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Iamlearning · May 22, 2017

I have to say something about the Eucharist. Actually I have never liked the idea of eating and drinking parts of Christ (never understood it, sorry) then I have a story I understand more now, I didn't before.

Eucharist doesn't do good to you. If you take the Holy Communion with sin, this means you are eating your sin and future death and doom. More guilt and self-loathe here because we are all sinners and actually nobody should be taking the Holy Communion without being sinless. This means no one period. Apart from that, it does not do good to people. Here's my story. Please let me spare the details. The Holy Communion can be used to harm people spiritually, there's how. I know an old couple and he is a recurrent cheater. The wife forces this man to go to mass and forces him to have the Holy Communion in mortal sin, and she's very proud to say she's doing this to him. He is sick and now she is developing some sort of very aggressive dementia even if she's not that young. None of the couples in the family stay together, they are all divorced. Women flee from that family. Once that woman I was talking about talked to me in the face being angry and I can swear she looked like a devil. People steal from them, they have stalkers, they have bad health and accidents. When I look at them I always think the Lord is punishing him for years and years of this gruesome heresy. That's why I have stopped believing in that as well. Besides, the more I think of it, the more I believe the whole Roman Catholic Church has economic interests behind. I have only seen wealthy people have a position in the cofradías. Mind it, I have also seen miraculous healings in the RCC, but it was always because of the faith of the believer in the Lord. This should say something.

On the other hand, I REALLY like this concept of sharing communion in remembrance. Community and remembering God and sharing our food. This looks sound and correct!!!! At least something I can understand and agree with!!!!!!!

My I am learning so much here that I am feeling even better about the OCD. Not feeling so self-loathe anymore. Perhaps I needed to get rid of these thoughts and practices to be OK.

Iamlearning · May 22, 2017

mailmandan said:

That is the false doctrine of "transubstantiation."

Jesus is the Bread of Life. Just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers. "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." (John 6:35) As He was accustomed, Jesus used figurative language to emphasize these great spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

The literal interpretation is absurd and revolting, leading to cannibalism and the drinking of blood contrary to the commandment of God. No eating of any flesh can give spiritual life. By faith we partake of Christ, and the benefits of His bodily sacrifice on the cross and the merits of His shed blood, receiving and enjoying eternal life. Eating and drinking is not with the mouth and the digestive organs of our bodies, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as He makes abundantly clear by repeating the same truths both in metaphoric and plain language. Compare for example the following two verses:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life” (v47).

“He who eats this bread will live forever” (v58).

“He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is even more striking between verses 40 and 54:

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (v40).

“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (v54).

John 6 does not afford any support to the false Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is an emphatic statement on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

Agreeing, thank you for the teaching and the explanation. God bless you always

Iamlearning · May 22, 2017

Ariel82 said:

Yes they are I am trying to transition slowly and carefully. I don't go to their masses though, I only listen to their cathechism which is about basically faith upon what God did for us and the Love of God and its power on people. The moment I see something I don't like, I leave, but by now I am seeing very worthy people in this group. I can learn from them too, if God so wills.

Iamlearning · May 22, 2017

garee said:

Leaving one denomination in a hope that comes from hearing God of finding another as did Saul when he left the Pharisees sect (denomination) and came under the leadership of Nazarene sect can be like gluing together two pieces of paper, some part stay, the other moves on.

Patience, the first works of His love working in us must come. If He has begun the good work he will finish it.

Coming from a denomination where it is necessary to seek the approval of men (seen) before a person can believe God, not seen, like the Pope can be a slow process of trusting the unseen.(the faith principle). Keep in mind God causes the growth no matter how much studying we do. in order to try and keep us humble . He says in a parable; if you eat honey in respect to His word be careful not to eat to much or we will vomit up the little he has given.

“How we hear God” who is not a man as us to what His Spirit says to the churches can help a person not to become like the antichrists’ we are warned of. They insist we do need a man to teach us as if they alone heard the voice of God.

1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

The warning that comforts us…exposing the methodology of the father of lies reads...

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that "any man teach you": but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:26

I think we all find our place in the end always if God is guiding us. My feeling better from my self-loathe OCD today and having finally the courage to pray to the Lord directly (not only rosaries and such) for me is a sign that I should follow this way. Thank you for your answer blessings and love

blue_ladybug · May 22, 2017

Just remember that communion is nothing more than a piece of bread and some grape juice. It's not Jesus' actual flesh and blood, like some catholics believe it is.. It's done in remembrance of Him, but not to actually partake of His flesh and blood.

Monnkai · May 22, 2017

Iamlearning said:

Dearest all, most of you probably know me already and know I came as a Catholic. I have been reading a lot of your posts and this has made me wonder this is indeed an heretical practice. I have seen many evidence. And also I have seen here a real community in spite of the arguments that I have never seen at a Catholic church.

First of all my parents were both Catholics and they were a real mess and I mean terrible, not get into details. It is incredible the amount of self-loathe they felt for themselves, for each other, for us our children. Then I tried to turn my husband to Catholicism, and he was better than when he was a dark heavy metal lol but he became very cold and apathetic. I think he started self-loathing too.

There is no way I succeed in life and my levels of self-loathe are peaking, increase that with OCD.

Today my mum scolded me for anything that goes through her mind, no matter if I did something wrong or not (mind it I am 37) she has been doing it all her whole life, since I was a very small child I mean 3 or 4. She abused me verbally for everything my father and brothers did to her. This has made my OCD go crazy too. Same with my in-laws, they are also Catholic and are a complete and absolute mess their level of sin is rocketing. My husband is OK because of some miraculous grace or perhaps because God wanted someone to help me survive at my side. God gave me my husband to help me spend another day.

Today in the heat of the discussion I tried something different, instead of answering back or trying to defend myself, I left her rant (she is incredibly cruel in the things she says to me) said nothing and instead I lowered my eyes and began to call the LORD to protect me, to not let her words touch me, protect me from the devil of her rage, repeat to me that LORD loves me and that I am a worthy person worthy of being loved and protected and respected.

This was a little miracle, her ranting gradually stopped and she is now almost normal (her personal level of normal at least)

As I was praying my husband showed to be more supportive to me, less cold and also calmer.

I know this is very personal and not biblical question but as Blue Ladybug told me Catholicism is poisonous and I actually see it as proof of how poisonous it can really be in my family. It has lead us to debt and self-destruction. My family is Catholic but not Christian at all let alone have any Christian virtues.

That's why I am taking the final decision (it was already running through my mind for days) to leave Catholicism as if it was a house on fire.

I want to be a real Christian and live life according to God and the Scriptures, because I have seen prayers have power, they saved me today from another OCD attack. And I wanted to be safe instead to lost to some kind of heresy.

How can I become a Christian? If I keep on being a Catholic it is going to kill me. My OCD is going crazy when I go to church, where I feel also harshly judged by priests and the congregation, with all that holier-than-thou attitude. It feels like drinking poison.

I want to leave Catholicism for good. Blue Ladybug already adviced me very kindly to stop adorating saints the Virgins and dead people and taking the holy communion, and have a personal relationship with God alone no priests as intermediaries (which is a relief) What should you advise me to do?

I really will thank you for your anwers for I am in a very forlorn, very scared state right now. Thank you all for your advice and God bless you.

Sorry I couldn't message you sooner IamLearning. I've taken a break from most of the internet due to overwhelming stress from gossip and internet news. I am soooo happy to hear you finally broke the chain that was holding you down. You're life will not be perfect, in fact it will probably get harder to control sinning, but do not give up. You have an almighty God to lean on now. I just be came a real christian about a year ago so I don't think I'm qualified to give you any advice other then read the bible and pray alot! You will be in my prayers and if you have any questions PM me. Congratulations once again and God Bless!

Iamlearning · May 22, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

Definitely not doing that anymore, it actually went against my instincts. As for the story I told about the old couple, I don't think the taking the Communion in sin and in bad intention harmed them really, but the Lord seeing what they were (are) doing with their sacraments, which I consider very offensive.

garee · May 22, 2017

Rockrz said:

We do not adhere to the apostles sent ones. Its not their words they are sent with ..

I see no no difference its all one and the same kind of "law of the fathers" as oral commandments of men who others must seek the approval of as the approval of men(High Priest, Pope or die.

What can be said of the first century reformation in which Saul who at that time period came out of a dark false religion (Pharisees sect)as a law of the fathers.... having letters of High priest giving His approval just as with the Pope in the fifteenth century reformation a perfect pattern In both cases through a false zeal for God killing that seen,(out of sight out of mind )apposed "all things written in the law and the prophets" (sola scriptura)

Just follow the pattern set before us.Christ did not call those kind of fathers, a brood of vipers without effect.

I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.Act 22:3-5

Paul converted and under the new leadership of the new sect(denomination)

For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:Act 24:5

In response to their false accusations ....

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Act 24:13

The difference in fathers is clear, rather than worshiping the God of the fathers they worshipped the fathers as God committing blasphemy by violating the first commandment, having it as a commandment of men an oral tradition that was binding them to putting their faith in men rather than worshipping our Father in heaven .

Iamlearning · May 22, 2017

Monnkai said:

Thank you very much

I will keep your advice and keep on praying and reading the Gospel. God will guide me from that on. Many blessings and much love

Rockrz · May 22, 2017

Well, if you cannot see any difference between what God's Word teaches and what the cathloholics are teaching then... you must not own a Bible and if you did you must not be ccomparing cathlik teaching to the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus never did tell anybody to pray to His momma or even to contact his momma and see if she would put in a good word for us...

Sagart · May 23, 2017

Iamlearning said:

Thank you for your answer and nice to meet you, I have no doubts whatsoever that there are wonderful people in the Roman Catholic Church and thank God for that, I was referring to my particular education of adorating idols (one of them money) and obeying other individuals who are very often judgemental and holier-than-thou and that instill a sense of self-loathe in you because I am still to find real forgiveness at the Roman Catholic Church. Oh no, the labels remain regardless of what you do or how much you confess. I am not inventing this because I have seen it in my two families, there is apart from loads of gossip some sort of adoration of eternal guilt and despair and punishment. I am sure many people follow the Roman Catholic Church doctrines rightly but it was not my experience. In my experience there was a glorification of agony and self-loathe and pain. Some people still use scourge. If you don't believe me, just look for popular images of Spanish Lent and Easter, here is an example:

God died for our sins very painfully and horribly and brutally but there is an undeniable glorification of his torture at the Calvary in the Spanish culture that by very very far surpasses the fact of Resurrection Pentecost and the Holy Spirit and even let me say Salvation. The most popular images all along Spain are brutally beaten Christs (the more beaten the better) and desperately crying Virgins all of them covered in flowers and jewels. This is bad, sorry to say this. I remember watching these images as a child perhaps five years old and thinking if I am a good person like this man on the cross the "baddies" will also beat the hell out of me and make me bleed my guts. I still haven't been able to get rid of this idea completely, because of the generous glorification of torture of God instead of the positive and crucial message of Resurrection and Pentecost and being Saved by Grace and God's Generosity. This permeates in your culture, and makes you glorify pain agony and torture of Jesus Christ, almost everybody celebrates the death of Christ in Lent and Easter (Semana Santa) and many many people participate but a great deal of those forget what comes next altogether. I think this is not good culturally speaking and not uplifting. Just my 2 cents and open for any kind of debate and opinion God bless you.

You can research it yourself, Spanish Semana Santa, many many people participate who completely forget about the church the rest of the year, it's like a social event of sorts. People gather in brotherhoods (cofradías) but it's more a social club than anything. These brotherhoods all make reference to the torture and bleeding of Christ or the desperate pain of the Virgin Mary. My poor father beloged to one. It was called "The Christ of the Agony". This is what I am referring to.

I am very much aware of the paganism that is still found in many Latin Roman Catholic Churches, but that paganism is not a part of Catholicism, nor is it endorsed by the Roman Catholic Church. Therefore, it is not a matter of leaving Catholicism and becoming a Christian; it is a matter of finding a good church in which to worship and fellowship—whether that be finding a good Roman Catholic Church, or a good Protestant church. However, it is every Christians responsibility to be a good and faithful Christian, and in the New Testament—and in especially in Paul’s epistles—we find instruction regarding how to be a good and faithful Christian

Rockrz · May 23, 2017

Sure it is... they don't follow God's Word so it's not of God.

Man, the devil sure has you snookered.

You should see if you can find catholik practices in the Bible... and when you cannot you'll undertand they don't follow God's Word.

Katy-follower · May 23, 2017

Willie-T said:

But it's not done in remembrance. In fact, it's even listed as an anathema if you reject the propitiatory nature of the eucharist. Not only this but the priest claims to have the power and authority to bring Christ down from His throne to be offered repeatedly! That Christ obeys the priest's command!! How dare anyone say this!

The catholic eucharist is a non bloody sacrifice that they offer up for sins. Their mass is a complete rejection of Jesus' ONE perfect sacrifice on the cross, as the only atonement for sins. He said "it is finished". When one tries to add to the work of Christ on the cross, they are saying that His sacrifice was not sufficient. A complete rejection of Jesus. The priests are blind leaders of the blind, but both will fall in a ditch (Matthew 15:14).

One of the scriptures I've been remembering a lot lately...

Hebrews 10:11-18: And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

Katy-follower · May 23, 2017

Here is a great video for anyone interested. Richard Bennett is an ex catholic priest.

The video starts at 8:20...

[video=youtube;WQ4ga7c3sd0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ4ga7c3sd0[/video]

ceper · May 23, 2017

Iamlearning said:

Shaloom,
I feel grateful that you realize to come to Christ does not require the intercession of the saints, Christ is crucified to pay for our sins, and that means we do not need to find a way or an intermediary to come to God. So, whenever and wherever we can come to Him to speak whatever we want to say.

Well, in the matter that you face, I feel that, not only you who need help but your mother also need help. So, pray for your mother too. Ask God to visit him so that she realizes that the way of salvation is only in Christ. We only ask for help directly to Christ and not through the intercession of the saints.
Pray To Christ that all the powers of darkness that haunt your family are rejected in the name of Jesus Christ.

And also Pray for you, your husband and your children, to be strong through all the bad things that happen in your family.

Rockrz · May 23, 2017

The catholic eucharist is a non bloody sacrifice that they offer up for sins. Their mass is a complete rejection of Jesus' ONE perfect sacrifice on the cross, as the only atonement for sins. He said "it is finished". When one tries to add to the work of Christ on the cross, they are saying that His sacrifice was not sufficient. A complete rejection of Jesus. The priests are blind leaders of the blind, but both will fall in a ditch (Matthew 15:14).

This is why it's a false, works based religion that is not accepted by God.

Iamlearning · May 24, 2017

ceper said:

Thank you I am praying a lot, by now there is a lot of darkness still among us (apparently increasing since yesterday) so I believe I am on the right track. The horned one must be angry and attacking. He is good at using my mum unfortunately. But I have my husband. So I pray a lot, asking the Lord for a lot of help. Feeling very forlorn again today.

Iamlearning · May 24, 2017

Katy-follower said:

Really liked this answer thank you, it makes me focus more on Christ's sacrifice and seeking Him alive than praying a number of Hail Marys or Rosaries or whatever for the atonement of sins. This looks like a strange bargain now, confession makes no sense without repentance and changing your ways, which very few people do after confessing, a couple Hail Marys cannot attone for any sin but the real and true willpower and action to change your ways. God bless you and thanks again.

Iamlearning · May 24, 2017

Katy-follower said:

This was awesome and also hair-raising. Thank you very much for sharing this video, it was very clarifying. God bless you endlessly.

Iamlearning · May 24, 2017

Sagart said:

I am already looking for good Evangelical churches where I live and doing my research. Also trying to get the best instruction. Doing my best really, to do things right and be coherent and consistent. Nice to meet you, thank you and many Blessings

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