Genesis 1 vs John 1

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Which predates the other, not in publication, in time?
 
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Spokenpassage

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John 1:1 speaks directly of God, who is also the Word, being always there from the beginning, Genesis 1:1 speaks of what He did.
 
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I don't know. That's why the ? Was there.
 
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Jag can you imagine if time does not exist, then nothing can predate nothing. I think of space and the greatness of it, then I think of time and how long can I imagine back in time. Or try tothink forward, how far can I think in the future.... Well time does not exist for God. a Million yearts can be like a split second and even shorter. And a second can be trillion years or even longer... Time and space does not exist for God. He is older and will live longer than we can even imagine. And god is bigger than space itself... WOW I get dizzy just hinking these simple things.... Even all the time the earth will exist is only a blink of an eye of time for God... WOW!
 
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Yeah I'm going with genesis also.
 
Dec 12, 2013
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Which predates the other, not in publication, in time?
Anything that had a beginning, had it's beginning with God as God predates by (eternity) anything that had a beginning. HAH
 

posthuman

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he is called

I AM

before time,

I AM

after time,

I AM

He speaks of the future in past tense. He is before all things and after all things, He remains.

He is the beginning and the end, and before the beginning, I AM
just as also after the end, I AM.

AMEN!
 

john832

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John 1:1 predates Gen 1:1. Before there was a universe God existed. He created a Spiritual creation evidenced by this...

Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Now we read this...

Heb 8:4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law;
Heb 8:5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "SEE THAT YOU MAKE ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN SHOWN YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN."

So everything that Moses made (or had made) concerning the Tabernacle predated this time in heaven. The physical creation could well be 14.5 billion years old as we are told, the Biblical account allows for that. but the Spiritual creation predates all.

Now John 1...

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

So Christ was with the Father prior to verse 3 when ALL things were made, both Spiritual and physical.
 

crossnote

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All we know that in both it was a long inning (in the 'biginning'). ;)
 
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Arwen4CJ

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Neither predates the other. The first sentences are the same. "In the beginning...."

I don't know Greek, but I've heard that the phrase "In the beginning" in John 1:1 is identical to the Septuagint "in the beginning" in Genesis. It's the same phrase, and it means exactly the same thing. God is eternal, and has always existed, so it means that God has eternally been triune.