There are no commandments coming from Peter that we must believe. We, I believe are not to have the faith of Christ in respect to him. The idea of keys in respect to Peter is not a biblical doctrine. The keys that the gates of hell could never prevail against are the revelations of God, as it is written. It is not after flesh and blood of any man .
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What you and many others who always point to one verse and try to make a doctrine out of it, is if "You beleive on the Lord Jesus Christ and thy house, and thou shalt be saved" means you follow and obey every word Jesus Taught his Apostles. So, you cannot "Cherry Pick" and only except the parts you like, and skip the rest.
There is enough evidence to prove 100% that Water Baptism is a necessary part of being saved. I have recided all the verses to prove this, and if you still want to argue the point I will let you deal on judgement day with The Author and finisher of our faith..
There is enough evidence to prove 100% that Water Baptism is a necessary part of being saved. I have recided all the verses to prove this, and if you still want to argue the point I will let you deal on judgement day with The Author and finisher of our faith..
Like you did with Acts 2:38? You isolated that verse, built your doctrine on it, then ignored the rest of the verses that I quoted to you.
To "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved" is to "trust in Christ as the all sufficient means of your salvation" and you will be saved, in which it was an established fact that Cornelius and his household received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ BEFORE they received water baptism (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18) so your definition of believing equates to salvation by works. Following and obeying the teachings of Jesus AFTER we believe and are saved is the fruit of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved and not the essence of believing.
I did not cherry pick. I properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion. You are the one who cherry picked the part you liked and ignored the rest. Do you attend the church of Christ? They love to use the term "cherry pick" and they are also obsessed with the false teaching of salvation by water baptism.
NOWHERE does the Bible teach that whoever is not water baptized will not be saved, but it does say that whoever does not believe will be condemned (Mark 16:16; John 3:18). I've been water baptized, so it's not even an issue for me anyway. I know that I believe and I know that I have eternal life (1 John 5:13). Praise God! You can argue with Jesus on judgment day about why you found it necessary to pervert the gospel and refuse to believe the gospel.
To begin with, the Bible is very clear in its teachings that all Christians are expected to be baptized in water. Jesus told His disciples that they were to baptize new disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19).
On the other hand, the New Testament makes it equally clear that man is saved prior to receiving water baptism. Cornelius and his household received the Holy Spirit and were manifesting the gifts of the Spirit (which is only for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) after believing the gospel but before being water baptized (Acts 10:44-48; 11:17,18). This observation must be balanced, however, by the fact that baptism was not considered an "optional extra" for Cornelius and his household; it was a command (10:48) that they were expected to obey. However, it was not obedience to this command that saved them, but their believing in Christ (Acts 10:43; 11:17). Baptism is the expected initial outward response to the gospel, but it is not a part of the gospel itself (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4).
There are a number of alleged proof texts which are often cited to prove that the Bible makes baptism mandatory for salvation. A careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts prove only that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation.
To "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved" is to "trust in Christ as the all sufficient means of your salvation" and you will be saved, in which it was an established fact that Cornelius and his household received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ BEFORE they received water baptism (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18) so your definition of believing equates to salvation by works. Following and obeying the teachings of Jesus AFTER we believe and are saved is the fruit of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved and not the essence of believing.
I did not cherry pick. I properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion. You are the one who cherry picked the part you liked and ignored the rest. Do you attend the church of Christ? They love to use the term "cherry pick" and they are also obsessed with the false teaching of salvation by water baptism.
NOWHERE does the Bible teach that whoever is not water baptized will not be saved, but it does say that whoever does not believe will be condemned (Mark 16:16; John 3:18). I've been water baptized, so it's not even an issue for me anyway. I know that I believe and I know that I have eternal life (1 John 5:13). Praise God! You can argue with Jesus on judgment day about why you found it necessary to pervert the gospel and refuse to believe the gospel.
To begin with, the Bible is very clear in its teachings that all Christians are expected to be baptized in water. Jesus told His disciples that they were to baptize new disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19).
On the other hand, the New Testament makes it equally clear that man is saved prior to receiving water baptism. Cornelius and his household received the Holy Spirit and were manifesting the gifts of the Spirit (which is only for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) after believing the gospel but before being water baptized (Acts 10:44-48; 11:17,18). This observation must be balanced, however, by the fact that baptism was not considered an "optional extra" for Cornelius and his household; it was a command (10:48) that they were expected to obey. However, it was not obedience to this command that saved them, but their believing in Christ (Acts 10:43; 11:17). Baptism is the expected initial outward response to the gospel, but it is not a part of the gospel itself (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4).
There are a number of alleged proof texts which are often cited to prove that the Bible makes baptism mandatory for salvation. A careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts prove only that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation.
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I already addressed the issue of "Beleive on The Lord, Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved"
I stated you can not take one Verse and make a doctrine out of it, or as the Bible declares "Private Interpretation". I will one more time explain this for the last time, just in case you or any others missed the first 3 times i explained it as it is written, and not my "Private Interpretation" of what i want it to say.
(1) On the Day of Pentecost at the Very First Christian Service, in Jerusalem; Apostle Peter preached the first Salvation Message ( The Only Salvation message written for beleivers in Jesus Christ. Read first Acts 2 verse 37..
"Now when they heard this, (Peter's Salvation Message) they asked; "Men and Brethren, WHAT MUST WE DO"??
Acts 2 verse 38: Then Peter said UNTO THEM (The ones who asked "WHAT SHALL WE DO"??)
"Repent (Which means they had to be fully convinced in their hearts and BELEIVE they wanted to cleanse and be forgiven of all their sins)And be BAPTIZED, EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR REMISSION OF SINS, AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST"
(1) YOU BELIEVE FIRST
(2) YOU GET WATER BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
(3) THEN THE HOLY GHOST COMES UPON THE BELEIVER..
Sometimes a person receives the Holy Ghost before they get baptized, and some after they get baptized i have seen it happen both ways. It is up to The Lord.
Next, We see where People were Baptized in Water, as in The Eunich in Acts 8 verses 36-38 who said he Beleived, then Apostle Philip took him DOWN INTO THE WATER, and Baptized The Eunich.
I stated you can not take one Verse and make a doctrine out of it, or as the Bible declares "Private Interpretation". I will one more time explain this for the last time, just in case you or any others missed the first 3 times i explained it as it is written, and not my "Private Interpretation" of what i want it to say.
(1) On the Day of Pentecost at the Very First Christian Service, in Jerusalem; Apostle Peter preached the first Salvation Message ( The Only Salvation message written for beleivers in Jesus Christ. Read first Acts 2 verse 37..
"Now when they heard this, (Peter's Salvation Message) they asked; "Men and Brethren, WHAT MUST WE DO"??
Acts 2 verse 38: Then Peter said UNTO THEM (The ones who asked "WHAT SHALL WE DO"??)
"Repent (Which means they had to be fully convinced in their hearts and BELEIVE they wanted to cleanse and be forgiven of all their sins)And be BAPTIZED, EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR REMISSION OF SINS, AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST"
(1) YOU BELIEVE FIRST
(2) YOU GET WATER BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
(3) THEN THE HOLY GHOST COMES UPON THE BELEIVER..
Sometimes a person receives the Holy Ghost before they get baptized, and some after they get baptized i have seen it happen both ways. It is up to The Lord.
Next, We see where People were Baptized in Water, as in The Eunich in Acts 8 verses 36-38 who said he Beleived, then Apostle Philip took him DOWN INTO THE WATER, and Baptized The Eunich.
I already explained the truth to you and I properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion, which you refuse to do before reaching your conclusion. You continue to isolate your pet verse, build doctrine on it, and ignore the rest of the scriptures that I quoted to you. Also, you keep refusing to answer my question.
Do you attend the church of Christ?
You mean you tried to address the issue, but you turned it into salvation by works. I already addressed the issue to you. Please go back and read it.
Do you attend the church of Christ?
You mean you tried to address the issue, but you turned it into salvation by works. I already addressed the issue to you. Please go back and read it.
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