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[LEPIDUS]

I was wondering if any Seventh Day Adventist can answer some bible questions for me. Who ever is willing please private message.

I can post my questions here but I feel that your replies may be tainted by individuals against your beliefs, and in turn would lead this thread to a debate which would completely ruin my request.

 

[Brandon911]

I am a SDA, post your questions here. I do not fear others opinions good or bad.

 

[LEPIDUS]

I am a SDA, post your questions here. I do not fear others opinions good or bad.

Thank you, but the request to private message was not out of fear of opinions but more for my sake to have understanding without distractions of other's rants against it, if that makes sense.

I don't want to have to go page after page of an SDA trying to explain a view and others posting reasons why they are wrong. I was just trying to avoid having to read all the unnecessary post when my questions are really only being directed to SDA's

 

[Fishbait]

I am a SDA, post your questions here. I do not fear others opinions good or bad.

Hello Brandon911. I have a question that I have always wanted to ask an SDA.

Q: Must a person observe the Saturday Sabbath in order to be saved?


Thank you.

 

[LEPIDUS]

OK, so like I previously stated my questions are directed towards SDAs but if someone from a different belief wants to answer please only answer the question and don't start a debate about how SDAs are of the devil by assumption, or mention anything about Ellen White, how the church started, etc being that I am not questioning any of that, but have BIBLE questions so please answer with scripture, remain on topic, avoid assumptions, or any personal grudge toward SDAs.

OK, with that mention my question is as follows: According to SDAs the soul dies after someone dies, and I agreed with that without doubt up until I read this verse.

Revelation 6:9-10 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10 and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"…

So I guess I'm asking what this means. If the soul dies, how can it be crying out etc

 

[Brandon911]

Hello Brandon911. I have a question that I have always wanted to ask an SDA.

Q: Must a person observe the Saturday Sabbath in order to be saved?


Thank you.

No, The bible nowhere says you must obey the Sabbath truth to be saved, Salvation is only through faith in Jesus and His finished work on the cross. We SDA obey the 10 commandments out of love for Christ.

 

[Scuba]

No, The bible nowhere says you must obey the Sabbath truth to be saved, Salvation is only through faith in Jesus and His finished work on the cross. We SDA obey the 10 commandments out of love for Christ.

Amen! Sabbath observance, abstaining from adultery, not stealing, not worshiping other gods and so on is all fruit of salvation and loving God, not the means to it.

 

[Scuba]

OK, so like I previously stated my questions are directed towards SDAs but if someone from a different belief wants to answer please only answer the question and don't start a debate about how SDAs are of the devil by assumption, or mention anything about Ellen White, how the church started, etc being that I am not questioning any of that, but have BIBLE questions so please answer with scripture, remain on topic, avoid assumptions, or any personal grudge toward SDAs.

OK, with that mention my question is as follows: According to SDAs the soul dies after someone dies, and I agreed with that without doubt up until I read this verse.

Revelation 6:9-10 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10 and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"…

So I guess I'm asking what this means. If the soul dies, how can it be crying out etc

The book of Revelation is a very symbolic book. We must use the clearer verses to interpret the less clearer verses. God will give personal human attributes to impersonal things, especially in the book of Revelation. Tell me, can blood literally cry or does the blood of Abel symbolically cry out?

Genesis 4:10 And He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground.

It's important to use the Bible to interpret verses and not use verses to interpret the Bible.

 

[maxwel]

I was wondering if any Seventh Day Adventist can answer some bible questions for me. Who ever is willing please private message.

I can post my questions here but I feel that your replies may be tainted by individuals against your beliefs, and in turn would lead this thread to a debate which would completely ruin my request.

This IS a PUBLIC forum where people discuss and debate.

If things are posted which people feel are contrary to scripture, then OF COURSE there will be debate.

In fact, it is disingenuous to post a topic you KNOW is controversial, and then ask people not to debate.


If you don't want discussion and debate, you need to stay off the public forums, and talk somewhere privately.

You have the right to post, and everyone here has the right to disagree.
Just the way it is.

 

[LEPIDUS]

This IS a PUBLIC forum where people discuss and debate.

If things are posted which people feel are contrary to scripture, then OF COURSE there will be debate.

In fact, it is disingenuous to post a topic you KNOW is controversial, and then ask people not to debate.


If you don't want discussion and debate, you need to stay off the public forums, and talk somewhere privately.

I don't know why you posted this, as I explained I was trying to avoid side discussion as to what the purpose of the thread was.

and if you read my third post I was not against non SDAs posting of course reply with scripture and not debate about the politics of the church.

Now, if you can answer my question feel free to continue posting but if not save yourself and myself the trouble of having to restate the purpose of my thread.

 

[maxwel]

I don't know why you posted this, as I explained I was trying to avoid side discussion as to what the purpose of the thread was.

and if you read my third post I was not against non SDAs posting of course reply with scripture and not debate about the politics of the church.





Now, if you can answer my question feel free to continue posting but if not save yourself and myself the trouble of having to restate the purpose of my thread.

I posted this so you will be aware there WILL be public discussion of anything you post publicly.

There simply WILL BE DISCUSSION.

I wasn't trying to be rude.

 

[LEPIDUS]

The book of Revelation is a very symbolic book. We must use the clearer verses to interpret the less clearer verses. God will give personal human attributes to impersonal things, especially in the book of Revelation. Tell me, can blood literally cry or does the blood of Abel symbolically cry out?

Genesis 4:10 And He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground.

It's important to use the Bible to interpret verses and not use verses to interpret the Bible.

OK, I understand what you mean by the symbolism implied by the blood crying, however, we know that blood doesn't cry but people's soul is a different thing. Idk.

I like your last statement, " It's important to use the Bible to interpret verses and not use verses to interpret the Bible."

 

[maxwel]

Also...

You started off by saying you wanted all of this discussed privately, in private messages.

But here you are, openly discussing SDA doctrines publicly, where everyone can see them.


It's pretty hard not to view this thread as a simple attempt at SDA apologetics, poorly disguised as something else.


People do this all the time ya know.
It isn't new.

 

[LEPIDUS]

I posted this so you will be aware there WILL be public discussion of anything you post publicly.

There simply WILL BE DISCUSSION.

I wasn't trying to be rude.

I think my original post and subsequent post imply I am aware how a public forum works, hence why I stated all that I did. Thank you anyway.

I am not trying to discuss politics of how a church started or any useless information that will not enhance my knowledge of what the Bible says, and that is why in my initial post I stated that I would like to ask the questions in private, if any SDAs are still willing feel free to message, and if anyone else cares also feel free to continue posting on this thread but keep in mind everything that I stated on post #5

 

[LEPIDUS]

Also...

You started off by saying you wanted all of this discussed privately, in private messages.

But here you are, openly discussing SDA doctrines publicly, where everyone can see them.


It's pretty hard not to view this thread as a simple attempt at SDA apologetics, poorly disguised as something else.


People do this all the time ya know.
It isn't new.

lol seriously! First of all, I am not a SDA so I can not be discussing any SDA doctrines as you imply. Secondly, you can not sit there and assume the purpose of the thread as I made very clear and open as to what is was for, so please seriously refrain from posting useless assumptions.

 

[Fishbait]

No, The bible nowhere says you must obey the Sabbath truth to be saved, Salvation is only through faith in Jesus and His finished work on the cross. We SDA obey the 10 commandments out of love for Christ.

Thank you for the reply to my question. If I have any other question about SDA I'll ask you. You put a new light on what I have heard about SDA.

 

[maxwel]

lol seriously! First of all, I am not a SDA so I can not be discussing any SDA doctrines as you imply. Secondly, you can not sit there and assume the purpose of the thread as I made very clear and open as to what is was for, so please seriously refrain from posting useless assumptions.

Not be unkind, but I can make any assertion I want...

this is a public forum.



People who want to "discuss" SDA doctrine without controversy, do it on SDA forums.

People who want to "evangelize" SDA doctrine to others, do it on public Christian forums.

 

[Scuba]

OK, I understand what you mean by the symbolism implied by the blood crying, however, we know that blood doesn't cry but people's soul is a different thing. Idk.

I like your last statement, " It's important to use the Bible to interpret verses and not use verses to interpret the Bible."

The Bible is very clear. When a person dies he has no thought or feelings so we must interpret Revelation as symbolic to mean something other than a bunch of dead people under an alter crying out. I would never use something in Revelation alone to form a foundational doctrine especially when it conflicts with the majority of the Bible.

 

[JesusLives]

Hello Brandon911. I have a question that I have always wanted to ask an SDA.

Q: Must a person observe the Saturday Sabbath in order to be saved?


Thank you.

I will be happy to answer this question - No the Saturday Sabbath does not save us. Jesus death on the cross is our salvation, however, the forth commandment given was to Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy and not to work but to rest on that day with God and spend time with Him. So I want to honor the request My Father In Heaven has requested of me. I don't think that obeying His commandments are against His will since He made the request. Because I want to show my love for Him is why I observe the forth commandment not because I think He will save me because I worship Him on the seventh day.

 

[posthuman]

According to SDAs the soul dies after someone dies, and I agreed with that without doubt up until I read this verse.

Revelation 6:9-10 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10 and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"…

The Bible is very clear.

yes, the Bible is pretty clear about this question!
we can see the answer in many places, but let's let Jesus Himself answer it for us:

Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him,
‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!
(Mark 12:26-27)

if the soul dies with the body, how can we hope for resurrection?