For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

[Issachar92]

And all...but two...have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Always the same stuff. Romans 3:9 is the key, its about NATIONS not individuals, your interpretation makes scripture contradict itself all over the place. Both jews and gentiles are under sin.

This has been shown many many times and is plain in the bible but yall continue to repeat the same unsystematic theology yall heard from the pundits making millions.

Just like discussing with your identical twin, complete waste of time. So again let me repeat the same: I got no beef with you personally, i dont know you in real life, and i dont want no badblood between christians, so sorry. buut you're on ignore because there really is no point in this "discussion" when neither is gonna change their minds, clearly.

Im done.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Meddico, you follow Arminius who was a Ramist and Infralapserianist. So you're a Dutch Remonstrandt.

(Since we're going to be outrageous in our attacks based on sheer arrogance and stupidity.)

i am not Meggido, and that first word isn't a 3 letter typo, completely rude, and disrespectful.

 

[trofimus]

Always the same stuff. Romans 3:9 is the key, its about NATIONS not individuals, your interpretation makes scripture contradict itself all over the place. Both jews and gentiles are under sin.

This has been shown many many times and is plain in the bible but yall continue to repeat the same unsystematic theology yall heard from the pundits making millions.

Just like discussing with your identical twin, complete waste of time. So again let me repeat the same: I got no beef with you personally, i dont know you in real life, and i dont want no badblood between christians, so sorry. buut you're on ignore because there really is no point in this "discussion" when neither is gonna change their minds, clearly.

Im done.

Not sure what do you want to say. That there are individuals who live without a sin?

BTW its better not to say "I am done, I will not come back etc". There is no need for such promises and it looks strange when you are still coming back.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Not sure what do you want to say. That there are individuals who live without a sin?

Apparently.

BTW its better not to say "I am done, I will not come back etc". There is no need for such promises and it looks strange when you are still coming back.

Exactly.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Always the same stuff. Romans 3:9 is the key, its about NATIONS not individuals, your interpretation makes scripture contradict itself all over the place. Both jews and gentiles are under sin.

So, there are Jews and Gentiles that have not sinned and fall short of His glory? Then, all does not mean all whoever lived then, does it? But then your side of the debate when it says He will draw all if He be lifted up[John 12:32] say all means all whoever lived. Which is it?

FTR, all rarely means all whoever lived, but Romans 3:23 is one time it does, imo. When it talks about mankind's ruined state before God, all does mean en toto.

This has been shown many many times and is plain in the bible but yall continue to repeat the same unsystematic theology yall heard from the pundits making millions.

Just like discussing with your identical twin, complete waste of time. So again let me repeat the same: I got no beef with you personally, i dont know you in real life, and i dont want no badblood between christians, so sorry. buut you're on ignore because there really is no point in this "discussion" when neither is gonna change their minds, clearly.
Im done.

You were done after the first three sentences.

I know I am on ignore...HALLELUJAH...just wanted to post this for others to read.

 

[preacher4truth]

Just like discussing with your identical twin,

<---- Him.

<---- Me.

complete waste of time. So again let me repeat the same: I got no beef with you personally, i dont know you in real life, and i dont want no badblood between christians, so sorry. buut you're on ignore because there really is no point in this "discussion" when neither is gonna change their minds, clearly.

"Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3...testing?!!"

Im done.

Promise?

 

[SovereignGrace]

<---- Him.

<---- Me.



"Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3...testing?!!"



Promise?

Its not Issachar92's fault he can't tell us apart...no one can. Looks like mirror images of each other.

 

[preacher4truth]

Its not Issachar92's fault he can't tell us apart...no one can. Looks like mirror images of each other.

"I'm done!"

 

[Muzungu256]

40 pages and everything is very familiar to me u see.
this is how non reformed people think: God has chosen to save some, and if someone comes to Jesus and believes and repents then gets to the gates of Heaven and God tells him sorry u werent elect, get out. GOD FORBID! this isnt true!!!!!!! its a common misconception u see.......
an unregenerated man would never beleive in Jesus and repent!!

clarification u see: anyone who calls on the name of the Lord, believes in His heart, repents and trusts in the Lord will be saved..... such a person IS drawn, IS elect u see..... thats the evidence of it. otherwise they wouldnt want none of it!!

John 6:28-29King James Version (KJV)

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

also some jews did believe in predestination!!! such as the essenes they did, they also believed in the immortality of the soul.

 

[oldethennew]

well, all of our mortal fellows who believe in Jesus Christ and His Holy Sacrifice,
and are doing their very best to serve and honour Him, we consider Brothers and Sisters,
no matter where they are in and on their journey at this particular time,
as long as they are serving/obeying our Most Holy, Devine, Saviour,...

'discernment' is really 'key' here, as there are 'soooo many' deceivers, 'out there'...
not to mention those who have fallen under the 'soothsayers and crafters'...

it's really mind-boggling, what we - some of us, are seeing/witnessing in today's world...

 

[SovereignGrace]

Always the same stuff. Romans 3:9 is the key, its about NATIONS not individuals, your interpretation makes scripture contradict itself all over the place. Both jews and gentiles are under sin.

I know I am on you ignore list, but I want to address this portion of your post.

So, by using your exegesis, it is nations and not individuals who do not understand, who do not seek God? That's the follow-up in vss 10-18.

Then the KJV uses nations in Galatians 3:8, so God justifies nations and not individuals? Yet, most translations have heathen translated as either Gentiles or non-Jewish.

Then ppl us your same approach in regards to Romans 9:13 and say the context is regarding nations and not individuals. Great, God hates nations.

Oy Vey!!!

 

[FEDERALIST]

john calvin life was so vile that upon his death bed he ask a scribe to came in and write down his confession, perhaps one sould read this because everything that john said he did was evil.. Who would even listen to he false doctrine??????

 

[trofimus]

john calvin life was so vile that upon his death bed he ask a scribe to came in and write down his confession, perhaps one sould read this because everything that john said he did was evil.. Who would even listen to he false doctrine??????

Can you show me that confession? Not just some webpage saying it, but the confession itself.

 

[SovereignGrace]

john calvin life was so vile that upon his death bed he ask a scribe to came in and write down his confession, perhaps one sould read this because everything that john said he did was evil.. Who would even listen to he false doctrine??????

Moses killed an Egyptian and fled to Midian for 40 years. I guess I need to toss out the first 5 books of the bible?

David committed adultery, tried to get the husband drunk and when he wouldn't sleep with his wife, he had him killed. I guess I need to throw out all his writings, too?

Paul gave the okay to have Stephen stoned to death. I guess I need to throw out his 13 books as well?

God saves wicked, God-hating, rebellious sinners, who still sin. He doesn't save the 'good' folk. We are still being transformed to the image of His Christ. That's called progressive sanctification.

 

[preacher4truth]

john calvin life was so vile that upon his death bed he ask a scribe to came in and write down his confession, perhaps one sould read this because everything that john said he did was evil.. Who would even listen to he false doctrine??????

Really, wow!!! Documentation for your slanderous remarks?

Now, is your life vile, or, after allegedly encountering Christ, do you consider yourself a good person?

 

[trofimus]

Moses killed an Egyptian and fled to Midian for 40 years. I guess I need to toss out the first 5 books of the bible?

David committed adultery, tried to get the husband drunk and when he wouldn't sleep with his wife, he had him killed. I guess I need to throw out all his writings, too?

Paul gave the okay to have Stephen stoned to death. I guess I need to throw out his 13 books as well?

God saves wicked, God-hating, rebellious sinners, who still sin. He doesn't save the 'good' folk. We are still being transformed to the image of His Christ. That's called progressive sanctification.

What I have found about that confession so far is that, Calvin made a confession he is a sinner and made many faults. I have not found anything saying that his doctrines are false or something.

 

[preacher4truth]

Moses killed an Egyptian and fled to Midian for 40 years. I guess I need to toss out the first 5 books of the bible?

David committed adultery, tried to get the husband drunk and when he wouldn't sleep with his wife, he had him killed. I guess I need to throw out all his writings, too?

Paul gave the okay to have Stephen stoned to death. I guess I need to throw out his 13 books as well?

God saves wicked, God-hating, rebellious sinners, who still sin. He doesn't save the 'good' folk. We are still being transformed to the image of His Christ. That's called progressive sanctification.

Some people encounter the holy, righteous, good, eternal and perfect Christ and it's just a reflection of themselves, obviously.

 

[preacher4truth]

Now, as far as evangelism. My wife and I are praying for opportunity of witness to several subs working on building this house, and for a couple other friends as well whom we go out with once in a while and stay in contact with. The husband of the couple is a staunch person against God and Bible but God has saw to it that we remain friends and he listens to me.

Prayers would be appreciated.

 

[garee]

Really, wow!!! Documentation for your slanderous remarks?

Now, is your life vile, or, after allegedly encountering Christ, do you consider yourself a good person?

Amen...Killing the messenger does not kill the message . The wage of one sin is still eternal damnation never to rise to spirit life forever more. Break one ,any person will be found guilty of the whole eternal .

 

[garee]

The reason why its so hard for calvinists to believe that someone can obey in the bible is because they are into the augustinian teaching of no one is able to ever do anything. God has to do it for them.
Then the question remains why does God ask us to do things knowing we cant do em? Then gets angry at something He himself caused.

It’s not a matter of obeying the bible as if others do not obey it. It would be more of a biblical teaching rather than offering it to Augustinian or any man.

I would offer we should keep in mind whose work of faith as labor of love is the cause in respect to what it a effects, as a law of cause and effect.

He is the cause we are the effect. The I will , will I or I shall give us understanding as to what is a imputed an righteousness. Like that found in James 2 with Abraham and Rehab supported by the law found in Philippians 2. Again the law of cause and effect.

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I will offer a few found in Ezekiel to help emphasize the point

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Ezekiel 36:33 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

Ezekiel 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Ezekiel 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

Ezekiel 39:3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

That system dont make much sense.

It makes sense according to the law of cause and effect.

So why did Jesus die? To obey for the people? Or: To save the people from their sins and remit their sins, purge their conscience so they could serve God with a clean and purified heart in faith working by love.

He obeyed the will of the father who poured the cup of wrath of our sin upon Him. Do you think it worked to please the father? Or is it a work that you do and the effect is to please the father.

Which master seeing no man can serve two? I would think if Christ does not do all the work then he does none.