For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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KohenMatt

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Buti am worried. Folks here just let them and still fellowship with them? We are to be of one mind, of one accord.
We are all works in progress by our Savior. All I can do is share the truth as I see it of observance to the law out of a loving response to what agog did for me. Again, the number of law keepers around here who keep it in hopes of earning or improving their salvation is minimal.
 

KohenMatt

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As it is Friday night here in Colorado, it is only fitting that I wish everyone here a blessed Sabbath!
 
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The scape goat does not pay for sins, this is evident by the fact that it does not die when the sin is applied. The other Goat most clearly is the one who dies for the Sin and the fact that one not two are the lords goat leaves us with the logical conclusion that the scape goat is not a representation of Jesus.

It helps to go through the whole symbol of the day of Atonement. and the rest to get a proper context of the even. It actually fits with Revelation when Satan is bound. but hey that's another topic.
The analogy doesn't fit. The scapegoat is loosened and Satan is bound and thrown into the bottomless pit. In addition, Christ is our sin-bearer, and not Satan.

I know that the Armstrongites deny this because they believe that the Day of Atonement is a future event, and it supposedly supports their assertion that the annual festivals such as Day of Atonement need to be observed. SDAs deny it because they have some view of the sins being stored in the sanctuary and being carried away by Satan in a future event...or that is my understanding.

I Peter 2:24 24He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed

Christ suffered outside of the camp which further supports the analogy. The camp was symbolic of the presence of God. He was taken outside of Jerusalem to be sacrificed.

Hebrews 13:12 So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood.

That is why the scapegoat, on whom the sins of the children of Israel were imputed, like our sins were imputed upon Christ, was taken outside of the camp.

I realize you will not accept this view but I am presenting it so that other readers will know why I make this assertion.

Armstrongites convey a similar error.

The meaning of the Day of Atonement is already accomplished, and the two goats were symbolic of two different aspects of Christ's sacrifice.

In fact, I would assert that the meaning of all the festivals and the weekly sabbath and the sabbatical years and the Jubilee years have all been accomplished in Christ.
 
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Let's keep this for Sabbath keepers only to see where we all stand.
Hebrews 4:9 - 11
9 | There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 | For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.
11 | Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.
 
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Sabbath is a shadow of things to come(external life)
Colossians 2:16 - 17
16 | Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:
17 | which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.


if there is a shadow, it should be an original and this is found in heaven
Revelation 15:5
5 | And after these things I saw, and the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

(tabernacle of the testimony==10commandment)
and as the fourth commandment God did,
Ecclesiastes 3:14
14 | I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him.


so, if you are not a keeper here, how can you do to keep it in the exteral life?
John 3:12
12 | If I told you earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you heavenly things?
 
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Yonah

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He said , I do it, end of story
 

Hizikyah

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Isayah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in aidle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father--for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful (the purpose) to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."
 

Stunnedbygrace

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Hiz, has He shown you anything about the spirit of Sabbath? Other than the outward keeping of it? I'd be interested to hear. :)
 
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The Sabbath is a shadow of Christ. Christ is the real substance of the Sabbath.

The Christian have died to the law of Moses, has been released from the Law of Moses and is NOT under the law of Moses but under grace only. I don't know how much plainer it can get than that.

If others want to observe a day for whatever reason - go for it. The Christian is not bound to any law of Moses including the Sabbath day. Jesus is our Sabbath rest.

The law is NOT of faith. The righteous shall live by faith in what Jesus has done.

Do not fall for anyone that is telling you that you must keep a Sabbath day. That is called a Judaizer that comes in to try to get Christians to go back to the law of Moses for life and living. Don't fall for this false religion. This is a perversion of the gospel of Christ.

Christ has fulfilled all the law for us and we are in Him now.

Law-keepers continually replace Christ for the law of Moses for life and living.
 
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Hizikyah

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Hiz, has He shown you anything about the spirit of Sabbath? Other than the outward keeping of it? I'd be interested to hear. :)
Not trying to be mean but it seems you assume or are accusing me of outward keeping, when I do not believe anything I have said would provoke that, and nobody on this site has met me in real life. With that out of the way, I would like to state an emphatic yes! I have spoken it a number of times on this site, however most of my talk about the Sabbath is trying to show it is for "Gentiles" and Hebrews, because so many speak against it.

So if we look at that passage in Isaiah 58, we look at Matt 12, and a number of other verses the word shows us it is truly a day to do His will not our own. Now Judaism and ancient pharisees made it a day were one basically sits on their hands all day. Yah does not want this, I have been shown in the word and in my life, the Sabbath is for His will. While the Feast days are about the works of Messiah, and training tools for His will.

Sabbath is a re-set. A day in which nothing worldly matters. All the hustle and bustle of the week can wear one down, that is why many "cut loose" come week end time. Yah created us and knows EXACTLY how we operate. So He gave us day day of refreshment. Now the things I am about to mention are not the only things I believe one can do on Sabbath, but are a few things I personally find Sabbath worthy.

Studying the word, alone or in a group study. Praying to our Father. Helping the homeless, the infirm, or similar. Handing out tracts. Simply doing righteous deeds. Showing others you are willing to help them when they are in need, for no personal gain. Attending a teaching, study, worship service, etc. Anything that is truly the will or work of Yah or within His "gates."

Now there are also things that should not be done on the Sabbath, and hear me out before you assume anything please. Watching a sports event, while not a sin in itself, it is not the work or Yah; the time spent watching could have been spent read His word, in prayer, helping others, etc. We are not supposed to cook on Sabbath, while not a sin in itself, cooking can be done before hand, and that time can be better utilized, example: A group of 10 people are going to spend all day Sabbath in the word, but people need to eat, so lets say there are 2 choices, 1 - three of the people stop studying the word and cook for the other seven, which may be service to those seven others so they may focus on the word. Choice 2 - the food is prepared the day before, so all ten people may spend the entire day studying the word together, none have to refrain from growing in the word. Mowing the lawn is not a sin, however, if Yah says He wants us to serve food at the homeless shelter from sun up till sundown, mowing my own lawn would interfere with that. While mowing the lawn is not a sin, it would not be doing Yah's will, if He asked us to do something different at that time. I could give more examples, but I think my overall view has been shown. OK, one more, if Yahshua/Jesus were here in the flesh right now, and He asked us to go with Him while He preached to help hand out food while He preached, but I said, OK, but from 4-5 I want to play video games, and I will be there by 5:15.... I think that would be wrong, and if He was here in the flesh right now, I don't know how many would tell Him that, however I feel like when I do that on His day, I am essentially doing the same thing.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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Hez, I have not read past your first paragraph because it shocked me so much!
I am not faulting you for keeping sabbath outwardly!
I just was wondering what He had shown you about keeping it in spirit too.
I apologize if you felt I was attacking you.
I wanted to hear what you had to say.
Just had to get that out of the way before I read the rest of your post. :)
 

Hizikyah

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Hez, I have not read past your first paragraph because it shocked me so much!
I am not faulting you for keeping sabbath outwardly!
I just was wondering what He had shown you about keeping it in spirit too.
I apologize if you felt I was attacking you.
I wanted to hear what you had to say.
Just had to get that out of the way before I read the rest of your post. :)
No worries, and I was thinking you were but all is well, you assured ne differently. I have been told Im fallen and rejecting grace more than a few times on this site so my apologies for reacting quickly, and I was trying to be even by show my stance, not disrespectful.
 

Hizikyah

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I want to add to this post, that all the right things I believe are fit for Sabbath can be done every day of the week, but it would be impossible to do them every day all day, unless one had an infinite bank account and zero personal responsibilities. We have 6 days for our work and one for His. Also after being in His Spirit on Sabbath it makes the rest of the week way easier, and way easier to walk His walk, because there is such a contrast compared to normal living.


Not trying to be mean but it seems you assume or are accusing me of outward keeping, when I do not believe anything I have said would provoke that, and nobody on this site has met me in real life. With that out of the way, I would like to state an emphatic yes! I have spoken it a number of times on this site, however most of my talk about the Sabbath is trying to show it is for "Gentiles" and Hebrews, because so many speak against it.

So if we look at that passage in Isaiah 58, we look at Matt 12, and a number of other verses the word shows us it is truly a day to do His will not our own. Now Judaism and ancient pharisees made it a day were one basically sits on their hands all day. Yah does not want this, I have been shown in the word and in my life, the Sabbath is for His will. While the Feast days are about the works of Messiah, and training tools for His will.

Sabbath is a re-set. A day in which nothing worldly matters. All the hustle and bustle of the week can wear one down, that is why many "cut loose" come week end time. Yah created us and knows EXACTLY how we operate. So He gave us day day of refreshment. Now the things I am about to mention are not the only things I believe one can do on Sabbath, but are a few things I personally find Sabbath worthy.

Studying the word, alone or in a group study. Praying to our Father. Helping the homeless, the infirm, or similar. Handing out tracts. Simply doing righteous deeds. Showing others you are willing to help them when they are in need, for no personal gain. Attending a teaching, study, worship service, etc. Anything that is truly the will or work of Yah or within His "gates."

Now there are also things that should not be done on the Sabbath, and hear me out before you assume anything please. Watching a sports event, while not a sin in itself, it is not the work or Yah; the time spent watching could have been spent read His word, in prayer, helping others, etc. We are not supposed to cook on Sabbath, while not a sin in itself, cooking can be done before hand, and that time can be better utilized, example: A group of 10 people are going to spend all day Sabbath in the word, but people need to eat, so lets say there are 2 choices, 1 - three of the people stop studying the word and cook for the other seven, which may be service to those seven others so they may focus on the word. Choice 2 - the food is prepared the day before, so all ten people may spend the entire day studying the word together, none have to refrain from growing in the word. Mowing the lawn is not a sin, however, if Yah says He wants us to serve food at the homeless shelter from sun up till sundown, mowing my own lawn would interfere with that. While mowing the lawn is not a sin, it would not be doing Yah's will, if He asked us to do something different at that time. I could give more examples, but I think my overall view has been shown. OK, one more, if Yahshua/Jesus were here in the flesh right now, and He asked us to go with Him while He preached to help hand out food while He preached, but I said, OK, but from 4-5 I want to play video games, and I will be there by 5:15.... I think that would be wrong, and if He was here in the flesh right now, I don't know how many would tell Him that, however I feel like when I do that on His day, I am essentially doing the same thing.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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I read the rest of it. :)
Yes, Hez, no worries. You don't know me yet so it's no problem, but I know if we talk you will see that I don't attack people for how they want to honor God because He looks at their heart, which no man can see.

I know people can sometimes be cruel if they don't like the way you honor and thank Him.

It's good that you set aside a day of the week to focus totally on Him. He has given me a very calm life with few demands and no matter what time I go to bed, He wakes me at 3:30 or 4:00 every morning and I spend many hours with Him. A lot of days, aside from a quick obligation elsewhere, I spend all day with Him. I thank Him for the simplicity and time He has blessed me with to commune with Him. And to spend some time in here too.

I want to think about how to share what He has taught me of the spirit of sabbath rest in Him at all times. It's difficult to put a spiritual thing into words, so I will be back to share it with you when I figure out how to say it. :)

Good night Hez! :)
 

Hizikyah

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The Sabbath is a shadow of Christ. Christ is the real substance of the Sabbath.
The 4 remaing Feast days look forward to Yahshua's/Jesus return, just as the Sabbath looks forward to the 1,000 year reign..That is why Paul wrote:
"the reality yet to come"

Colossians 2:17 Parallel Verses
New Living Translation
For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.

English Standard Version
These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Berean Study Bible
These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.

Berean Literal Bible
which are a shadow the things coming. But the body is of Christ.

King James Bible
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 

Hizikyah

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I read the rest of it. :)
Yes, Hez, no worries. You don't know me yet so it's no problem, but I know if we talk you will see that I don't attack people for how they want to honor God because He looks at their heart, which no man can see.

I know people can sometimes be cruel if they don't like the way you honor and thank Him.

It's good that you set aside a day of the week to focus totally on Him. He has given me a very calm life with few demands and no matter what time I go to bed, He wakes me at 3:30 or 4:00 every morning and I spend many hours with Him. A lot of days, aside from a quick obligation elsewhere, I spend all day with Him. I thank Him for the simplicity and time He has blessed me with to commune with Him. And to spend some time in here too.

I want to think about how to share what He has taught me of the spirit of sabbath rest in Him at all times. It's difficult to put a spiritual thing into words, so I will be back to share it with you when I figure out how to say it. :)

Good night Hez! :)
Sleep well! Praise Yah!
 

Hizikyah

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Hebrews 4:9 - 11
9 | There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 | For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.
11 | Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.
[FONT=Arial, serif]Hebrews 4:9, "So then, there remains [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]a keeping of the Sabbath[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] (word G#4520) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] for the people of the Most High."[/FONT]





[FONT=Arial, serif]4520 - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]sabbatismos[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]sabbatismos: a sabbath rest[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Transliteration: sabbatismos[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Short Definition: a Sabbath rest[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Definition: [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]a keeping of the Sabbath[/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif], a Sabbath rest.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Definition - a sabbath rest[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]1 Occurrence[/FONT]




[FONT=Arial, serif]Note the word above is "[/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]a keeping of the Sabbath[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]" and has only "[/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]1 Occurrence[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]" in Scripture[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]As complared to the regular word for Sabbath shown below[/FONT]




[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]4521[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]sabbaton[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Transliteration: sabbaton[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Definition: [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]the Sabbath[/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif], a week.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Word Origin[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]of Hebrew origin shabbath[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]Definition[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]68 Occurrence[/FONT]
 
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Hebrews 4:9, "So then, there remains a keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) for the people of the Most High."





4520 - sabbatismos
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton
Definition - a sabbath rest
1 Occurrence




Note the word above is "a keeping of the Sabbath" and has only "1 Occurrence" in Scripture


As complared to the regular word for Sabbath shown below




4521 - sabbaton
sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sabbaton
Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)
Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week
Definition: the Sabbath, a week.
Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath
Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
68 Occurrence
Ecclesiastes 3:14
14 | I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him.
so why do one change it to sunday???

Daniel 7:25
25 | And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High; and he shall think to change the times and the law...
so why do one agreed with this???

the commandment is given first to Israel and they become a kingdom of priests for God if they precedently is a bondservant of Pharaoh
Exodus 19:6
6 | and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


we become a kingdom of priests for God thanks to Jesus

1Peter 2:9
9 | But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for 'God's' own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
if we precedently are a bondservant of sin
John 8:34
34 | Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Every one that committeth sin is the bondservant of sin.

what does sin mean?
1John 3:4
4 | Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.



Mark 12:24
24 | Jesus said unto them, Is it not for this cause that ye err, that ye know not the scriptures, nor the power of God?
So be careful

Romans 2:12
12 | For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
 
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Hebrews 4:9, "So then, there remains a keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) for the people of the Most High."





4520 - sabbatismos
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton
Definition - a sabbath rest
1 Occurrence




Note the word above is "a keeping of the Sabbath" and has only "1 Occurrence" in Scripture


As complared to the regular word for Sabbath shown below




4521 - sabbaton
sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sabbaton
Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)
Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week
Definition: the Sabbath, a week.
Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath
Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
68 Occurrence

Why is it that you "add" on words to the scripture? Here you have added "the keeping " of Sabbath. This is just changing the scriptures to try to make it look like we are to still keep the Jewish Sabbath. The real Christian that is in Christ does not have to "keep the Sabbath" as in a day like in the O.T.

This noun is related to the verb sabbatizō, “to keep the sabbath,” and means “a sabbath keeping” or “sabbath rest.” It is used only once in the New Testament, at Hebrews 4:9.

There the “rest” reserved for God’s people is called a “sabbath rest” because it marks ceasing from works done for oneself and giving attention to the work God has for us. When God completed His creative work He “rested,” that is, “ceased” His work of creation and gave himself to work in behalf of His creation. He offers the same promise to those who remain faithful to Him (verse 10).


Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega.

The conclusion of the arguments made in the previous verses is that the O.T. prophecies and the picture that the O.T. Sabbath was painting were all about a rest that is now available to us in the N.T. through faith in Christ.

Let me ask you one question: If a Christian does not observe the Sabbath Day as outlined in the Old Covenant where they observe from Friday night until saturday and all that goes with that - are they dis-obeying God?