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"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." -- 2 Corinthians 5:17
Having faith (faith is a gift of God) in Christ is the only way a person can attain righteousness. For it is by faith that the righteousness of Christ is imputed unto us (Romans 4:4-6, Romans 4:20-24). And it is by grace through faith that we are saved, not of our own works (Ephesians 2:8-9). The only way we can inherit the kingdom of God is to be born again. Being born again is a complete, and supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, of God working in, and through you. One of the many evidences of someone's faith is that they will bear good fruit. Not the fruit of your own flesh, but the fruit of the Spirit. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." -- Galatians 5:22-23
People typically confuse the grace of God, and think, because we are no longer under the Law (2 Corinthians 3, Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians) that we can still act in carnality. But what they fail to realize is that the evidence that you've been saved is that the Holy Spirit of God is working in and through you. How can someone filled with the Holy Spirit of God lead a life full of carnality? Is the Holy Spirit of God carnal? God forbid. When you are born again, you will walk in the newness of life, and of the Spirit -- not in the oldness of which once was.
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." -- Romans 6:3-6
Having faith (faith is a gift of God) in Christ is the only way a person can attain righteousness. For it is by faith that the righteousness of Christ is imputed unto us (Romans 4:4-6, Romans 4:20-24). And it is by grace through faith that we are saved, not of our own works (Ephesians 2:8-9). The only way we can inherit the kingdom of God is to be born again. Being born again is a complete, and supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, of God working in, and through you. One of the many evidences of someone's faith is that they will bear good fruit. Not the fruit of your own flesh, but the fruit of the Spirit. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." -- Galatians 5:22-23
People typically confuse the grace of God, and think, because we are no longer under the Law (2 Corinthians 3, Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians) that we can still act in carnality. But what they fail to realize is that the evidence that you've been saved is that the Holy Spirit of God is working in and through you. How can someone filled with the Holy Spirit of God lead a life full of carnality? Is the Holy Spirit of God carnal? God forbid. When you are born again, you will walk in the newness of life, and of the Spirit -- not in the oldness of which once was.
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." -- Romans 6:3-6
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The reason that blasphemy (or speaking evil) against the Holy Spirit can not be forgiven in this life or the the life to come is because it is a kind of evil that has nothing to do with personal sin. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is attributing a work of God to be a work of evil through the devil or an unclean spirit. Jesus Christ triumphed over evil but did not die for evil, He died and shed His blood for sin. Sin can be forgiven but we have to be delivered from evil. This kind of evil is never forgiven because the blood of Christ provided no redemption for it.
When a man commits this kind of evil he is in danger of eternal ****ation but He can be delivered by God from that evil and blasphemy through repentance, by a complete change of ones mind that has been engaged in this kind of evil thinking. This evil thinking is contrary to the love of God that thinks no evil and is shed abroad in the heart by the Holy Spirit. This is the same evil that speaks evil of a brother and is a murderer and we know that a murderer has no eternal life abiding in him. The evil is poneros evil and it has to do with the many labors of that evil that conspire with others in that type of blasphemy. It is a system of evil that a person, who is caught up in, must be delivered. Any sins that have happened during or as a result of that evil can be forgiven, such as blasphemy against the Son.
If a saved man, who has been forgiven of his sins, gets caught up in this kind of evil and continues in it without repenting, God will deliver him by ending his life but he will suffer the loss of all rewards and God will take his part from the tree of life and from the holy city. It does not mean he loses his salvation but he is saved as by fire and has no rewards because all of his works are burned up by the fire. If a man continues in this evil and waxes worse by orchestrating a conspiracy to infect others with this evil, doing despite to the Spirit of grace, then he is revealed for who he is by the wickedness of his heart and the evil intentions of his mind as a man without the Spirit. He is in danger of eternal ****ation and never entering the kingdom of heaven.
When a man commits this kind of evil he is in danger of eternal ****ation but He can be delivered by God from that evil and blasphemy through repentance, by a complete change of ones mind that has been engaged in this kind of evil thinking. This evil thinking is contrary to the love of God that thinks no evil and is shed abroad in the heart by the Holy Spirit. This is the same evil that speaks evil of a brother and is a murderer and we know that a murderer has no eternal life abiding in him. The evil is poneros evil and it has to do with the many labors of that evil that conspire with others in that type of blasphemy. It is a system of evil that a person, who is caught up in, must be delivered. Any sins that have happened during or as a result of that evil can be forgiven, such as blasphemy against the Son.
If a saved man, who has been forgiven of his sins, gets caught up in this kind of evil and continues in it without repenting, God will deliver him by ending his life but he will suffer the loss of all rewards and God will take his part from the tree of life and from the holy city. It does not mean he loses his salvation but he is saved as by fire and has no rewards because all of his works are burned up by the fire. If a man continues in this evil and waxes worse by orchestrating a conspiracy to infect others with this evil, doing despite to the Spirit of grace, then he is revealed for who he is by the wickedness of his heart and the evil intentions of his mind as a man without the Spirit. He is in danger of eternal ****ation and never entering the kingdom of heaven.
there are carnal christians, who are not "filled" with the spirit. the thing to know in these things is that godly living is "by" the spirit, and not by our own power. one might think that by appearing to be lead by the spirit is good enough, but this path leads to destruction. we would like to say that if one looks like a christian, then they must be so, but the only true sign of salvation is the love of god in us for each other.
we like to say that it is blasphemy against the holy spirit, but jesus actually said
"and whoever shall speak a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the holy spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come."
i think that i would be very careful of saying anything about the holy spirit in a negative way.
"and whoever shall speak a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the holy spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come."
i think that i would be very careful of saying anything about the holy spirit in a negative way.
Hi VW,
I would say there is no such thing as a carnal Christian! (re read, gracebeuntoyou's post) People may go to church say all the right thing, make it look like they are a Christian, yet never in their lives come to Faith in Christ. Some people call themselves a Christian just because they go to church. or even because they went to sunday school, but they have not a saving Faith in Christ.
Some people call themselves Christians just because they belong to a society with a Christian heritage, yet the have not a saving Faith in Jesus.
Carnality, is not part of the new creation, of the person having a saving Faith in Jesus.
We will all sin, as we are a fallen creature, yet we know that in Christ, we repent and He will intercede on our behalf.
but for someone to be carnal and to call themselves Christian I am afraid they are seriously mstaken on what being in Christ really means.
Kind regards
Phil
i respectfully disagree. a carnal christian is one who has not learned of the walk in the spirit which gives us the victory over the flesh and sin. you have just condemned everyone that believes, has received the new birth, but not been filled with the spirit. much of what paul wrote was to "carnal" christians.
consider, have we put off the old man, and his tendencies to follow the flesh, perfectly? i have not. i really don't know anyone who has, and in this case, there is some carnality in all of us. the way we preach the gospel today, carnal christians are almost the guareented result.
blessings,
vic
consider, have we put off the old man, and his tendencies to follow the flesh, perfectly? i have not. i really don't know anyone who has, and in this case, there is some carnality in all of us. the way we preach the gospel today, carnal christians are almost the guareented result.
blessings,
vic
I disagree with you VW, when you recieve the new birth are you saying you do not have the Spirit in you? are you waiting something else? So I am not condemning the beliver, I am not condemning anybody, Jesus says people are condemned already!
We are not perfect I agree, but to say you have carnal Christians I disagree with you VW, I dont want to repeat myself about us sinning its in my post above.
car·nal
 
pertaining to or characterized by the flesh or the body, its passions and appetites; sensual: carnal pleasures. not spiritual; merely human; temporal; worldly: a man of secular, rather carnal, leanings.
Although we have some of desires that are not healthy for us.
For those in Christ are not of this world we live in it, we are not Carnal 'of this world' we are in Chrsit.
Kind regards
Phil
we are getting into a difference of words, i think. i define a carnal christian as one who has the new birth, but not the filling with the spirit. in other words, one who knows they belong to christ, but has not received the power of godly living that is in the filling of the spirit. many would say that we live godly by following the bible. i say, by the spirit, that we live godly by god being in us by his spirit.
one who does not have the spirit's indwelling power but has the seed of being born of god, is like paul described in romans, doing what they do not want. thank god for the holy spirit who is able to make live pleasing to god.
blessings,
vic
one who does not have the spirit's indwelling power but has the seed of being born of god, is like paul described in romans, doing what they do not want. thank god for the holy spirit who is able to make live pleasing to god.
blessings,
vic
I believed in God & Jesus before my salvation this was how I said it... I believe in God and Jesus. Salvation to me was about receiving the Lord as GOD and my redeamer and in that instant I was spirit filled. My experience is only mine though & perhaps does not reflect the experience of others. I dont know if I would have had salvation before I received of the Lord as I did believe on the Lord in my heart I believed he died for my sin... to believe and to receive are two different things. I was unsure of my salvation when I just believed I am certain of my salvation now that I've received.
many have believed, many, who did not receive the filling of the spirit. i was one once,long ago. i believed, because the spirit witnessed of jesus being raised again from the dead. but i was hopelessly lost under the power of sin in in my flesh. not until the spirit came and slew me in christ on the cross did i have any victory over my flesh.
VW, you are only expousing your view. but what you are saying in reality is that those who do not belive what you do, they are second class Christians, as you say they are not filled by the spirit thus not living by the Spirit?.
I believe you are wrong!
Explain your view, are you saying you can only recieve a life in the Spirit, if you are baptised in the Spirit?
Kind regards
I was a different Holy Spirit filled Christian when I first believed than now 19 years after I first believed. The Holy spirit nonetheless was present both then and now. Then I choose quite often to reject the promptings of the Holy spirit in my walk with God and often did the wrong thing. Now I listen more but still sometimes fail. This is what it is to be Christian as we are not God and we have failings. To assume the absence of the Spirit in another because they perhaps do not have the same relationship is a mistake and a judgement better left to the Lord. Even if this judgement is done with a pure heart wanting them to have more of a relationship with the spirit, it inadvertently makes one look like they think that their relationship is the only valid one. I'm thankful to please the Lord and listen when the Holy Sprit prompts me... but when I dont hear or am blinded by my humanity it does not invalidate the spirit within me... for this is a gift from our Lord when we receive him.