who Christ is
• What He came to do
• What that actually accomplished, and
• Who believers are in Him

When one has a grasp on those truths, falsehoods tend to fall away, like the silly notion that believers will be offering sacrifices at ANY time with Christ overseeing it all! It's unthinkable after a straight read-through of Hebrews 7-10!


Try not to get hung up on Paul's actions in Acts 21 - again, remember that it is more of a history than a template for doctrine.

-JGIG

Telling someone to disregard the book of Acts is pretty bold, especially in light of...

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

I did no such thing; you're making that up.

We are called to rightly divide the Word of God. Understanding that a sacrificial system is NEVER coming back because of the Once-for-all, Perfect Sacrifice of Christ and the Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood of Christ is rightly dividing.

Can SOME doctrine be derived from the book of Acts? Yes. Take Acts 15, for example, where it is made clear that the yoke of Moses should not be put on believers. But MUCH of the book of Acts is simply historical record. There's no disregarding anything, but a recognition of what is actually written and its proper application.

-JGIG

 

[john832]

It's helpful to remember that the book of Acts is an historical account, and not primarily a book from which to derive doctrine. Simply put, it's an account of what actually happened, not necessarily what should have happened in the fledgling Body of Christ.


Try not to get hung up on Paul's actions in Acts 21 - again, remember that it is more of a history than a template for doctrine.

-JGIG

she said no such thing.

 

[JesusIsAll]

How Many Kings of the Earth does that leave?

Have you always had trouble believing what GOD has said in HIS WORD?

While this is true at Armageddon, the millennium will, actually, not be complete perfection. There will be longevity of those in the flesh, but still death, Isaiah 65:20, and there are a number of places the heathen are referred to as still in existence, nations capable of kicking against the rod of iron of Christ's rule, Zecharian 14:17-18. So, there remains a limited autonomy at large in the nations. That Satan can cause a massive rebellion at the end of the millennium, Gog and Magog, is further proof of an existence of heathen malcontents.