False Prophets!!!

[Denadii]

Oh please denadill, why did I know you were going to "backpeddle" and make a "lame" statement that one should not base a doctrine on a single verse? First of all I'm not basing a doctrine on one verse, I was addressing your question and gave you a legitimate Biblical answer. Besides, if there is only one verse as a model and a hundred verses that say the opposite the one verse still stands.

Do you want me to give you an example of what I mean? Read Acts 10:44-48 and tell if it is teaching that you must be water baptized to be saved? Now, getting back to naming names look what the Apostle Paul stated about what Moses had to go through with Jannes and Jambres. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 and take note of vs8.

And then again your embarassing yourself by giving me this lame example of disagreeing with a preacher and that is suppose to lead to besmirching his name? Apparently you have not read Matthew 7:15-23 and how we are to be aware of false prophets and teachers and how to identify them. There is a BIG difference between disagreeing with someone on an issue and confronting them with false teachings that have an effect on ones salvation.

Finally, tell me how you determine what is right teaching and what is wrong teaching? And btw, they do have Sunday School for adults at Churches. Does the church you attend have an adult Bible study, assuming you go to church?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Bluto What are you going on about? Do you think you have a target on your back? I don't. Nobody came against anything you said, and I backpedaled on nothing at all.. A lame statement about basing an entire doctrine on one verse......Well it may be lame to you my friend, but it happens ALL the time among Christians... Nobody said anything about YOU. Or what you do. So chill out as they say. Take a deep breath, Come on In through the nose, out through the mouth. Good! Feel better?

You said "Besides, if there is only one verse as a model and a hundred verses that say the opposite the one verse still stands."
If you'll take the time to read back, you'll find that that is just what I said.

You said "And then again your embarassing yourself by giving me this lame example of disagreeing with a preacher and that is suppose to lead to besmirching his name"
Take another deep breath....You'll be ok...Just take it easy...Breath deep. I did not say that. So please stop putting words into my mouth.
You said "Apparently you have not read Matthew 7:15-23 and how we are to be aware of false prophets and teachers and how to identify them. There is a BIG difference between disagreeing with someone on an issue and confronting them with false teachings that have an effect on ones salvation."
Well I have read that and a lot more...

What you are saying is right, but what you are jumping on me for is wrong...Get a grip Bluto.

You said "Finally, tell me how you determine what is right teaching and what is wrong teaching?" That's really easy to do Bluto. All you do is stop listening with your brain and start listening to the Holy Spirit, let HIM teach you...Nowadays Christians seem to love coming on to these forums to prove how smart they are instead of coming to the forums to share and to learn..

Not directed at you Bluto...... I don't give a rats backside how smart someone is...All that interests me is what they have to teach me. So please my freind....Holster your guns.

 

[Denadii]

den,

try and be thankful to those who love you here: try and feel it, for It Is REAL in Christ's
name and sacrifice...

I'm not sure what you're referring to.

 

[maxwel]

So, some one insisted that the bible says to expose the false prophet, by name...Where does the Word say that? I cannot find it.

OH...And Desertrose? This is not an old post. LOL

Just a bit of simple logic:
If you aren't exposing a false prophet by "name"....
how exactly do you expose him?
Is there some other way?
Pictograms?
Magical fairy dust?


If someone is a mad-crazy lunatic claiming to be a prophet,
and he's leading some of your friends astray,
is there some way to expose him WITHOUT naming him?

Are you supposed to tell your friends,
"Err, ya know, you been hangin around a wacky false prophet...
but i'm not naming any names."
Does that even make sense?



This whole discussion doesn't hold up to even the slightest bit of logic or reason.

 

[Denadii]

Just a bit of simple logic:
If you aren't exposing a false prophet by "name"....
how exactly do you expose him?
Is there some other way?
Pictograms?
Magical fairy dust?


If someone is a mad-crazy lunatic claiming to be a prophet,
and he's leading some of your friends astray,
is there some way to expose him WITHOUT naming him?

Are you supposed to tell your friends,
"Err, ya know, you been hangin around a wacky false prophet...
but i'm not naming any names."
Does that even make sense?



This whole discussion doesn't hold up to even the slightest bit of logic or reason.

Where does the bible say to expose them?

 

[samuel23]

Last summer I was going through the net when I happened upon an old lady who was a prophet(sorry I do not remember her name), any she was really going on about the false prophets who were saying that Trump would win the election, she said that God had told her that Hillary would win. I have never seen her since because I did not remember her name, however I bet she still has the same audience and was able to convince her followers that she was really right.

 

[Denadii]

Last summer I was going through the net when I happened upon an old lady who was a prophet(sorry I do not remember her name), any she was really going on about the false prophets who were saying that Trump would win the election, she said that God had told her that Hillary would win. I have never seen her since because I did not remember her name, however I bet she still has the same audience and was able to convince her followers that she was really right.

Ever notice? The real prophets don't call themselves prophets...Mostly because they don't want to be prophets. Unfortunately their followers are just as deluded as they are

 

[Angela53510]

So, the principle, which is backed up in Scriptures by people here, is that:

"There WILL BE false prophets."

The second principle is:

"They WILL DECEIVE even the elect."

"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." Mark 13:22; Matt 24:24

So, there are false prophets! How can we apply this to today?

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

So, we need to identify WHO the false prophets are, in order to test them. Why? Because there are many in the world. These are the facts. And it is very serious!

"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping." 2 Peter 2:1-3

So, these false prophets are going to introduce heresies, follow depraved conduct and bring the truth of the gospel into disrepute. They are condemned. But as followers of Christ, we do need to warn others of who these false prophets are.

Which brings me, Denadii, to your claim that you didn't know what "Word Faith" was when you first came on here and now, your vehement and obvious long term support of this heresy. I guess this is some of the depraved and dishonest conduct Peter was talking about? Nice try! But, trolls are as trolls do! And it wasn't hard spotting a fraud, who pretended to be so innocent in his beliefs and is now flooding every thread with his Word Faith poison, including generally not even reading the posts replying to his false doctrines.

We all need to heed what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount about false prophets and how to recognize them:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" Matt 7:15-16

Denadii, you do not engage in debate. You are like a thorn bush, pretending to be a grape or fig tree. You are constantly angry to the point of abusing people, and you have already lied to this forum about who you are and what you represent. So, are you upset because you are a false prophet? Or only a follower of a false prophet, like the evil Kenneth Copeland or other Word Faith teachers and deceivers?

Just curious!

 

[joaniemarie]

I see what Denadii is getting at and he is right, this pointing fingers at other believers is a running epidemic here on CC. It would "seem" many believe it to be a doctrine and holy duty in itself even to the point of making it their "ministry" Oh GACK what a way to "minister". To "expose" people they disagree with and do it with a self righteous glee enjoying the process laughing together at another's expense. Sitting around the "campfire" as it were with fellow finger pointers burning up another brother's or sister's reputation like so many marsh mellows. A very disgusting way to spend one's time and call it "the Lord's work.

 

[Desertsrose]

Personally, I believe it's an unkindness to not warn others of false teachers/prophets. We are to be like the watchmen in the OT who warned others of the enemy coming.

Examples of naming names.

3 John 1:9, 10

I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say. For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church.

Galatians 2:11-14
But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?

2 Timothy 2:16-18
But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.

Acts 8:9-24
Now there was a man named Simon, who formerly was practicing magic in the city and astonishing the people of Samaria, claiming to be someone great; and they all, from smallest to greatest, were giving attention to him, saying, “This man is what is called the Great Power of God.” And they were giving him attention because he had for a long time astonished them with his magic arts. But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. Even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed.
Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.” But Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me yourselves, so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.”

1 Corinthians 5:1-8 The adulterer everyone knew.
It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife. You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.
For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Those are the only ones I could think of at the moment. There may be more.

I think the point is that those who are preaching or teaching falsely must be pointed out for the protection of others. We are to separate from such people and are to have nothing to do with them. They feed poison to the body, false bread which kills.

How ridiculous to protect the one teaching another gospel, teaching lies to draw others away from Christ. If they are humble, they'll repent. Even the Old Testament reveals the false prophets.

Years ago, a seminary professor told his class at the beginning of the semester that they would work together on one major project during that semester. They would move systematically through the New Testament to categorize every area of truth and determine how many times each area is addressed. Their goal was to find what one thing is emphasized more than any other in the New Testament. When they completed the project, they were amazed to see that warning against false doctrine is emphasized more than any other thing, even more than love, unity, and experience (Renald Showers, in “Israel My Glory,” [April/May, 1995], pp. 24-25).

 

[Denadii]

I see what Denadii is getting at and he is right, this pointing fingers at other believers is a running epidemic here on CC. It would "seem" many believe it to be a doctrine and holy duty in itself even to the point of making it their "ministry" Oh GACK what a way to "minister". To "expose" people they disagree with and do it with a self righteous glee enjoying the process laughing together at another's expense. Sitting around the "campfire" as it were with fellow finger pointers burning up another brother's or sister's reputation like so many marsh mellows. A very disgusting way to spend one's time and call it "the Lord's work.

Well put. Thank you

 

[MattforJesus]

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The false prophets do not deceive the very elect,for Jesus said,they would be deceived,if it were possible,for the great signs and wonders will appear so real that the saints will take notice,but they will know it is not of God,especially when at that time the world does not acknowledge a personal God.

They would be deceived,if it were possible,but it is not possible,not the possibility that they could be deceived,but if they were not the elect they would be deceived for the great signs and wonders will appear so real,but the Bible calls them lying wonders.

The elect know it is not of God,especially when the world acknowledges no God at that time,especially when the world will not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual evolution,especially when God will send strong delusion to those who do not love the truth,but the elect is delivered from all that.

When the world says Peace and safety,which is when the world will come together to try to achive peace on earth,which will lead them to the beast kingdom,the Bible says the elect will not be deceived by it,and Jesus will deliver all those who abide in the truth from that temptation which shall try all them that dwell on earth,which it is the decision point of the world.

 

[Denadii]

Personally, I believe it's an unkindness to not warn others of false teachers/prophets. We are to be like the watchmen in the OT who warned others of the enemy coming.

Examples of naming names.

3 John 1:9, 10

I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say. For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church.

Galatians 2:11-14
But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?

2 Timothy 2:16-18
But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.

Acts 8:9-24
Now there was a man named Simon, who formerly was practicing magic in the city and astonishing the people of Samaria, claiming to be someone great; and they all, from smallest to greatest, were giving attention to him, saying, “This man is what is called the Great Power of God.” And they were giving him attention because he had for a long time astonished them with his magic arts. But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. Even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed.
Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.” But Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me yourselves, so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.”

1 Corinthians 5:1-8 The adulterer everyone knew.
It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife. You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.
For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Those are the only ones I could think of at the moment. There may be more.

I think the point is that those who are preaching or teaching falsely must be pointed out for the protection of others. We are to separate from such people and are to have nothing to do with them. They feed poison to the body, false bread which kills.

How ridiculous to protect the one teaching another gospel, teaching lies to draw others away from Christ. If they are humble, they'll repent. Even the Old Testament reveals the false prophets.

Years ago, a seminary professor told his class at the beginning of the semester that they would work together on one major project during that semester. They would move systematically through the New Testament to categorize every area of truth and determine how many times each area is addressed. Their goal was to find what one thing is emphasized more than any other in the New Testament. When they completed the project, they were amazed to see that warning against false doctrine is emphasized more than any other thing, even more than love, unity, and experience (Renald Showers, in “Israel My Glory,” [April/May, 1995], pp. 24-25).

Desertrose...Of course you warn others about false teaching...Paul talked a lot about it. He named the false teacher/s only once..The rest of the time he warned against the teaching and teachers of false doctrines He told the people to get into the Word..Study the Word and run from false teaching...The thing is...You don't know false teaching if you don't know the real thing. If I told you that Mr McSkinny is a false prophet. How would you benefit? How would I benefit? How would either of us learn from it, grow from it? We simply would not....Again If you hear Mr McSkinnny preaching on something that you don't understand, it would not necessarily mean he is wrong...It could mean that he is teaching beyond your knowledge. It takes knowledge of the Word to know what is false, and again growth to get anywhere.

 

[samuel23]

Pointing out where a person or ministry leaves the word of God is not the same as picking on someone. Joan, you seem to imply that to point out when a professing Christian violates scripture that it is an evil thing to do. If you continue in that line of thinking then you should not disagree with me if I am a Minister and have three girlfriends on the side and have taken a million dollars from the church, after all, who are you to point fingers at me? Does that make sense...Paul mentioned by name those who were teaching false doctrine and leading Christians astray.

 

[Denadii]

Pointing out where a person or ministry leaves the word of God is not the same as picking on someone. Joan, you seem to imply that to point out when a professing Christian violates scripture that it is an evil thing to do. If you continue in that line of thinking then you should not disagree with me if I am a Minister and have three girlfriends on the side and have taken a million dollars from the church, after all, who are you to point fingers at me? Does that make sense...Paul mentioned by name those who were teaching false doctrine and leading Christians astray.

Samuel The word says to rebuke those who listen to the false teachers...It says STAY AWAY from the false teachers...Paul named false teachers, two of them, on only one occasion.... If I knew you were a preacher with the attributes you described...That's all I could do, according to the Word...I would stay away from you...I'm glad you are not a minister with those attributes

 

[Desertsrose]

Desertrose...Of course you warn others about false teaching...Paul talked a lot about it. He named the false teacher/s only once..The rest of the time he warned against the teaching and teachers of false doctrines He told the people to get into the Word..Study the Word and run from false teaching...The thing is...You don't know false teaching if you don't know the real thing. If I told you that Mr McSkinny is a false prophet. How would you benefit? How would I benefit? How would either of us learn from it, grow from it? We simply would not....Again If you hear Mr McSkinnny preaching on something that you don't understand, it would not necessarily mean he is wrong...It could mean that he is teaching beyond your knowledge. It takes knowledge of the Word to know what is false, and again growth to get anywhere.

It would all depend.

If Mr. McSkinny is well known on radio or tv, it would be handled differently than if he's only influencing a local church.

The apostle Peter was publicly rebuked because he sinned publicly and caused others to be led astray. So those sinning publicly by teaching or prophesying are to be rebuked publicly.

That's exactly why we need to warn others if we do know false teaching and the real thing - to protect others that are young in the Lord and don't know.

Where do you see that the false teacher or prophet is warned once?

 

[Denadii]

It would all depend.

If Mr. McSkinny is well known on radio or tv, it would be handled differently than if he's only influencing a local church.

The apostle Peter was publicly rebuked because he sinned publicly and caused others to be led astray. So those sinning publicly by teaching or prophesying are to be rebuked publicly.

That's exactly why we need to warn others if we do know false teaching and the real thing - to protect others that are young in the Lord and don't know.

Where do you see that the false teacher or prophet is warned once?

Look in the Word Desertrose...Warning people and naming names is NOT our job...Praying for them and their victims is.

 

[Laish]

Where does the bible say to expose them?

Then what do you do ? You have a wolf devouring the shep are you to be a good shepherd and drive them out ? Or are you to do your best sergeant Schultz " I see nothing,I hear nothing,and walk away? Paul did not . He named names .
2nd Timothy
9 Do your best to come to me soon.10 For Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia,[b] Titus to Dalmatia.11 Luke alone is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, for he is very useful to me for ministry.12 Tychicus I have sent to Ephesus.13 When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, also the books, and above all the parchments.14 Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds.15 Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message.
There it is
Blessings
Bill

 

[Denadii]

Then what do you do ? You have a wolf devouring the shep are you to be a good shepherd and drive them out ? Or are you to do your best sergeant Schultz " I see nothing,I hear nothing,and walk away? Paul did not . He named names .
2nd Timothy
9 Do your best to come to me soon.10 For Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia,[b] Titus to Dalmatia.11 Luke alone is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, for he is very useful to me for ministry.12 Tychicus I have sent to Ephesus.13 When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, also the books, and above all the parchments.14 Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds.15 Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message.
There it is
Blessings
Bill

I've already said that Paul named names....You missed that. Ok But I also said...Paul was led by the Holy Spirit whom so many Christians choose to ignore. When we can all listen to the Holy Spirit maybe He'll lead us to do the same as Paul did...Meantime...Simply obey the written Word. Unless you know better than the Holy Spirit?

 

[Rockrz]

in the NT Paul sure did do it. And so did John.

Exactly, and for the purpose of warning the sheep.

This was a private letter to Timothy concerning his work as a leader in the local assembly

Well, God decided to publish it so.... it ain't private no mo!

Is this an example of reformed brotherly love?

It's too bad the supreme court legalized that type of "brotherly love" letting those folks get married...

might not be enough to base a policy of naming what we see as false prophets

Yeah, no need to warn others of false teaching... maybe they'll figga it out on their own.

Paul too had the spiritual authority to speak with Timothy who was also in spiritual authority there because Paul was the "spiritual father" of the church in Ephesus where these men were a part of the local assembly.

Who, who are the "spiritual fathers" today... TV preachers???

Many sure think so... and their followers wouldn't know the difference between sound doctrine and false doctrine is somebody emailed it to 'em

That's cause they believe their idol TV preacher before God's Word.

 

[joaniemarie]

Pointing out where a person or ministry leaves the word of God is not the same as picking on someone. Joan, you seem to imply that to point out when a professing Christian violates scripture that it is an evil thing to do. If you continue in that line of thinking then you should not disagree with me if I am a Minister and have three girlfriends on the side and have taken a million dollars from the church, after all, who are you to point fingers at me? Does that make sense...Paul mentioned by name those who were teaching false doctrine and leading Christians astray.

Seriously? How many here on CC have ever defended anyone who is the kind of "minister" that has or supports having 3 gals on the side? And also steals millions of dollars from the church? The finger pointing that goes on here is all about differences of interpretation in the Bible. Like healing and speaking in tongues and security of the believer etc..... There has never been any defense of a so called preacher of the gospel who is sinning to the degree you are here exaggerating to me.

It's the likes of those well known preachers on tv and radio that are up for grabs around the "campfire" with tons of ideas and guesses on what they spend their time and money on and how others think they should spend their time and money. Even though people here have no personal knowledge of facts about these other Christians.., don't know them personally and have never met them. All they know and all they only know is what they have been told or what they have read. Even moralistic unsaved people know enough not to destroy someone based on hearsay. And now with the internet being what it is there is more opportunity to bless and or curse our fellows.

And then., as if it is not enough to judge other Christians who are out there preaching on such a large scale on tv and radio and internet., (who don't have 3 gals on the side) those same judgmental people decide anyone who does not join in with them in condemning those on TV and radio are also wolves in sheep's clothing or just lacking in their knowledge of the Bible and must "learn" how to condemn "properly" shhheeesshhh.

I follow politics more now than I did in previous years and was at first shocked at how much gossip and fake news is reported. President Trump is so hated by the media because he is far from being politically correct. The liberals hate him and distort any thing they possibly can about him. That sort of character assassination has destroyed many men who were far less controversial than President Trump. I truly hate that sort of behavior because there is no proof., just a lot of well placed words and suggestions and innuendo that passes these days for the truth. And many are ensnared.

I see Christians defending their right to devour one another instead of learning how to love one another despite their differences. (and this is not when such sins as having 3 gals on the side is going on) This is basic Bible interpretative differences that lead some here to decide to call fellow Christians heretics., liars, evil., self indulgent.... "lovers of selves rather than lovers of God".... and on it goes. So pathetic to see the use of verse after verse with the sole purpose of proving points about how evil another believer really is. Seriously who wants to spend their time doing this??

IMO coming to CC some days is like watching the left wing media try and bring down any who doesn't agree with them.