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John 3:16-18
John 14:6
Romans 10:9-10
 

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Everyone should note that it is only in the King James Bible that this verse has been accurately presented by showing us that it was GOD (THEOS) who took human form ("manifested in the flesh") as Jesus of Nazareth. All other modern translations have expunged "God" from that verse and substituted another word. Originally a Unitarian was behind this change, or at least made sure that "God" was removed. And this in spite of the fact that all Greek manuscripts have THEOS (abbreviated in the majuscules) (other than two very corrupt manuscripts). Once again this is why Christians should stick with the KJB.
Majority Standard Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: God appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up in glory.

Webster's Bible Translation
And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

World English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.

Young's Literal Translation
and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!

Smith's Literal Translation
And manifestly great is the mystery of devotion: God was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed in the nations, was believed on in the world, was received up in glory.

Anderson New Testament
And confessedly great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in flesh, justified in spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

Haweis New Testament
And confessedly great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified by the Spirit, seen of angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Mace New Testament
the mystery of piety is the pillar and basts of truth; and certainly most extraordinary. God has appear'd in the flesh, been justified by the spirit, seen by angels, proclaim'd to the Gentiles, believ'd by the world, and assum'd into glory.

Worrell New Testament
And, confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifested in flesh, was justified in the Spirit, was seen by angels, preached among the gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Worsley New Testament
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.
 

Nehemiah6

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Read numbers 14:34; the KJV translation is so bad it actually says God breaks his promises.
Well since you have made that accusation, let's see if it has any validity. You have not even considered the reason why, nor have you looked at the Hebrew.

1. Firstly the Hebrew word literally means "opposition".
Strong's Concordance
tenuah: opposition
Original Word: תְּנוּאָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: tenuah
Phonetic Spelling: (ten-oo-aw')
Definition: opposition

2. Only the NASB has used that word precisely. Other translations have used other words.
New American Standard Bible
According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition.

3. God was in fact prepared to disinherit the Israelites, had Moses not interceded for them:
6And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes: 7And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land. 8If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey. 9Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defence is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not. 10But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel. 11And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them? 12I will smite them with the pestilence, and disinherit them, and will make of thee a greater nation and mightier than they.

4. Entry into the land of Canaan was based on a CONDITIONAL PROMISE. Since the Israelites opposed God as seen above, God was in opposition to Israel. Thus this statement is perfectly valid: After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
 

Magenta

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Numbers 14:34

New International Version
For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—
you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’


New Living Translation
“‘Because your men explored the land for forty days, you must wander in the wilderness for forty years—a year for
each day, suffering the consequences of your sins. Then you will discover what it is like to have me for an enemy.’


English Standard Version
According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, a year
for each day, you shall bear your iniquity forty years, and you shall know my displeasure.’


Berean Standard Bible
In keeping with the forty days you spied out the land, you shall bear your
guilt forty years—a year for each day—and you will experience My alienation.


King James Bible
After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a
year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.


New King James Version
According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, for each
day you shall bear your guilt one year, namely forty years, and you shall know My rejection.


New American Standard Bible
In accordance with the number of days that you spied out the land, forty days, for every day you shall
suffer the punishment for your guilt a year, that is, forty years, and you will know My opposition.


NASB 1995
According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day
you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition.


NASB 1977
‘According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day
you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you shall know My opposition.


Legacy Standard Bible
According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day
you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition.


Amplified Bible
According to the number of days in which you spied out the land [of Canaan], forty days,
for each day, you shall bear and suffer a year for your sins and guilt, for forty years, and you
shall know My displeasure [the revoking of My promise and My estrangement because of your sin].


Christian Standard Bible
You will bear the consequences of your iniquities forty years based on the number of the
forty days that you scouted the land, a year for each day. You will know my displeasure.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
You will bear the consequences of your sins 40 years based on the number of the
40 days that you scouted the land, a year for each day. You will know My displeasure.


American Standard Version
After the number of the days in which ye spied out the land, even forty days, for every
day a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my alienation.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
By the number of days that you spied out the land forty days, a day to a year, you shall
receive your evil forty years, and you shall know that because you complained before me.


Brenton Septuagint Translation
According to the number of the days during which ye spied the land, forty days, a
day for a year, ye shall bear your sins forty years, and ye shall know my fierce anger.


Contemporary English Version
I will punish you severely every day for the next 40 years--one year for each day that the land was explored.


Douay-Rheims Bible
According to the number of the forty days, wherein you viewed the land: a year shall be
counted for a day. And forty years you shall receive your iniquities, and shall know my revenge:


English Revised Version
After the number of the days in which ye spied out the land, even forty days, for every
day a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my alienation.


GOD'S WORD® Translation
For 40 days you explored the land. So for 40 years-one year for each day-you
will suffer for your sins and know what it means for me to be against you.'


Good News Translation
You will suffer the consequences of your sin for forty years, one year for each of the forty
days you spent exploring the land. You will know what it means to have me against you!


International Standard Version
Just as you explored the land for 40 days, you'll bear the consequences of your
iniquities for 40 years—one year for each day—as you experience my hostility.


JPS Tanakh 1917
After the number of the days in which ye spied out the land, even forty days, for every day
a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know My displeasure.


Literal Standard Version
by the number of the days [in] which you spied out the land, forty days—a day for a year,
a day for a year—you bear your iniquities [for] forty years, and you have known My opposition;


Majority Standard Bible
In keeping with the forty days you spied out the land, you shall bear your guilt
forty years—a year for each day—and you will experience My alienation.


New American Bible
Corresponding to the number of days you spent reconnoitering the land—forty days—you shall bear
your punishment one year for each day: forty years. Thus you will realize what it means to oppose me.


NET Bible
According to the number of the days you have investigated this land, forty days--one day for a year--
you will suffer for your iniquities, forty years, and you will know what it means to thwart me.


New Revised Standard Version
According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, for every
day a year, you shall bear your iniquity, forty years, and you shall know my displeasure.”


New Heart English Bible
After the number of the days in which you spied out the land, even forty days, for every day
a year, you will bear your iniquities, even forty years, and you will know my alienation.'


Webster's Bible Translation
After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days (each day for a
year) shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.


World English Bible
After the number of the days in which you spied out the land, even forty days, for every day
a year, you will bear your iniquities, even forty years, and you will know my alienation.’


Young's Literal Translation
by the number of the days in which ye spied the land, forty days, -- a day for a year, a day
for a year -- ye do bear your iniquities, forty years, and ye have known my breaking off;
 

Nehemiah6

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None of those bibles is in common use! So let's look at the ones in common use and see that what I posted was in fact correct and they all say "He" (or one says "Christ) which is not even in the Greek and could even mean Michael the archangel:

New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.
English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning!
American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
 

Magenta

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None of those bibles is in common use! So let's look at the ones in common use and see that what I posted was in fact correct and they all say "He" (or one says "Christ) which is not even in the Greek and could even mean Michael the archangel:
You did not specify "common use" so what you said was in fact not correct.
 

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Maybe it was given then taken back. Is OGAG--once given, always given--a thing?
 

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Favourite verse:

(Revelation 22:13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

That's terms used for the Father. Obviously Jesus making Himself equal with the Father.
 
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Romans 9:5
John 1:1-3
Zechariah 11:13
Zechariah 12:10
John 20:28
Revelation 22:13

And so many more; I have a list on my old phone but it is dead right now; if I manage to revive it I will post it. Then again you did not ask for exhaustive list of every verses attesting of Jesus divinity but personal favourites. So I must say I do particularly like the Zechariah 11 and 12 ones as they combine showing Jesus is God and also are some of the clearest prophecies about him.
And zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Lk 1:46-47
And Mk 11:1-11
Thanks
 
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Micah 5:2

AND THOU, BETHLEHEM Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda: out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity.

Micheas (Micah) 5:2
Likewise, your prophet, Micah, told you that your Messiah shall be born in Bethlehem, and that He was with God the Father from the beginning of Eternity.

This prophecy was fulfilled in Luke 2:4-15.
 
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#33
Everyone should note that it is only in the King James Bible that this verse has been accurately presented by showing us that it was GOD (THEOS) who took human form ("manifested in the flesh") as Jesus of Nazareth. All other modern translations have expunged "God" from that verse and substituted another word. Originally a Unitarian was behind this change, or at least made sure that "God" was removed. And this in spite of the fact that all Greek manuscripts have THEOS (abbreviated in the majuscules) (other than two very corrupt manuscripts). Once again this is why Christians should stick with the KJB.
Thanks why does the Modern KJV not have the 7 OT books and chapters of Esther and Daniel?
Ever read the faith story of Susana in Dan 13?
 

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Well since you have made that accusation, let's see if it has any validity. You have not even considered the reason why, nor have you looked at the Hebrew.

1. Firstly the Hebrew word literally means "opposition".
Strong's Concordance
tenuah: opposition
Original Word: תְּנוּאָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: tenuah
Phonetic Spelling: (ten-oo-aw')
Definition: opposition

2. Only the NASB has used that word precisely. Other translations have used other words.
New American Standard Bible
According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition.

3. God was in fact prepared to disinherit the Israelites, had Moses not interceded for them:
6And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes: 7And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land. 8If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey. 9Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defence is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not. 10But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel. 11And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them? 12I will smite them with the pestilence, and disinherit them, and will make of thee a greater nation and mightier than they.

4. Entry into the land of Canaan was based on a CONDITIONAL PROMISE. Since the Israelites opposed God as seen above, God was in opposition to Israel. Thus this statement is perfectly valid: After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
So on what basis are you assuming that I did not look at the hebrew?

God does not break his promises; he made it very clear from the beginning that we had a choice between life and death, blessing and curse. His promise does include "promising us death and curse" if we disobey. So this is indeed opposition or "knowing what it is to have him as an enemy"; and NOT breaking his promise.
 

Nehemiah6

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Thanks why does the Modern KJV not have the 7 OT books and chapters of Esther and Daniel? Ever read the faith story of Susana in Dan 13?
Those are NOT "seven OT books". Those are all a part of the non-canonical (not inspired) Apocrypha. Only Catholic Bibles have those extra books but they have also mishmashed them into the OT.
 

Nehemiah6

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So on what basis are you assuming that I did not look at the hebrew?
Had you done so you would not have attacked that translation in the KJB. And had you looked at the total context you would have understood why the KJB translated it the way they did.
 

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Had you done so you would not have attacked that translation in the KJB. And had you looked at the total context you would have understood why the KJB translated it the way they did.
I did in fact study the hebrew of this text when I first got stumbled by reading this verse in the KJV; I first checked a list of other translations and seeing as they all differed so much I checked with the hebrew; and did indeed carefully watch the word "תְּנוּאָתִֽי"; and seeing as you seem to understand the word means "opposition" I can not fathom that seeing that you would still construe "breach of promise" and "opposition" to be the same thing.

You are slandering the character of God.

Anyway, if it seems good to you to rely on this old translation that was made at a time we had much less manuscripts available and a lesser understanding of biblical hebrew and greek; feel free to do so.
But stop teaching the nonsensical idea that it is some kind of flawless translation and that every other one is corrupted.
Also, maybe try to answer your brothers and sisters out of love rather than out of fleshly pride. That might help in your future interactions.
I will leave it at that; have a good day.
 
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Everyone should note that it is only in the King James Bible that this verse has been accurately presented by showing us that it was GOD (THEOS) who took human form ("manifested in the flesh") as Jesus of Nazareth. All other modern translations have expunged "God" from that verse and substituted another word. Originally a Unitarian was behind this change, or at least made sure that "God" was removed. And this in spite of the fact that all Greek manuscripts have THEOS (abbreviated in the majuscules) (other than two very corrupt manuscripts). Once again this is why Christians should stick with the KJB.
New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.


Webster's Bible Translation
And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.

World English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.

Young's Literal Translation
and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!

Jubilee Bible 2000
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

King James 2000 Bible
And without doubt great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

American King James Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 
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Those are NOT "seven OT books". Those are all a part of the non-canonical (not inspired) Apocrypha. Only Catholic Bibles have those extra books but they have also mishmashed them into the OT.
The original Kjv had them until the English Bible society deleted them by the tradition of men, the Wycliffe Bible has them? The Jews accepted them but not those in Jerusalem cos they said there are no Hebrew manuscripts but at the Dead Sea scrolls they found Hebrew manuscripts, I guess cos Luther said so James is not scripture and many in the early church did not include the book of revelation, so who has authority to say what is and what is not scripture?
Scripture the “supposed” only authority dont say? Thanks
 
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4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: