For those of you keeping the Sabbath........

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Apostol2013

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Well using scriptures for self justification is self righteousness abd there is the righteousness of God now wha i was saying is there are going to be saved and there are the ones going to be priest and levites for God it is clear in isaiah a mans works may be burnrd but the man himself may be saved as written . But to the righteous and faithful will be inheritors of all things
 
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doulos

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A sign between God and man is not the same as a seal or a mark being placed on a man’s forehead. The seal of God that is placed on believers has nothing to do with whether or not one observes the Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday but instead whether one has that circumcision of the heart that comes with being born again! Isn’t it time you leave this guess work theology that places the traditions of men above the word of God behind and search for truth?
Is believing in the book of Isaiah guess work theology that places the traditions of men above the word of God? I don't get it.
There is nothing wrong with believing the book of Isaaiah, the problem is with the way some twist Scripture to fit their doctrine. The book of Isaiah does not say that Saturday sabbath keepers have the seal of God on them. A sign between two entities is not the same thing as God putting a seal on the believer. Keeping the Sabbath on Saturday does not prove or make one born again. Will a nonbelievver that keeps the sabbath have the seal of God on his forehead?
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Being born again is not about whether one keeps the Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday, but instead about whether one has the circumcision of heart that comes from being born again. Do you think God places the seal of God on people simply because of the day they choose to the keep the Sabbath on or is it all about being born again?
 

Hizikyah

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Mattithyah 12:9-12, "And going on from there, He went into their synagogue; And, behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. Then they asked Him, saying; Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath Days?--so that they might have a reason to accuse Him. But He asked them: What man is there among you having one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath Day, would not lay hands on it and pull it out? And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
 
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Just for the record...

I do not keep the Sabbath. The scriptures clearly say we are not to obey the sabbath (col. 2:16) That law was fulfilled by Christ and those who teach we should obey both the new covenant and parts of the old are false teachers. Gal. 5:1-12 shows us that if we obey the old and the new we are cut off from Christ and have lost our salvation.
 

Hizikyah

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Mattithyah 24:20-22, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day, For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

Elect and Sabbath keepers in the same sentence, me likes!

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Colossians 2:16?

Colossians 2:16-23, "16Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ; 18let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and [in] worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh, 19and not holding the head, from which all the body — through the joints and bands gathering supply, and being knit together — may increase with the increase of God.20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? 21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle — 22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men, 23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh."

I think we have v16 down, I want to focus on 20-23, as to see context. Shaul (Paul) in nearly all his thoughts talks about a topic and then goes on to explain, he uses an advanced style of writing as his (worldly) education was beyond that of the other NT writers.

20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?

So he is saying if your dead to the world why would you subject yourself to its (the worlds) ordinances. To think he is saying if your dead to the world then why would you subject yourself to Yahweh"s/Yahshua's Commandments would make no sense, but he explains it further.

21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle

the pharisees had a law in which you could not eat meat and cheese togather, or even within 4 houhs of eachother. Now this is not in Yahweh's Law even, Yahweh's Law says dont boil a child in its mothers milk (3 times) (the local pagans had this as a religious practice Yahweh did not want His people to partake in these evil pagan practices) the pharisees using something called "midrashic interpretation" the pharisees looked at it and said well since it says this three times it must meant three different things. SO THEY MADE UP THEIR OWN LAW, that was completely disconnected from Scripture and enforced it as from Yahweh.

22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,

So here very clearly he states "the commandments of men", now if you read from 16-20 you see he stays on topic, and 20 says basically if your dead to the world why do what the world tells you, so we can see he is still on this topic from v16. In this verse 22, he says "which are all for destruction", how does Sabbath lead to destruction and it would also have to be a "commandment of men" if there is ant commandment that is the farthest thing possible from being a "commandment of men" it is the Sabbath, it was from creation and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, the mark of the Creator. Also tying a "commandment of men" to destruction Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the commandments of men, you will die; but if, through the Spirit, you put to death; put an end to, the evildoing of mankind, you will live."

23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

Pleasing of the pharisees by following the talmud. v22 for context = "after the commands and teachings of men"

you see the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to Yahweh's instruction and not their ORAL LAW, this is shown in MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc

If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem.

Matt 12:10 & 12, "And, behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. Then they asked
Him, saying; Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath Days?--so that they might accuse Him."
"And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

The "Rabbis" also made their own holidays, Haunnaka and Rosh hashanna and more. when they left babylon they even changed the names of the moons (months), and rosh hashanna even changes the time of the new year, commandment and ordinances of men. the calendar Yahweh instuted is Yahweh's calendar, the one who created it created the heavens and the earth. Our current calendar is the gregorian calendar, which goes back to the bablonian calendar. Yahweh said the days end and begin at sunset, not the "Rabbis."

% made up "feast days" the Pharisees may had, brought you to trial, beat, imprisoned, or even killed you for not honoring. The Talmud tells a story of another "Rabbi" disagreeing and wanting to follow the Scriptures, and the head Pharisees makes then man, on threat of death appear in public on a Scriptual Feast Day in a way that the man cant honor Yahweh, thus commanding him to disobey Yahweh.

Rosh Hashanah (New Year)
Rosh Hashanah occurs on the first and second days of Tishri (the 7th moon or month, Yahweh's year starts in the 1st month). In Hebrew, Rosh Hashanah means, literally, "head of the year" or "first of the year." Rosh Hashanah is commonly known as the Jewish New Year.

How does the year start in the 7th month? According to the Scriptures and Yahweh;s calendar the year starts in the 1st month, Abib.

Chanukkah
On the 25th of Kislev are the days of Chanukkah, which are eight... these were appointed a Festival with Hallel [prayers of praise] and thanksgiving. -Shabbat 21b, Babylonian Talmud

Tu B'Shevat
There are four new years... the first of Shevat is the new year for trees according to the ruling of Beit Shammai; Beit Hillel, however, places it on the fifteenth of that month. -Mishnah Rosh Hashanah 1:1

Purim
Is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination.

Tisha B'Av
Five misfortunes befell our fathers ... on the ninth of Av. ...On the ninth of Av it was decreed that our fathers should not enter the [Promised] Land, the Temple was destroyed the first and second time, Bethar was captured and the city [Jerusalem] was ploughed up. -Mishnah Ta'anit 4:6
 
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For those who are interested in Sabbath:

Sylvester the pope first among the Romans . . . ordered that the rest (otium) of the Sabbath would better be transferred to the Lord's day, so that we should leave that day free of worldly works in order to praise God.—Rabanus Maurus, De Clericorum Institutione, bk. 2, ch. 46; found in Bible Student's Source Book, entry 1765.

Sunday is often spoken of as "the Christian Sabbath," but this is not a technical description. Sunday is not a strict replacement for the Sabbath, but a day the Catholic Church (Early Church) instituted to fulfill a parallel function. Thus Ignatius of Antioch, the earliest Church Father to address this question, states that Christian converts "have given up keeping the Sabbath and now order their lives by the Lord's Day instead, the day when life first dawned for us, thanks to him [Christ] and his death." (Letter to the Magnesians 9 [A.D. 107]).
Yes it was the Catholic Bishop of Rome (later known as Pope) who officially changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday in Christendom after Constantine the Great's 321 A.D. edict. Sylvester I (314-335 A.D.) was the Bishop of Rome during the reign of Constantine who gave his "stamp of approval" to the 321 Edict. Sylvester I did this because being in the office of the Bishop of Rome, with its positional authority. Thus, nodding his approval. This change from Saturday to Sunday was later confirmed at a council of Bishops at the Council of Laodicea (363 A.D.) said; "Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath"...meaning Saturday.




Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed”
I am a child of Isreal.
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Hizikyah

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For those who are interested in Sabbath:

Sylvester the pope first among the Romans . . . ordered that the rest (otium) of the Sabbath would better be transferred to the Lord's day, so that we should leave that day free of worldly works in order to praise God.—Rabanus Maurus, De Clericorum Institutione, bk. 2, ch. 46; found in Bible Student's Source Book, entry 1765.

Sunday is often spoken of as "the Christian Sabbath," but this is not a technical description. Sunday is not a strict replacement for the Sabbath, but a day the Catholic Church (Early Church) instituted to fulfill a parallel function. Thus Ignatius of Antioch, the earliest Church Father to address this question, states that Christian converts "have given up keeping the Sabbath and now order their lives by the Lord's Day instead, the day when life first dawned for us, thanks to him [Christ] and his death." (Letter to the Magnesians 9 [A.D. 107]).
Yes it was the Catholic Bishop of Rome (later known as Pope) who officially changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday in Christendom after Constantine the Great's 321 A.D. edict. Sylvester I (314-335 A.D.) was the Bishop of Rome during the reign of Constantine who gave his "stamp of approval" to the 321 Edict. Sylvester I did this because being in the office of the Bishop of Rome, with its positional authority. Thus, nodding his approval. This change from Saturday to Sunday was later confirmed at a council of Bishops at the Council of Laodicea (363 A.D.) said; "Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath"...meaning Saturday.




Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed”
I am a child of Isreal.
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This is true and prophesied in the Scriptures:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws"

"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ." - Council of Laodicea (4th Century) Canon 29

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

“It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.” Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Magazine, USA (1975), Chicago, Illinois, “Under the blessing of the Pope Pius XI”
 

KohenMatt

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Hey guys,

I asked earlier to take the Sabbath debate to one of the many Sabbath threads already out there. This was meant to be a blessing and an encouragement for those who DO keep the Sabbath. Whether you think we should or not is your choice, and I have no problem with that. But take the debates elsewhere. Don't hijack what was meant to be an encouragement into a debate.

Thanks, and God Bless,
Matt
 
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overcomer2

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Oops sorry KohenMatt, Be blessd.
Truly God is good to Isreal, even to such as are of a clean heart.
 

Hizikyah

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I want to say Sabbath has been a great blessing to me, by giving me a guaranteed, 100% no questions no distractions time to be trained by the Spirit of Yahweh. Not that I cant also on the other days, but work, and life can keep me busy at times, so this is a time where none of that matters or gets in the way!

Praise the Creator of all that is!

Genesis 2:2-3, "And on the Seventh Day Yahweh ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work which He had done. Then Yahweh blessed the Seventh Day and set it apart to be holy, because in it He rested from all the work which Yahweh had created and made."
 
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Hey guys,

I asked earlier to take the Sabbath debate to one of the many Sabbath threads already out there. This was meant to be a blessing and an encouragement for those who DO keep the Sabbath. Whether you think we should or not is your choice, and I have no problem with that. But take the debates elsewhere. Don't hijack what was meant to be an encouragement into a debate.

Thanks, and God Bless,
Matt
I don't see it as being an encouragement to the whole body of Christ. I see it it as more of a 'look at us! look at us!' attention getter to followers of one side of a very divisive subject. And then to tell people to not post? That takes the cake. Take it to PM if you want privacy.
 

Hizikyah

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There is only one Commandment that shows you are worshipping the Creator, as only this Commandment is tied to creation!

Genesis 2:2-3, "And on the Seventh Day Yahweh ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work which He had done. Then Yahweh blessed the Seventh Day and set it apart to be holy, because in it He rested from all the work which Yahweh had created and made."
 
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There is only one Commandment that shows you are worshipping the Creator, as only this Commandment is tied to creation!
There truly is only one commandment that shows we are worshiping the creator:

We know that we have passed over from death into life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 1 John 3:14​
 

Josh321

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Just for the record...

I do not keep the Sabbath. The scriptures clearly say we are not to obey the sabbath (col. 2:16) That law was fulfilled by Christ and those who teach we should obey both the new covenant and parts of the old are false teachers. Gal. 5:1-12 shows us that if we obey the old and the new we are cut off from Christ and have lost our salvation.
just let it be and leave it alone their mind already made up unfortunately, spirit has grown too strong, when people accepts a spirit it becomes one with them and it's so hard for some to get out [h=3]Matthew 7:6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
 

Hizikyah

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There truly is only one commandment that shows we are worshiping the creator:

We know that we have passed over from death into life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 1 John 3:14​
love is number 1, but that does not show the authority of creation, only the Sabbath shows the work of Yahweh creating. There is no other Commandment which honors the actual act of creation.
 

Hizikyah

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just let it be and leave it alone their mind already made up unfortunately, spirit has grown too strong, when people accepts a spirit it becomes one with them and it's so hard for some to get out Matthew 7:6

King James Version (KJV)

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
so honoring the Commandments of Yahweh makes one swine.

"Ohh how far you have fallen"
 

KohenMatt

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I don't see it as being an encouragement to the whole body of Christ. I see it it as more of a 'look at us! look at us!' attention getter to followers of one side of a very divisive subject. And then to tell people to not post? That takes the cake. Take it to PM if you want privacy.
You're right, it wasn't meant to be an encouragement to the whole body of Christ, but specifically to those who honor the Sabbath. Just like I would offer a blessing to all of the single mothers, or to anyone struggling with addiction, or to any Christian preparing to go overseas on a mission trip and make disciples of all nations. The whole Body of Messiah is in different places in their lives and in their relationship with God. This was a specific thread designed for 1 part of that Body.

So just for you Rose, if I may....

“May The Lord bless you and keep you;
The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.” -Numbers 6:24-26

May you walk in the authority and the anointing that comes from the Spirit of God dwelling in you, as you share the life and salvation of our Savior to everyone you come in contact with today.


However, as the author of this particular thread, it is perfectly acceptable for me to ask that people respect the OP. That is a common and accepted practice on internet forums everywhere.

Relax, and have a blessed day!
Matt
 
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doulos

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This is true and prophesied in the Scriptures:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws"

"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ." - Council of Laodicea (4th Century) Canon 29

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

Daniel is a true prophecy but those who falsely use Catholic bashing guesswork theology to claim Catholicism fulfilled this verse are in error. Changing the day one worships from Saturday to Sunday does not change time or laws. But there is a spiritual kingdom out there started by a false prophet that has changed the time and laws. According to them and their false prophet we should believe the exact opposite of the gospel (changed the law) and the year according to them is 1434 (changed the time).

As I pointed out earlierBeing born again is not about whether one keeps the Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday, but instead about whether one has the circumcision of heart that comes from being born again. Do you think God places the seal of God on people simply because of the day they choose to the keep the Sabbath on or is it all about being born again?


As you are led friend, as you are led!
 
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doulos

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Hey guys,

I asked earlier to take the Sabbath debate to one of the many Sabbath threads already out there. This was meant to be a blessing and an encouragement for those who DO keep the Sabbath. Whether you think we should or not is your choice, and I have no problem with that. But take the debates elsewhere. Don't hijack what was meant to be an encouragement into a debate.

Thanks, and God Bless,
Matt
When those who push this agenda use your thread to promote the fallacy that keeping the Sabbath is the seal or mark of God on someone expect those who know better to stand against that false teaching. Sorry your thread got derailed, but don’t get mad because some choose to stand against such false teaching. Do you agree with Hizikya that keeping Saturday as the Sabbath puts God’s mark or seal on someone? Would you imply that those who don’t are taking some one else’s mark? If so what Scriptural proof can you offer?
 

KohenMatt

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When those who push this agenda use your thread to promote the fallacy that keeping the Sabbath is the seal or mark of God on someone expect those who know better to stand against that false teaching. Sorry your thread got derailed, but don’t get mad because some choose to stand against such false teaching. Do you agree with Hizikya that keeping Saturday as the Sabbath puts God’s mark or seal on someone? Would you imply that those who don’t are taking some one else’s mark? If so what Scriptural proof can you offer?
Don't worry doulos, I'm not mad. It takes an awful lot to get me riled up, and I've yet to find that on this forum. I have no problem with debating the issue. I've done it many times myself. I'm just asking that this thread keep to the OP. There are plenty of threads debating the issue and I think it should be kept to those threads, or new ones with that goal. But to answer your question....

Exodus 31:13-17 "The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death. 16 So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.’ 17 It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.”

I believe the Sabbath is a sign of God's people, but not the only sign. I don't believe that if you don't keep the Sabbath that you are taking anyone else's mark. Obedience or disobedience to the Sabbath doesn't affect one's salvation in anyway.

Peace,
Matt