Faith Without Works

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Kerry

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Man, how long will we struggle with this thread after thread. Just goes to show that preachers are not preaching the word of God. Place your faith in the cross and study the writings of Paul. Evidently you preacher is scratching your itching ear. The word gets in your face and steps on your toes. It is sweet in the mouth but once digested its bitter in your stomach. Go to the cross that's where your flesh dies. Feed your spirit by eating the flesh of Christ and drinking His blood. He who has an ear to hear let him hear.
 
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Go to the cross that's where your flesh dies. Feed your spirit by eating the flesh of Christ and drinking His blood. He who has an ear to hear let him hear.
Could not agree with you more. Preach on with this good news......listen to this preacher....
 
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Man, how long will we struggle with this thread after thread. Just goes to show that preachers are not preaching the word of God. Place your faith in the cross and study the writings of Paul. Evidently you preacher is scratching your itching ear. The word gets in your face and steps on your toes. It is sweet in the mouth but once digested its bitter in your stomach. Go to the cross that's where your flesh dies. Feed your spirit by eating the flesh of Christ and drinking His blood. He who has an ear to hear let him hear.
You said it brother, something is wrong. We need to find out what it is.

I feel led by the spirit to say that something is that we are not hearing the entire word of God. You are saying that is not it, we need to concentrate on the cross. You say that is all we need, I say we need more, we need to know why God gave us the cross and what it means in our life to lead us to the Father. I cannot convince you, for you feel led by God. You cannot convince me because I am only reporting from God not myself. It is enough to bring us all to tears!!! God supply us with your truth!.
 
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Kerry

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You said it brother, something is wrong. We need to find out what it is.

I feel led by the spirit to say that something is that we are not hearing the entire word of God. You are saying that is not it, we need to concentrate on the cross. You say that is all we need, I say we need more, we need to know why God gave us the cross and what it means in our life to lead us to the Father. I cannot convince you, for you feel led by God. You cannot convince me because I am only reporting from God not myself. It is enough to bring us all to tears!!! God supply us with your truth!.
My brother the church has left the cross looking for something more. There is nothing else. what is beyond the cross? It is the ultimate theme of the bible. It is the only way a man can be saved. Everything was and is provided by the cross and nothing else. So why focus on something else?
 
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cfultz3

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My brother the church has left the cross looking for something more. There is nothing else. what is beyond the cross? It is the ultimate theme of the bible. It is the only way a man can be saved. Everything was and is provided by the cross and nothing else. So why focus on something else?
It is the works left behind by that One on the cross which we need to know if we are to be members of that Covenant He brought in through His death. If the Cross is the ultimate theme, which it surely is, then we must know what that Cross conveys. Right?
 
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Kerry

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It is the works left behind by that One on the cross which we need to know if we are to be members of that Covenant He brought in through His death. If the Cross is the ultimate theme, which it surely is, then we must know what that Cross conveys. Right?
The cross conveys this. There is nothing you can do but, accept the cross. Oh and say thank you. Thats it. Can you find something else?
 
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cfultz3

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The cross conveys this. There is nothing you can do but, accept the cross. Oh and say thank you. Thats it. Can you find something else?
So, if one conveys to another those works, he is not preaching the Gospel? The Gospel which says live to God spiritually? The Gospel which says Jesus justified us? Perhaps, I am misunderstand you. Are we to only preach of His death? What about His resurrection? What about what He taught us to do to stand righteously before God?
 
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Kerry

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So, if one conveys to another those works, he is not preaching the Gospel? The Gospel which says live to God spiritually? The Gospel which says Jesus justified us? Perhaps, I am misunderstand you. Are we to only preach of His death? What about His resurrection? What about what He taught us to do to stand righteously before God?
When I say the cross. I am not talking about a wooden beam. Although if someone said they found the actual cross that He was crucified on, people would worship it. My friend, His death did not save us, His suffering did not save us. His resurrection was an open display, that He had conquered death, hell, and the grave. We are to trust in His sacrifice and nothing else. Many say well you must keep law, or you cant be saved until your baptised in water or the Holy Spirit. Jesus paid the price once and for all. All we have to do is accept it and say thank you. Can you tell me something different?
 
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So, if one conveys to another those works, he is not preaching the Gospel? The Gospel which says live to God spiritually? The Gospel which says Jesus justified us? Perhaps, I am misunderstand you. Are we to only preach of His death? What about His resurrection? What about what He taught us to do to stand righteously before God?
The cross is the doorway into GOD's presence. Not just at the moment of salvation; always. He that tries to enter another way is a thief and robber.
 
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The cross is the doorway into GOD's presence. Not just at the moment of salvation; always. He that tries to enter another way is a thief and robber.
When the cross is the entryway to God's presence, how can you say the entryway is everything? We can not get to God without the entryway, but wouldn't our destination be the main thing? What are the attributes of God? What does God say about Himself? Who are we and what is expected of us?

We have a covenant that guards the entryway. The promise of that covenant is that all our sins will be forgiven, we will be wiped absolutely clean supernaturally. We have a part in that covenant, and it is repentance. To repent is to face sin and turn away, turn around, from it. Some say we don't have to face sin, and they use many ways to say this. So they cancel the covenant. They will say faith is all that is required, it is done through faith. God tells us that doing without faith is useless, so they say doing in useless. In other words they cancel the cross.
 
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When I say the cross. I am not talking about a wooden beam. Although if someone said they found the actual cross that He was crucified on, people would worship it. My friend, His death did not save us, His suffering did not save us. His resurrection was an open display, that He had conquered death, hell, and the grave. We are to trust in His sacrifice and nothing else. Many say well you must keep law, or you cant be saved until your baptised in water or the Holy Spirit. Jesus paid the price once and for all. All we have to do is accept it and say thank you. Can you tell me something different?
Yes, I can tell you something different. He, being the sacrifice sent from God, saved us from the curse of the Law, and that curse was death. By His death, we, through faith in Him, shall never see death as those of the Law did. His suffering saved us from the wrath of God. By His suffering, He took God's anger out of the way. We are to trust Him when He said He did what He said He did, and does what He says He does, and will do what He says He will do, and this is the confidence we have in Him.

His death brought in a new Covenant and it is by that Covenant we stand before God righteous. If we neglect the ways of that Covenant, then what Covenant do we remain under, if not the Law. So yes, it is that sacrifice which brought all this in, but we place our confidence in Him in bringing about God's Salvational plan which was laid out as principles of that new Contract. If we only see His death, then we miss out on our victorious King. If we only see Him as the Lamb, then we miss out on Him being our Christ.Yet, it is by that death by which everything else of that Contract is to be adhered to.

So, can I tell you something different then Jesus having paid "the price"? No!!!! But, I can tell you, faith alone saves, but a dead faith saves not. But, there are those who will say that we need works to be righteous before God. Are we then to say only, "Jesus died"? There are those who will say that we can live in habitual sin. Are we then to say only, "Jesus died"? No to both!!! Yet, you say that we are to study Paul. How then can you say that we "preachers" are preaching to our itchy ears when we expound on that death by the same writings of Paul?

Are you saying that there is no need to talk about anything else, that things will fall in place by themselves? Are we not to teach one is to die to the flesh? You say that we die to the flesh by coming to the Cross and you have said well. How then is it different if one teaches that to die to the flesh makes one alive to their spirit and by the Spirit are lead to Live (Jesus)? I teach Jesus put as resurrected. And to have been resurrected, surely He died. If He died, surely He lived. If He lived, surely He came with a message from God. He who has an ear, hearken unto what the Spirit says......By His death, God leads us Home. Praise God, He was raised..Yes?
 
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The cross is the doorway into GOD's presence. Not just at the moment of salvation; always. He that tries to enter another way is a thief and robber.
Yes, I know the Christ as the doorway to God. If one tries to enter through the Law, through their works, or any other means, the doors will not be opened. By His death, the curtain which separated us from God was torn asunder, something the Law could not do, something no one else but Christ could have done. We come to His death so that we can die with Him. If we die with Him, we are also risen with Him. The acceptance of His death gives to us a fellowship not only with Him, but with the Father also, the purpose of His death. His death places us on God's path, and on that path, we are alive. His death is the doorway to God, but His living is the doorway to eternal promises found in the Message He delivered.
 
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Yes, I know the Christ as the doorway to God. If one tries to enter through the Law, through their works, or any other means, the doors will not be opened. By His death, the curtain which separated us from God was torn asunder, something the Law could not do, something no one else but Christ could have done. We come to His death so that we can die with Him. If we die with Him, we are also risen with Him. The acceptance of His death gives to us a fellowship not only with Him, but with the Father also, the purpose of His death. His death places us on God's path, and on that path, we are alive. His death is the doorway to God, but His living is the doorway to eternal promises found in the Message He delivered.
This is so good, but there is more! God is everything that matters, the spiritual world leads and the secular world is only a reflection with the sinful part to be destroyed. It is through Christ, through going through that door of the forgiveness and cleansing we have in Christ that we can reach God and live. But we must walk, we must step through that door. On the other side are the fruits of the spirit and we are to put them on and express them in our walk. If we just stand there, lukewarm as we stand, they will be taken away. We must act.