Forgiven and Forgotten sins, always?

[shotgunner]

I am sorry Ben, but as I understand the above scriptures, I am not seeing forgetting, but only forgiving. Also leeford1 has a point in that all of our deeds are recorded for judgement day. I can understand how deeds done before I was saved could be forgotten, and I can see why they might not be forgotten afterward, considering the old person died, which breaks the continuance of the law, but it would seem that the new person must carry the memory of the deeds forward.

Hebrews 9:8-14King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 10:1-2King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Hebrews 1:3King James Version (KJV

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:




Jesus purged our sins and then sat down because his work was finished. Our sins need not be purged again and again. We are to have no more conscious of sins. A sin consciousness will only keep you from doing God's will because you will hold on to your old sins and try by your efforts to get rid of them so that you can then be worthy to serve God. It is a devilish trap to keep God's people from entering into what is already theirs.



Hebrews 10:12-14King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[crossnote]

Isaiah 43:25 KJV
[25] I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

 

[MarcR]

I am sorry Ben, but as I understand the above scriptures, I am not seeing forgetting, but only forgiving. Also leeford1 has a point in that all of our deeds are recorded for judgement day. I can understand how deeds done before I was saved could be forgotten, and I can see why they might not be forgotten afterward, considering the old person died, which breaks the continuance of the law, but it would seem that the new person must carry the memory of the deeds forward.

Ps 103:10-12
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
KJV

 

[Crustyone]

Thank you to everyone who posted. I think I've got it now. I was thinking that being judged meant that all we did would be judged, but from what I have been seeing here and reading separately, I see that we are judged only by our good works. (1 Peter 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.) These of course are not works of the law, but our works of faith. The unbelievers are judged by the evil they have done, but not the believers. Do you all agree?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Thank you to everyone who posted. I think I've got it now. I was thinking that being judged meant that all we did would be judged, but from what I have been seeing here and reading separately, I see that we are judged only by our good works. (1 Peter 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.) These of course are not works of the law, but our works of faith. The unbelievers are judged by the evil they have done, but not the believers. Do you all agree?

Think of it not like a court trial, but like the rewards handed out at the end of an athletic event. Because that is the kind of judgement that is in view for us.

 

[MarcR]

I am sorry Ben, but as I understand the above scriptures, I am not seeing forgetting, but only forgiving. Also leeford1 has a point in that all of our deeds are recorded for judgement day. I can understand how deeds done before I was saved could be forgotten, and I can see why they might not be forgotten afterward, considering the old person died, which breaks the continuance of the law, but it would seem that the new person must carry the memory of the deeds forward.

as I understand the above scriptures, I am not seeing forgetting,


Heb 10:17
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
KJV


can you see it now?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank you to everyone who posted. I think I've got it now. I was thinking that being judged meant that all we did would be judged, but from what I have been seeing here and reading separately, I see that we are judged only by our good works. (1 Peter 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.) These of course are not works of the law, but our works of faith. The unbelievers are judged by the evil they have done, but not the believers. Do you all agree?

A believer will stand a "bema" judgment, This is the type of judgment in the greek and roman world as seen in the olympics the people are given rewards for hard work done.

The unbeliever will stand the white throne judgment, a court of law judgment which would resemble the sentencing phase (they were already declared guilty), when their sentence is handed down.

 

[shotgunner]

Think of it not like a court trial, but like the rewards handed out at the end of an athletic event. Because that is the kind of judgement that is in view for us.

Yes! The court trial part has already taken place. We were declared guilty and sentenced to death. Then Jesus took that penalty upon himself and paid it for all who will receive him.

 

[Alextor]

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin

 

[Crustyone]

Thank you all for your enlightenment. The idea of rewards for the Olympics or an athletic event finished the job for me. I've got it now. For my part this thread is finished now. God bless you all!

 

[prove-all]

Thank you all for your enlightenment. The idea of rewards for the Olympics or an athletic event finished the job for me. I've got it now. For my part this thread is finished now. God bless you all!

[h=3]1 Corinthians 9:24[/h]

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all,
but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.​

 

[Brother_Don]

I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. —John 17:4


The death of Jesus Christ is the fulfillment in history of the very mind and intent of God. There is no place for seeing Jesus Christ as a martyr. His death was not something that happened to Him— something that might have been prevented. His death was the very reason He came.
Never build your case for forgiveness on the idea that God is our Father and He will forgive us because He loves us. That contradicts the revealed truth of God in Jesus Christ. It makes the Cross unnecessary, and the redemption “much ado about nothing.” God forgives sin only because of the death of Christ. God could forgive people in no other way than by the death of His Son, and Jesus is exalted as Savior because of His death. “We see Jesus…for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor…” (Hebrews 2:9). The greatest note of triumph ever sounded in the ears of a startled universe was that sounded on the Cross of Christ— “It is finished!” (John 19:30). That is the final word in the redemption of humankind.
Anything that lessens or completely obliterates the holiness of God, through a false view of His love, contradicts the truth of God as revealed by Jesus Christ. Never allow yourself to believe that Jesus Christ stands with us, and against God, out of pity and compassion, or that He became a curse for us out of sympathy for us. Jesus Christ became a curse for us by divine decree. Our part in realizing the tremendous meaning of His curse is the conviction of sin. Conviction is given to us as a gift of shame and repentance; it is the great mercy of God. Jesus Christ hates the sin in people, and Calvary is the measure of His hatred. Oswald Chambers.

 

[valiant]

I appreciate your posts and find the subject still a little confusing. wwjd_kilden, FreeNChrist and BenFTW have mentioned Hebrews 8:12 which does say that sins will be forgiven and forgotten, but it doesn't mention specifically that those sins committed after the salvation will be forgotten. Wattie's post does have the verses, 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 with a specific mention of sins being remembered, not in word, but in the deed of rewards being burned while the doer is saved.

In 1 Cor 3.12-15 it is the deeds which are in mind, not the sins. All we have done in Christian service will be tested in order to determine its quality. The whole passage has in mind Christian service. It s the 'builders' who are in mind.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by Crustyone

I appreciate your posts and find the subject still a little confusing. wwjd_kilden, FreeNChrist and BenFTW have mentioned Hebrews 8:12 which does say that sins will be forgiven and forgotten, but it doesn't mention specifically that those sins committed after the salvation will be forgotten. Wattie's post does have the verses, 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 with a specific mention of sins being remembered, not in word, but in the deed of rewards being burned while the doer is saved.

Hebrews 10.17-18 is conclusive. 'Their sins and iniquities I will remember no more. Now where forgiveness of these is there is no more sacrifice for sins.'

If this did not cover all our sins, past present and future, there would still be a need for sacrifice for sins. The point here is that the forgiveness mentioned here is final and all inclusive. He has perfected for ever those who are sanctified (v 14)

 

[mailmandan]

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin

We need to read verses 6 and 7 together. 1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. IN CONTRAST TO - Verse 7 - But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is descriptive of lost unbelievers. Walking in the light is descriptive of saved believers.

Only saved believers are in the light. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. 2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? Ephesians 5:8 - For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light. Children of the devil walk in darkness, not in the light. Children of God walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these two separate positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other.

 

[mailmandan]

1 Corinthians 9:24

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all,
but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.​

That reminds me of the Olympics. All the runners run in a race, but only one receives the gold medal.