FALSE DOCTRINE

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posthuman

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chubbena said:
I know you know. :)
It's interesting that you quoted 1 John 1:5-6
What is your understanding on "just as you have heard from the beginning"?
At the beginning as in Deuteronomy 6:5 and in Leviticus 19:18?
At the beginning as in they first heard of Christ?
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wow i hadn't really thought of that -- i guess John, as a Jew, had the shema and the command to love God since his beginning - since the beginning of Israel as a people! and to truly love Him, it ought to follow that we love each other too, because He also created all of us..
i don't know who John was writing to, and she may have been either a Gentile or a Jew, even a proselyte, who knows? so certainly the command to love one another was part of the gospel she received, but may or may not have been a reference also to Judaism..

double entendré going on there! more than i understand, thanks!
 
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chubbena

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"She" as in a church?
Judging the same John who wrote the fourth gospel where he said he's the Word of God my thought is on the first until I hear a better reasoning. :)
 
posthuman

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chubbena said:
"She" as in a church?
Judging the same John who wrote the fourth gospel where he said he's the Word of God my thought is on the first until I hear a better reasoning. :)
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i don't know if "the chosen lady" was meant to be a metaphor, or if John was writing to a woman who led a group of believers.
i do understand it metaphorically, as it is written by the Spirit not just to whoever received the actual papyrus, but to us, as "she" the church -- but that leaves room for it to have been an actual woman who the letter was sent to.
we as gentiles who have had God revealed to us didn't have the law of Moses from the beginning, but we as a human race did - i think it makes sense both ways

a lot for me to think about :)
 
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chubbena said:
And we are doing just that right here right now by our talk and by our walk not unlike our example Israel....His Name is greatly blasphemed among the unbelievers. What should we do?
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Nothing can be done for people will have contradicting beliefs until the world ends and the fact is all cannot be biblically correct, therefore most will be lost entering through the wide, broad gate.
 
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Kerry said:
Which one is false? every doctrine seems to follow God. I meant the Methodist love Jesus as well as the Baptist. The Assembly of God love Jesus as well as some Catholics. The church of God needs to fess up, cause the only difference between The COG and the AOG is that tongues can only be performed in a service three times. The Congregational Holiness church has the only difference that women can't wear pants. Most baptist illustrate that the-only difference is that they don't speak in tongues.While some Baptist say it is demonic. Some methodist and Baptist and Lutheran say that miracles have ceased. Even if a man was raised from the dead in front of their very eys they will still deny it.

So what do we do, argue, debate, call each other names. Yet we sall agree that Jesus is our Savior. Why is this so?
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If we don't contend for the faith according to all God has ever spoken, and only contend for our denomination, it is false. Jesus didn't have any denomination, but the Pharisees did.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe , and tremble .

Go figure.
 
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I am personally having a hard time with all of this, and speak to my Lord about it often. God speaks of us being a family together when we accept Him as the Father, and take ourselves to Him to be wiped clean of our sins. Then, our job is to support and build up our brothers and sisters in the same family. We are also told that we can recognize each other when we see love for each other, and do not murder each other. God says that when we call each other names, God looks on it as murder. Even in this post, we see murder instead of love!! I have often been told that someone does not allow Christ to forgive my sins, that they I am only for hell, they are so intent on murder for me, personally.

Yet, when someone says that God told them He wiped out a lot of scripture, it was only written for someone else like only for a certain race in certain years, I bristle and defend scripture. When someone indicates that God is not one, God became only Christ who got rid of the Father as only talking of shadows to be discarded, again I just go on the defense of my Lord and Savior. When someone says that Christ wiped out any doing from scripture as "works" Christ was against, again I go into the defense mode. I am often told I am attacking people with this, or that I am setting myself up as only a law keeper with no need of a Savior because of this defense of what I see in scripture although I am keeping this to only what scripture says.

Surely, God has the answer to these questions we have!! There just has to be room for discussing what we think scripture tells us without going into murder of others.
 
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The 2 biggest destroyers are the modern tithing doctrine and the deeds of the Nicolaitans, the clerical/ laity bunkum.
 
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Kerry said:
Which one is false? every doctrine seems to follow God. I meant the Methodist love Jesus as well as the Baptist. The Assembly of God love Jesus as well as some Catholics. The church of God needs to fess up, cause the only difference between The COG and the AOG is that tongues can only be performed in a service three times. The Congregational Holiness church has the only difference that women can't wear pants. Most baptist illustrate that the-only difference is that they don't speak in tongues.While some Baptist say it is demonic. Some methodist and Baptist and Lutheran say that miracles have ceased. Even if a man was raised from the dead in front of their very eys they will still deny it.

So what do we do, argue, debate, call each other names. Yet we sall agree that Jesus is our Savior. Why is this so?
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Well, the disagreements I see here usually regard law keeping and works necessary for salvation,

where errors are fatal.

So "this is so" because Paul did the same.
 
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SeaBass said:
The differences prove they cannot all be biblically correct. "Thy word is truth", truth does not contradict itself,
so they cannot all have the truth and cannot all be Christians. If one argues all or many or just a few of these religious groups are following the bible, then that implicates the bible as being a book full of contradictions written by a very confused author. If Christianity were really made up of a lot of contradicting opinions, then Christianity is THE worst joke in all the history of mankind having no truth or credibility at all.
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They can all be Christian if they have the truth of the gospel.

Differences in the peripherals do not nullify their Christianity.
 
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inthewind said:
So what are the commandments of Jesus that were given to his disciples that they were to teach?
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Is that a trick question?

The commandments Jesus gave are Mt 22:37-39.
 
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posthuman said:
This is my command, that ye love one another, according as I did love you
(John 15:12)
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Now that's raising the bar!

Not love one another as you love yourself, but as I love you.
 
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chubbena said:
What I learn from Paul:
To argue is uncalled for.
To debate only with those who claim they know God but refuse Christ.
To call each other names is wrong.
And...
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

So our discussions should not even be whether the OT is valid for Christians.
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And what I learn from Paul is
to defend the gospel against those who say they accept Christ, but who preach another gospel,
which is no gospel at all, because they add the law to it.
 
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chubbena

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just-me said:
If we don't contend for the faith according to all God has ever spoken, and only contend for our denomination, it is false. Jesus didn't have any denomination, but the Pharisees did.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe , and tremble .

Go figure.
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Worse is when we believe there are two gods. One in OT who was all law no mercy and the other in NT all mercy no law.
 
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chubbena

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Elin said:
And what I learn from Paul is
to defend the gospel against those who say they accept Christ, but who preach another gospel,
which is no gospel at all, because they add the law to it.
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The other gospel is the Word of God has replaced the Word of God who spoke through Moses.
 
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chubbena said:
SeaBass said:
... If Christianity were really made up of a lot of contradicting opinions, then Christianity is THE worst joke in all the history of mankind having no truth or credibility at all.
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And we are doing just that right here right now by our talk and by our walk not unlike our example Israel....His Name is greatly blasphemed among the unbelievers. What should we do?
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However, Christianity is not made up of any kind of opinions, it is made up of the Word of God.

And contradicting opinions about the Word of God matter only if they affect the truth of the gospel,

in which case the gospel is to be contended for, just as Paul did.

In the name of harmony, let's not be holier than God.

God's Truth is worth fighting for.
 
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JesusLives

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I am sure that if each individual that has posted on this thread looked at their lives they would say they have a few or even several people that they call their friends. Now just for a moment look at your friends as individuals. Are your friends all from your same denomination? I would venture a guess you would say no. Do some of your friends have a different denomination? You might say yes. Are some of your friends non church goers with no denomination. I again would venture to say that you could answer yes. So what's my point?

The point is that we are all saved by the blood of Jesus, even the ones that don't go to church if they would come to know God and give their hearts to Him and repent they would be saved also... But we are all in a different place in our walk with the Lord and my understanding is that God will hold each one of us accountable for the truth that we have. So there will be many people from different denominations in heaven why, because they repented, gave their hearts to Jesus allowed the Holy Spirit to come in and change them from the inside out, they learned to love God with all their hearts and followed Him and through His strength obeyed His commandments and they learned to love their neighbors as themselves. Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and follow me.

There is plenty of false doctrines out there, we need to learn to listen to Jesus, obey and follow Him wherever He leads us and pray for our brothers and sisters in their walk with the Lord. The world is against us we as Christians should uplift and pray for each other no matter what the denomination is as salvation is an individual work between us and (God), Jesus, and the Holy Spirit who has been given to teach us all things. Blessings to all on this Sabbath day and praying for you all in your walk with Jesus.
 
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posthuman said:
Chubbena said:
I know you know. :)
It's interesting that you quoted 1 John 1:5-6
What is your understanding on "just as you have heard from the beginning"?
At the beginning as in Deuteronomy 6:5 and in Leviticus 19:18?
At the beginning as in they first heard of Christ?
Click to expand...
wow i hadn't really thought of that -- i guess John, as a Jew, had the shema and the command to love God since his beginning - since the beginning of Israel as a people! and to truly love Him, it ought to follow that we love each other too, because He also created all of us..
i don't know who John was writing to, and she may have been either a Gentile or a Jew, even a proselyte, who knows? so certainly the command to love one another was part of the gospel she received, but may or may not have been a reference also to Judaism..

double entendré going on there! more than i understand, thanks!
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It's not what they heard, it's whom they heard:

"That (life) which was from the beginning,
which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes,
which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim
concerning the word (gospel) of (the) life (Christ).
The life appeared: we have seen it and testify to it,
and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father
and has appeared to us." (1Jn 1-2)

So what is "the life" they did hear, see, look at, and touch "which was from the beginning?"
 
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chubbena said:
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posthuman said:
chubbena said:
I know you know. :)
It's interesting that you quoted 1 John 1:5-6
What is your understanding on "just as you have heard from the beginning"?
At the beginning as in Deuteronomy 6:5 and in Leviticus 19:18?
At the beginning as in they first heard of Christ?
Click to expand...
wow i hadn't really thought of that -- i guess John, as a Jew, had the shema and the command to love God since his beginning - since the beginning of Israel as a people! and to truly love Him, it ought to follow that we love each other too, because He also created all of us..
i don't know who John was writing to, and she may have been either a Gentile or a Jew, even a proselyte, who knows? so certainly the command to love one another was part of the gospel she received, but may or may not have been a reference also to Judaism..

double entendré going on there! more than i understand, thanks!
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"She" as in a church?
Judging the same John who wrote the fourth gospel where he said he's the Word of God
my thought is on the first until I hear a better reasoning. :)
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That would be post #37, above.
 
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SeaBass said:
chubbena said:
And we are doing just that right here right now by our talk and by our walk not unlike our example Israel....His Name is greatly blasphemed among the unbelievers.
What should we do?
Click to expand...
Nothing can be done for people will have contradicting beliefs until the world ends and the fact is all cannot be biblically correct, therefore
most will be lost entering through the wide, broad gate.
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None will be lost for getting the peripherals incorrect, only for believing in an incorrect gospel.
 
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just-me said:
If we don't contend for the faith according to all God has ever spoken. . .
Go figure.
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That's already been done by Jesus.

In these last days, God has spoken to us by his Son (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers,
in whose light we are to understand what was spoken in the past by the prophets of old.
 
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