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actually, i guess you forgot that the whole world, society, mankind, hates yahshua, hates the truth, and is controlled by the prince of the power of the air at this current time.

btw, the man who proved it, (all of them), were not honored. just like the doctors (several thousand doctors) who easily heal disease the way God provided,
they are all blacklisted, arrested, executed, sued, tortured, and their families too. just like yahshua said would happen to anyone who wants to live as he does.

and whoever trusts in the lottery as if it was anything good, well..... God says a few things about that also. none of it good.
The point I made about the lottery is simply that anyone who could prove that the earth is only 6,000 years old would become instantaneously wealthy.

I don't understand much of the rest of your rant.
 
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Are you saying, that every single site talking about Carbon 14 dating is EITHER PRO evolution or anti evolution? Is that what you are saying? if it is then please look at this one stie, and tell me how it is Either Pro evolution or anti evolution, and not nuetral?

Radiocarbon dating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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something about carbon dating that many dont think about, even if it was 100% accurate you still can not date stone with it therefore it is useless when dating ancient megalithic stone sites. when they give carbon dating for sites such as the Pyramid of Cheops, they are basing this on organic material found around the site and not on the pyramid its self which is a bit amusing cause the object they may be using for the carbon date could have easily been left there 500 years later. there is no way to know.
 
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The point I made about the lottery is simply that anyone who could prove that the earth is only 6,000 years old would become instantaneously wealthy.

I don't understand much of the rest of your rant.
if you knew the truth, you couldn't have posted what you did. the proof has been available always. and the ones who proved it in the last hundred years, well.... don't expect hasatan's world to accept the truth.
 

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i am not a KJV ONLYIST as you now falsely accuse me of.

you should use the version that God has protected, preserved, and sanctified for over 400 years and that is the KJV.

Where have you heard or seen me saying the Earth is 6,000 years old?

Await your answer to the question i presented to you, or will you answer as you did here and avoid the question altogether?
Do you believe that the KJV is divinely inspired and/or inerrant and/or perfect?
i believe the KJV is the Word of God that God Himself has protected for over 400 years now and even to this very day is still protecting it and preserving it, even though the world is ready to burn it and cast it aside. i believe what the KJV teaches is EXACTLY what God wants it to teach, so yes, i believe it is divinely inspired despite the moot, trivial, unimportant discrepancies.

How old do you think the earth is?
As if i knew, i am not qualified to tell you how old the Earth is. Now if you ask me how old does the Bible say the Earth is, that i can tell you. The Bible indicates the Earth is anywhere from 6,000 years to 14,000 years old. i could care less how old the Earth is, information such as that is trivial compared to the Big Picture. Now if you want to know if i believe the Bible, the answer is yes. i believe the Earth is anywhere from 6,000 years old to 14,000 years old, but i am not anybody, and its not important what i think or believe, what IS important is what the Word of God says. Woe to those who doubt what the Word of God says, because they doubt the very Book that God testifies is His Word. Woe to them indeed.

Specifically to this thread, how long do you believe humans have been on this earth?
Don't care, its unimportant what i think or believe. The Word of God indicates that Humans have been on this Earth for around 6,000 years. Who am i to dispute what the Word of God says, if i did such an evil thing, what do i think i am God and correct Him and His Word, how evil and corrupt would my mind be to doubt or dispute the Word of God? lol i shutter to think of the consequences that will come upon me during the hour of temptation for doing such an evil wicked thing against God Himself.
There is a Book that is called the Word of God, and it teaches all things concerning God and what He has done and what He requires of His followers. Now lets assume for a minute that this Book is in total error and is wrong. Tell me which of these two men will be pleasing to God? Bob stands before God and tells God that the Instructions that God had left them was inaccurate, wrong and had many errors, therefore Bob did not abide by the Word of God. OR Tim stands before God and tells God that the Instructions God had left them he obeyed and complied with because it was the Word of God?
My point is this, God gave us instructions to follow and live by, and we even call it the Word of God, whether it is wrong or right is irrelevant, we as children are to obey the Word of God that HE has given us, woe to those who doubt, they are like children that doubt if the rule their parents gave them to look both ways before they cross a road is relevant or not, that maybe it was put in there by mistake, or maybe since that rule was written way too long ago that it no longer applies today. The child that merely obey the rule, wrong or right, will live, the child who disregards the rule, will one day die, because that child thought the rules have been corrupted or not correct or somehow tainted or whatever else they can come up with as to not obey what the rules say and teach. Its hard to merely obey the Word of God because it is the Word of God, and easier to make excuses to disregard some of it because we don't like that part of it.
Believe the Word of God and what it says, or continue to doubt it. Tell me, is doubting, of God or satan?

What question exactly are you talking that I avoided?
The questions are what is quoted in post #97

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i believe the KJV is the Word of God that God Himself has protected for over 400 years now and even to this very day is still protecting it and preserving it, even though the world is ready to burn it and cast it aside. i believe what the KJV teaches is EXACTLY what God wants it to teach, so yes, i believe it is divinely inspired despite the moot, trivial, unimportant discrepancies.

i believe the Earth is anywhere from 6,000 years old to 14,000 years old

The Word of God indicates that Humans have been on this Earth for around 6,000 years.

The questions are what is quoted in post #97
If it quacks like a KJV ONLYIST, it's a KJV ONLYIST.

The overwhelming body of scientific evidence contradicts your interpretation of the bible regarding the age of the earth and how long humans have been on it. You have to fit any and all scientific evidence into your 6,000 - 14,000 worldview for the earth and 6,000 for humans. That is impossible to do with any credibility, in my opinion.

I didn't think the questions you asked were serious. Scientists occasionally admit they are wrong. Or other scientists will do it for them. That's what peer review is about. No, scientific journals are not always right. That's what the retractions section in most of them are for.

Scientists have been wrong on the age of the earth. Like Lord Kelvin. But the earth has been determined to be older than previously thought, not younger. The margin of error for these various dating methods isn't billions of years.
 

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i believe the KJV is the Word of God that God Himself has protected for over 400 years now and even to this very day is still protecting it and preserving it, even though the world is ready to burn it and cast it aside. i believe what the KJV teaches is EXACTLY what God wants it to teach, so yes, i believe it is divinely inspired despite the moot, trivial, unimportant discrepancies.

i believe the Earth is anywhere from 6,000 years old to 14,000 years old

The Word of God indicates that Humans have been on this Earth for around 6,000 years.

The questions are what is quoted in post #97

If it quacks like a KJV ONLYIST, it's a KJV ONLYIST.
You will know who has Jesus in them and who does not by they LOVE they have one for another.

The overwhelming body of scientific evidence contradicts your interpretation of the bible regarding the age of the earth and how long humans have been on it. You have to fit any and all scientific evidence into your 6,000 - 14,000 worldview for the earth and 6,000 for humans. That is impossible to do with any credibility, in my opinion.
i understand where you are coming from, you choose to believe men over what God says, you have that right brother. But as for me, i choose to believe God and not what men teach, not what men say is the Truth. i believe God made Adam and EVe exactly as He said He did. And when ADAM was merely seconds old, He appeared to be a full grown adult man. Any scientist examining ADAM seconds after God created him, would say and teach this man is 24 years old, and we have proof he is 24 years old. When in reality Adam after being just made and appeared in every physical way to be 24 years old, was in TRUTH only seconds old despite what the EVIDENCE revealed. The Earth was made in 6 days, exactly as the Word of God said it was, men can disagree with God all they want, but that does not change the Truth of what God said happened. Tell me, could God make a toothpick appear? Could God say the word "toothpick" and it would be created instantly? Well if God did create a toothpick. i assure you for a FACT that every scientist in this world would say after examining that toothpick, that it came from a TREE, and would even tell you what kind of tree the wood came from, and probably have the technology to even suggest how old the tree was. But do you know what the Truth is, it did not come from a TREE at all did it? IT WAS CREATED. The Earth was CREATED at well. Amazing how satan can totally blind people from the simplicity of it.
Here is a question i know you will not answer with a Yes or a No.
Can God create a planet in 6 days that appears to be billions of years old? Yes or No?
You will not answer Yes or No because if you answer Yes, then i will say "That is what God did" and if you answer No, then i will say "Are you saying that God CAN'T do that, He's God?"
Now if you had a teachable spirit within you, you would see the logic and the simplicity in this, and understand, or you can continue as you are and not admit you are wrong, and fight tooth and nail to prove you are right. Well do whatever you have to, as long as you don't have to change your belief right? i understand.

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Scientists have been wrong on the age of the earth. Like Lord Kelvin. But the earth has been determined to be older than previously thought, not younger. The margin of error for these various dating methods isn't billions of years.
And as i said before, How old would scientists determine the age of the wine would be after Jesus instantly made it into wine? Or if they were to determine the age of the fish that apparently was created out of this air? i don't think you are grasping the understanding that scientists are determining the age of something that God CREATED old. Tell me, if God were to walk this Earth could He turn water into OIL, yes or no? Now you know that typical OIL deposits takes hundreds of thousands to millions of years to be formed. So tell me, Can God turn water into OIL, yes or no? If you say Yes He can, then how is it so difficult for you to believe that God can create a billion year old Earth in 6 days?

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Here is a question i know you will not answer with a Yes or a No.
Can God create a planet in 6 days that appears to be billions of years old? Yes or No?
You will not answer Yes or No because if you answer Yes, then i will say "That is what God did" and if you answer No, then i will say "Are you saying that God CAN'T do that, He's God?"
Here is a question I know you will not answer with a Yes or a No:

Do you still beat your wife?

Your posts are full of logical fallacies and false analogies.

I could use your "Can't God do anything He wants to?" argument for a whole lot of things.

But let me ask you this:

Why would God deceive the world as you state? Why would God make the earth appear to be thousands of years old rather than billions of years old?

God is not the author of confusion.
 

DiscipleDave

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Here is a question i know you will not answer with a Yes or a No.
Can God create a planet in 6 days that appears to be billions of years old? Yes or No?
You will not answer Yes or No because if you answer Yes, then i will say "That is what God did" and if you answer No, then i will say "Are you saying that God CAN'T do that, He's God?"

exactly as i suspected would not answer the question.

Here is a question I know you will not answer with a Yes or a No:

Do you still beat your wife?
No, because i do not have a wife, gave my life to Jesus, i belong to only Him, i have been celibate now for 7.5 years.

Your posts are full of logical fallacies and false analogies.
Logical fallacies? Does anybody else see how that statement is funny? And you saying this to me, one that merely believes the Word of God and what it says, compared to you who comes up with your own logical conclusions based on your own analogies of what the Bible says. i merely believe what the Word of God says, how is that my logical fallacies and false analogies? Now if i were to come up with my own belief based on my own thinking, that would indeed be an analogy.

I could use your "Can't God do anything He wants to?" argument for a whole lot of things.
lol, but NOT the creation story, right?

But let me ask you this:

Why would God deceive the world as you state? Why would God make the earth appear to be thousands of years old rather than billions of years old?

God is not the author of confusion.
Who is confused? i'm not, i believe the Word of God exactly as the Word of God said it happened, Those who are confused are the ones who listen to ungodly men teach how old the Earth is, then that person starts to doubt what the Bible says, i mean the Bible can't be right if those learned men are right, and we know they are always right, therefore doubt and confusion come into play because of what men say and teach.
Tell me, Was there any confusion whatsoever BEFORE men started saying how old the Earth is? Answer Truly. There was none. EVERYONE believed the Word of God and what it said, for thousands of years. Confusion came into the picture from the Last Days generation that taught the Bible can't be correct because we have no proved the Earth is Billions of years old. Confusion from the devil only popped up into reality when ungodly men professed the Bible could not possibly be correct. It is at this time that NEW theories came into existence, saying such things like the creation story is not literal, it is all symbolic. theories that would allow the Scientists and the Bible to both be correct.
If you read my article called The Meaning of Life, you would realize we are all here to be tested. That is why there is a Judgement Day.
See you think that God would not create an Earth in 6 days that appears to be billions of years old, because you think that would be deceitful for God to do. But i know the Truth. He did exactly that to test people to see if they would believe God despite what men say is the Truth, or despite the evidence that men present as Truth. Believe God or believe men. A TEST.
i have shown you a way that you can believe the Truth of what Scriptures teach, i have shown you a logical way that God could have (and did) create the Earth in 6 days. But you refuse to believe the Truth of Scriptures, And that is not God's fault, but your own. You would do well to believe the Word of God and not the word of men.
Do you believe the Word of God that plainly teaches the Earth was created in 6 days, or do you have a theory too, so long as you don't believe what it says.
Those who know the Truth, KNOW that God could indeed create a planet in 6 days, EXACTLY like He says He did in Genesis, leave it to the last days generation to altogether change the Word the God to fit their own beliefs, which is contrary to sound doctrine, There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth during the hour of temptation, When people will be reaping corruption in their flesh, because all their life they were sowing to their flesh.

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Tell me, Was there any confusion whatsoever BEFORE men started saying how old the Earth is? Answer Truly. There was none. EVERYONE believed the Word of God and what it said, for thousands of years. Confusion came into the picture from the Last Days generation that taught the Bible can't be correct because we have no proved the Earth is Billions of years old.
Even Augustine suggested that the biblical text should not be interpreted literally if it contradicts what we know from science and God-given reason.

Your inerrant and infallible and divinely inspired KJV used to print the dates, as in 4004 BC, right next to the verses in Genesis 1. Those dates were in the KJV for a couple hundred years.

Why do you suppose those dates were taken out?

Many Christians and denominations do not agree with your interpretation.

Now, you are entitled to your interpretation.

If you say you believe what you believe based on faith, fine.

The mistake Young Earth Creationists make is misrepresenting science.
 

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Even Augustine suggested that the biblical text should not be interpreted literally if it contradicts what we know from science and God-given reason.

Your inerrant and infallible and divinely inspired KJV used to print the dates, as in 4004 BC, right next to the verses in Genesis 1. Those dates were in the KJV for a couple hundred years.

Why do you suppose those dates were taken out?
Truly, i just learned something from you, i was unaware that there were dates next to the verses, i did not know that, i will have to research that, not that i am doubting you, but i will have to look into that.

Many Christians and denominations do not agree with your interpretation.

Now, you are entitled to your interpretation.
Please do not say it is my interpretation, as if giving me the credit for coming up with this Truth, it is not my interpretation. It is written interpretations belong to God, not to men. Men should not interpret the Word of God, because they do, is the reason the Church Body is so divided today with over a hundred different denominations. What i teach is not from me, but from He has told me these things, which is God. Call me crazy, call me a loon, it does not change the Truth, that what i teach is what He told me to teach. If you do not believe me, it is not i that you disagree with, but you disagree with the one who told me these things. i will not take credit for this Truth, it is not mine, but His.

If you say you believe what you believe based on faith, fine.
i never said that i believe what i believe based on faith, i don't believe the World was created in 6 days, i KNOW it was created in 6 days, because that is what He told me, and i know what He tells me is True. i don't believe the Earth was created in 6 days, i KNOW it was created in 6 days.

The mistake Young Earth Creationists make is misrepresenting science.
lol, i love science, i really do, But i love Scriptures more.

I Cor 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

The wisdom of this world is but foolishness to God, What the wise scientist say is Truth, is but fiction to a Creator God. What Scientist say is FACT, God proves to be foolishness. Tell me, is there one scientist in all the world that says it is possible to walk on water? What, not even one would say it is possible? What man says is impossible, is possible with God. Man says it is impossible that the Earth is as the Bible says, Yet God made it possible, and did so.
Anyone who teaches things contrary to the Word of God, will not enter into Heaven, so tell me since you believe the scientists so much, how many of them do you think will enter into Heaven? How many of them believe things contrary to the Scriptures? You go a head and trust those who are not going to Heaven, to teach you about what the Bible says or don't says. lol indeed.

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DiscipleDave said
Here is a question i know you will not answer with a Yes or a No.
Can God create a planet in 6 days that appears to be billions of years old? Yes or No?
You will not answer Yes or No because if you answer Yes, then i will say "That is what God did" and if you answer No, then i will say "Are you saying that God CAN'T do that, He's God?"
many think the 6 days of creation in our current days. 1 day is 24hrs which we get by calculating 1 earth rotation. in the creation days the earth was still a work in progress and not complete until after the 6th day therefore there most likely were no 24 hr days in those 6 days.
also what is a day to our Lord? what seems like generations of lifetimes to us may be a blink of an eye to our Lord. the knowledge of how the Almighty did it may be obtainable knowledge but its complex and sacred, it can not easily be obtained by reading Genesis and doing a little simple math, this kind of knowledge can only be seen when the Lord opens your eyes when you are ready. IMO
 
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Please do not say it is my interpretation, as if giving me the credit for coming up with this Truth, it is not my interpretation. It is written interpretations belong to God, not to men. Men should not interpret the Word of God, because they do, is the reason the Church Body is so divided today with over a hundred different denominations. What i teach is not from me, but from He has told me these things, which is God. Call me crazy, call me a loon, it does not change the Truth, that what i teach is what He told me to teach. If you do not believe me, it is not i that you disagree with, but you disagree with the one who told me these things. i will not take credit for this Truth, it is not mine, but His.
Then you must be God.

Many individuals and denominations have said they have the real truth and nothing but the truth.

So anybody who does not agree with you does not agree with God?
 

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DiscipleDave said : Please do not say it is my interpretation, as if giving me the credit for coming up with this Truth, it is not my interpretation. It is written interpretations belong to God, not to men. Men should not interpret the Word of God, because they do, is the reason the Church Body is so divided today with over a hundred different denominations. What i teach is not from me, but from He has told me these things, which is God. Call me crazy, call me a loon, it does not change the Truth, that what i teach is what He told me to teach. If you do not believe me, it is not i that you disagree with, but you disagree with the one who told me these things. i will not take credit for this Truth, it is not mine, but His.
Then you must be God.
Where in all of Scriptures, are they who God talks to are considered a God? God has talked to many people, and just because God continues to talk to people today, because He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, does not make them a God because He talks to them. lol what you said made me chuckle

Many individuals and denominations have said they have the real truth and nothing but the truth.
and your point is?

So anybody who does not agree with you does not agree with God?
Well that is for you to decide is it not? i know to whom is talking with me, and that is God. IF He tells me something, then i tell you that something, and you do not believe it, Then you do not believe the ONE that told me. Now i say it is God, and i know it is God, But you have to decide if what i say comes from God, comes from God. Does the things i teach sound like they come from demons? LOVE ONE ANOTHER, Stop obeying satan, Believe the Bible and what it teaches, Do these things sound like the words of demons? Have i promoted anything CONTRARY to Scriptures? No i have not, only contrary to what you THINK is the Truth, which you have learned from men. Did God tell you what you believe now, or did you derive this Truth from your own thinking, and from what men have said and taught. What you believe to the the Truth contradicts what i teach, which is NOT contrary to Scriptures.
The world will reject the Truth, Does the World love you? Do you love the World? If the world loves you, and you love life and this world, how is the Truth in you. the world hates those who teach the Truth, the world embraces those who teach false truths, the world loves beliefs that are contrary to Scriptures.
God told me one time in conversation.

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is Wrong. Does that sound like the words of a devil?

He also told me.

There is no sin that you do that you can't possibly cease from. Does that sound like something a demon would teach, or something that Jesus would say?

And more than anything else, this statement He has told me more than any other.

LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

i would ask Him, Lord is it OK to war against other countries. He would say "LOVE ONE ANOTHER"

i would ask Him, Lord are we to continue to keep the 10 Commandments? He would say "I say unto you to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, do that and you fulfill the whole law" Does that sound like the words of a demon or a devil?

i know to whom i have spoken with my whole life, well up to 1994 that is. Now i could understand if you doubted because i have taught or said something that is contrary to Scriptures, But i have not, i have done nothing but tell you what He told me to teach, and what i teach is not contrary to ANY Scriptures, only contrary to what you THINK is the Truth, and therefore you say what you say above, asking me if i think i am a God.
i am sorry that you do not believe God speaks to people. Most who believe that, believe that because God has not spoken to them, therefore He does not speak to another. God was speaking to me since i was a child. By the time i was 12, i had read the entire Bible 3 times. now i have read it over 80 times. Not that makes me an expert, because it does not, i am nothing a nobody a tool God uses to teach Truths that He told me to teach, and He also told me, This generation would not accept the Truth, nor believe it. i even asked Him, then why do i need to tell them, if you already know they will not believe it. Then Jesus quoted Scriptures to me. "So they will have no cloak for their sins, that when they stand before Me on Judgement Day, they will not be able to plead ignorance, or that that they did not know" Then i understood, it is not my place to convince you of the Truth, it is only required of me to reveal it to you, what you do with it is up to you.
Again, i teach nothing that is Contrary to Scriptures, it would seem to me, if a person was Truly searching for the Truth, they would investigate, search out, and find out if what i am teaching is True or not. But no not this generation, this generation already knows the Truth, and anyone who teaches ANYTHING contrary to what they believe is the Truth, is discarded, made fun of, mocked, ridiculed, and falsely accused. NOT because they are teaching things contrary to SCriptures but because they are teaching things contrary to what they THINK is the Truth.
But i have told you the Truth, believe it, or reject it, that is up to you.

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