F.B.I. Confirms a Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings - active shooters

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hornetguy

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your right, I meant automatic..lol. I have a few semi’s myself.. I did nto have enough coffee when I wrot that..lol I have an old Russian pre AK, Have not shot it yet. I would love to get the second one. Just because I love to shoot.
I was pretty sure you meant "automatic".... but there are a LOT of people out there who do not know the difference, which is why I posted those pictures...

I have had at least two people at work in the last day or so say "there is NO reason for anyone to have one of THOSE rifles"....

Your post explains exactly why they are wrong.... The auto-loading rifles are simply fun to shoot. And they are usually pretty accurate, and they lend themselves to modifications easily (usually). They can be used for plinking, target shooting, shooting competitions, hunting, and self defense. They are also THE go-to firearm in the remote possibility of civil unrest/militia-type use.

None of this is to try to minimize the horror of a school shooting. I think we should do everything in our power to prevent that from ever happening again.

But common sense has to be the driving force behind reform, not emotional over-reaction due to grief.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I was pretty sure you meant "automatic".... but there are a LOT of people out there who do not know the difference, which is why I posted those pictures...

I have had at least two people at work in the last day or so say "there is NO reason for anyone to have one of THOSE rifles"....

Your post explains exactly why they are wrong.... The auto-loading rifles are simply fun to shoot. And they are usually pretty accurate, and they lend themselves to modifications easily (usually). They can be used for plinking, target shooting, shooting competitions, hunting, and self defense. They are also THE go-to firearm in the remote possibility of civil unrest/militia-type use.

None of this is to try to minimize the horror of a school shooting. I think we should do everything in our power to prevent that from ever happening again.

But common sense has to be the driving force behind reform, not emotional over-reaction due to grief.
I think you hit every reason people use them, And I agree.

Thats why when I here the word gun control. I cringe, the liberals would love to take all our guns and leave us defensless.. When they are true cause of the issues to begin with. (I have already heard people say this is trumps fault, it just boggled my mind)
 

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Legislation cannot change human behavior, instead of ranting and raving abt gun control or blaming the president, why not parcel out the blame more equitably.

Like...the young man's parents? Classmates who saw his posts (complete with weapons? Teachers who must have seen indications of maladjustment ? His friends?
 

JaumeJ

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For what it is worth........

Mass Public Shootings per Decade
1900s : 0
1910s: 2
1920s: 2
1930s: 9
1940s: 8
1950s: 1
1960s: 6
1970s: 13
1980s: 32
1990s: 42
2000s: 28
2010s (three years): 14
 
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Legislation cannot change human behavior, instead of ranting and raving abt gun control or blaming the president, why not parcel out the blame more equitably.

Like...the young man's parents? Classmates who saw his posts (complete with weapons? Teachers who must have seen indications of maladjustment ? His friends?
I read on our local news web page this morning that an email was sent telling the cool not to let this person in with a back pack. The problem is, Even with that. What is going to stop it..
 

davida

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Really nothing. It can only be dealt with in an individual manner, which puts the responsibility on us.

We all know youngsters that are in trouble or experiencing difficult it's or just plain acting crazy.

As followers of Jesus, WE are those who should be interviening, that is our mandate to share the gospel, the only true hope.

But sadly most would cross the street rather than walk by some kid outfitted at Hot Topic, let alone try to share Jesus.
 

JaumeJ

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As per this age, things will only worsen. If you examine the world finances, the movers and the shakers, and the series of burps in the wordl economy, you will discover that no matter how many times errors are made, they are being made again and again.

You see once greed was declared good in the world financial arena, so the evil techniques began and proliferate.

jUST A QUICK ONCE-OVER OF the various plans for retirement fro Keough to the 401K, how they failed and continue to should be enough for any level headed person to exit the way of man and money and keep his eye on what is coming.

Appareently this is not enough for the greedy. No matter how many times their own evi approach to finance fail, they continue on their dark path to destruction

Do not believe me, but do watch as you wait. Of course God is in total control, but most of what is to come about which is prophesied will be because of man while God's active endeavor will begin soon in the evil times to come.
 
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What is the biblical answer to this sin (2 Chronicles 7:14)?
Actually it's Gen. 6:5. (Come on now. Are you really suggesting Christians haven't humbled themselves, prayed and seek the Lord's face? Rather an arrogant stance, isn't it? To think you alone do that. Also kills humble all together.)

But if you want to know what's changed in America, it was an intentional shift made in the last 40+ years. Before that, even though America was not a Christian nation, Americans had "Christian values." "Do unto others" and "Ask not what America can do for you. Ask what you can do for America" were the values of everyday man. Now it's been two generations of children raised not to believe in God, not to care for what others want, only care about yourself. The first generation was taught this in school only. The second generation was taught this in school and at home.

America, as a nation, has been indoctrinated into "love self only." AND, it worked.
 
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All these'd would deplete if people stopped having licensce to guns on a whim. This legal-to-have-a-gun thing is doing a lot more harm than good. Lord, help us.
Actually, that's just media hype you're reading. Americans can't get a gun on a whim. I, for instance, can't buy a gun because I had (past tense) a mental illness. (Suicidal. Not anymore. Also, never was interested in having a gun, so not a problem. lol) No one who has had a mental illness can get a gun. No criminal is allowed a gun, even ex-cons. Children can't get guns.

Add to that, it is already illegal to shoot at another person (unless your a solider at war.) It is illegal to use a gun during a crime, to the point that a getaway driver gets the same sentence as the rest of the armed robbers. It is illegal to shoot a gun within X amount of feet from other people or dwellings. (I don't know how far away because I live in a city, so my neighbors are literally on the other side of the wall from me, and even though we have backyards, the next neighbor's door across the alley from me is 36 feet away, so guns are just illegal to shoot anywhere around me. lol)

We have gone over-the-top in laws, and yet we are also over-the-top in shootings -- including in war-torn countries. (More people were killed in Chicago last week then in the war we have in Afghanistan last week. Oh, and, btw, Chicago has the strictest gun-laws in our country.)

AND, this country comes complete with the right to bear arms, specifically because people used guns all the time up until about 50-100 years ago to eat. (I grew up eating game five nights a week, and store-bought food the other two nights.) And, since this country was founded by a revolution against tyranny, the founding fathers made sure we had guns, in case we needed to revolt again. One of them, (Thomas Jefferson) thought we'd need a new one about once every 20 years.

We were a gun-loving country before people took to mass shootings and serial killers. We were responsible. So, can't blame guns. Got to blame people.
 
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Here on the farm we have quite a few firearms. They have always fallen in the category of "tools". Not weapons. As a boy growing up we always had access to guns. We would collect bottles out of the ditch on our walk to the store. We didn't buy candy....we bought ammunition (43 cents for a box of .22s) I was eleven years old. There was no such thing as a "school shooting", nor any talk of gun control. In places where guns are controlled, the motor vehicle seems to be the weapon of choice.....yes...weapon. What a person chooses to use to kill his fellow man has little to do with the act itself. A person bent on killing will always find the means to do so. Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, yet it does little to prevent the highest murder rate of any city. So what is so different now from back then ?? The answer is one that people don't want to hear, and is only three words.........PUT GOD FIRST. First in government, courts and education......Nope.....will never happen........So try to control the guns ; an act of pure futility (eg. alcohol, marijuana etc.) Or teach our youth respect and faith in God......as Christians we need to pray for a healing in our country.....and leave with God.
Actually, hubby read something yesterday written by a guy of our generation. He said they had a mass shooting in his high school in the early 70s. It just didn't make the front page or the national news.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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i think if every able minded person without a criminal history had a gun


these shooters could be dealt with easier


the worst thing to do
is take guns from the public

and make it so only criminals and police have them


at least give the teachers mental evaluations and a gun

if not

then more money to school for higher security

(mentions schools because kids shouldnt have guns and need to be protected... also this recent rise of shootings has seemed to be more directed at schools)
 
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History and current legislation in other civilised countries prove the OPPOSITE, actually, so you gun lobbyists are not only lying to yourselves, but everyone else you engage in with!
Yeah, history proves it for you. Ummmm, you do live in Northern Ireland, right? Isn't that the country whose history includes over 400 years of violence against the English?

Good thing your civilized gun laws stopped that history. Whew!

Stop lying to yourself too.
 
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Nobody of those teachers and students were protecting themeselves with guns, so this theory does not work.

People kill people, but with guns freely given to everybody, people can kill much more other people than with bare hands.
Prove guns are freely given to Americans. Yeesh!

Media hype really has you fooled. Do you also believe women are having extra terrestrial babies here too?
 
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He is saying that if there were no guns, then murders would likely resort to explosives.... bombs.

This is what Timothy McVeigh did in Oklahoma City, with a van loaded with a homemade fertilizer bomb.... 168 people dead, with scores more injured.

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Trofimus,

And here are pictures of other atrocities in American without the need for a gun.



 
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I suppose that buying a gun in a legal store is not comparable to buying a dynamite, C4, semtex and other explosives. Or is it, in the USA? Then, something is really not OK.
You can't just go off and buy a gun in a legal store. Well, you can, but you won't be leaving that store with the gun. Nor will you be receiving it until a background check is done. Can you just go buy a gun in a store and walk out with it?
 
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So many red herrings, it is impossible to know where to start!

First, gun control would NEVER take guns away from people who legitimately need them. Like farmers to protect their herds and flocks against coyotes or wolves. Or bears! Gun control means limiting weapons which are military grade, especially, have large munition clips or capacity for mass killing. Why would anyone need those?

Second, to the lie that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people,” of course people are behind the trigger. But in every country that has limited the use of guns, there are NO mass murderers. Australia being the perfect example. They banned weapons in 1996, (not for people who need them like ranchers!) and NO mass murders since then.

Still, the past five years have brought some additional clarity. And one core fact has remained strikingly unchanged: In the 18 years before Port Arthur, Australia witnessed 13 mass shootings, defined as shootings in which five or more people were killed. In the 21 years since, there have been none.”

Did gun control stop mass shootings in Australia? Probably.

Japan the same! They banned guns, and in some years they have NO gun deaths in the whole country.

The madmen and angry people DO still get ahold of weapons. But, a knife might hurt or maim one or two people before they are disarmed. Not 17 like today, or over 50 in Las Vegas a while back. (Oh, that mass shooting really hurt business, Canadians are not going there in droves like they used to!)

Third, the US constitution does NOT give the right to bear arms for every person who decides they need an automatic or semiautomatic, or even a one shot at a time weapon. The reason for the right to bear arms was for a “militia!” Not one of the recent shootings (any??) had a thing to do with defending the country from either outsiders or your own government.

Fourth, speaking of defending yourself from your own government, I mean, really?? REALLY??

Fifth, stop blaming gun violence on the apostasy from God. I have no doubt people are 100% right about how our societies have fallen away from God, and how terrible it is. But, Canada is well ahead of you on this, we are a secular, pagan nation, I am sad to say, but we do not have mass murders like the US. And if there are shootings, it is usually with weapons purchased in the US and smuggled into Canada. Or, against our Mounties who are trying to capture a criminal, and they do have guns, but sadly are sometimes unable to kill the shooter first. I am sure things would be much worse here, if guns were readily accessible.

Japan is and always was, a non-Christian nation. Yet, they banned guns and no gun deaths some years, and below 10 in others! And that is not mass shootings, but one on one shootings.

Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret? If you want to buy a gun in Japan you need patience and determination. You have to attend an all-day class, take a written exam and pass a shooting-range test with a mark of at least 95%.
There are also mental health and drugs tests. Your criminal record is checked and police look for links to extremist groups. Then they check your relatives too - and even your work colleagues. And as well as having the power to deny gun licences, police also have sweeping powers to search and seize weapons.
That's not all. Handguns are banned outright. Only shotguns and air rifles are allowed.
The law restricts the number of gun shops. In most of Japan's 40 or so prefectures there can be no more than three, and you can only buy fresh cartridges by returning the spent cartridges you bought on your last visit.”

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Sixth, we have psychotrophic drugs in Canada, too! But, because of limited access to guns, no one is getting shot in schools, or at a music festival. Same for all the other countries in the western world.

Cop out after cop out!


I am sitting watching TV in a restaurant outside Seattle Washington right now. The coverage of the incident in Florida is dominating the news. It is horrible to see the broken people, who have lived through this tragedy that were on the site of the shooting. Yet, no mention of the one solution that could stop this holocaust. Ban the guns that cause this. Shut down gun sellers and conventions and fairs that don’t do background checks. Limit access to guns to people with proper training and a use for them, who have had background checks for mental illness (Overturn HIPA on this! Protecting lives are more important than the mentally ill having access to guns!)

And most important, stop this culture of guns! Stop justifying and rationalizing garbage like “guns don’t kill people.” Try telling that to the parents of one of those 17 people who died yesterday. Any American who rationalizes that “guns don’t kill people” is complicit in these mass shootings, as far as I can see. That is NRA propaganda, pure and simple!

I think JB said, “every other civilized country that has gun control” and I heartily concur. Gun control could be the start to stopping this slaughter, especially in schools. But, if you keep up this culture of death, no revival in the world is going to stop the madmen, the disaffected, the angry from buying a gun that can shoot fast and hard, and thousands of innocents being killed.
So my father shouldn't have had guns because he was a chemical engineer, not a farmer or herder? Dinner would have been skimpy when I was a child.

So, my brother shouldn't have a gun, because he's a financial planner? I guess that means more squirrels and deer in NJ. lol

And Australians can't have guns unless they're rancher or herders? Can't wait to see what will happen with that rabbit population explosion they keep fighting goes in 10-20 years. You know, rabbits? They multiply like rabbits. lol

Yeah, really bad logic.
 
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I grew up in a house where there was a loaded gun over every door in the house. There were eight children in the house. None of us ever took a gun down unless we were going hunting, or there was a threat to our livestock. We were taught gun safety and how to properly use every gun in the house from the time we were old enough to hold it. Our friends came from similar homes so there were no problems.

By the time my children were in high school, the guns were stored on a rack in my bedroom closet. We started that when one of my oldest child's friend took one off the door rack. Today, they are kept in a locked safe, or a mounted lock box. Things have changed. Very few young people, who have access to guns, know how to properly handle them.

I'll be honest with you. I wouldn't give, trade or sell one of my guns to most of the young people that I know. I fully support mandatory gun safety and use education, and a mental health exam of every purchaser.
Most of the mass-shooters lately had that mental health exam, and failed. I guess that didn't work.

(Personally, I think anyone who shoots another person -- other than a soldier or cop -- is crazy, however, the law disagrees with me.)
 
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Actually it's Gen. 6:5. (Come on now. Are you really suggesting Christians haven't humbled themselves, prayed and seek the Lord's face? Rather an arrogant stance, isn't it? To think you alone do that. Also kills humble all together.)

But if you want to know what's changed in America, it was an intentional shift made in the last 40+ years. Before that, even though America was not a Christian nation, Americans had "Christian values." "Do unto others" and "Ask not what America can do for you. Ask what you can do for America" were the values of everyday man. Now it's been two generations of children raised not to believe in God, not to care for what others want, only care about yourself. The first generation was taught this in school only. The second generation was taught this in school and at home.

America, as a nation, has been indoctrinated into "love self only." AND, it worked.

This is the wisdom of the world point of view (the flesh).
 

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F.B.I. Confirms a Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings - active shooters

Does this go along with the Sharp Rise in people hearing voices in there heads,
or “the huge increase in demand” for exorcisms, from the rise in demonic activity?