Genesis 1

[Historicist]

Exodus 20:11 KJV
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This verse is clear the earth and everything in it was created in 6 days.

Yes, but "made" (asah, Strong's #6213) is not the same as "create" (bara, Strong's #1254) in Genesis 1:1. If someone says they "made" their bed it means they arranged it, they put it in order. It does not mean they "created" the bed. The first three chapters of Genesis are recognizable as written in a style different from the rest. The reason for this is that it was probably translated, not from Hebrew, but from ancient cuneiform tablets. The late E. Raymond Capt, in his book Biblical Antiquities: Book I explains this very well. Brother Capt, an old earth advocate, had a list of credentials which fully qualified him to write and speak on this subject.

Historicist

 

[RedTent]

Yes, but "made" (asah, Strong's #6213) is not the same as "create" (bara, Strong's #1254) in Genesis 1:1. If someone says they "made" their bed it means they arranged it, they put it in order. It does not mean they "created" the bed. The first three chapters of Genesis are recognizable as written in a style different from the rest. The reason for this is that it was probably translated, not from Hebrew, but from ancient cuneiform tablets. The late E. Raymond Capt, in his book Biblical Antiquities: Book I explains this very well. Brother Capt, an old earth advocate, had a list of credentials which fully qualified him to write and speak on this subject.

Historicist

For a long time the bible was not written down at all, it was oral, handed down from memory. The root of Hebrew is pictograph, the alphabet developed from that.

I think that Christians are required, by God, to sometimes say "I don't know, for God didn't explain that". God tells us what we need to know. When we put two and two together, and pull apart scripture for more than it tells us, often our human reasoning can get it wrong. We are not to add to scripture or take any scripture away.

We need to know that God created the world. In Isaiah we find the God created evil. When Adam made us aware of evil, we need to know there is such a thing in our world, and in the Lord's Prayer, we need to ask to be protected from it. That is enough.

 

[tripsin]

Did he call his creation perfect? Just asking that is.

Vines says, basically, that 'perfect' meant 'complete' or 'completeness.'

 

[tripsin]

Yes, but "made" (asah, Strong's #6213) is not the same as "create" (bara, Strong's #1254) in Genesis 1:1. If someone says they "made" their bed it means they arranged it, they put it in order. It does not mean they "created" the bed. The first three chapters of Genesis are recognizable as written in a style different from the rest. The reason for this is that it was probably translated, not from Hebrew, but from ancient cuneiform tablets. The late E. Raymond Capt, in his book Biblical Antiquities: Book I explains this very well. Brother Capt, an old earth advocate, had a list of credentials which fully qualified him to write and speak on this subject. Historicist

I'm going to see if I can get the book. So far all I have been able to find is volume III.

 

[tripsin]

The Bible does require us to believe in a re-creation 6000 years ago that occurred in seven 24 hour days.

Six 24 hour days starting at verse 3. God rested on the seventh.

I prefer to say 're-construction' and further creation. For it is only mentioned that God 'created' on the fifth and sixth days. Also, those where the only days he blessed what He had created.

 

[weakness]

Sure why not, Genesis 1:1-5 all occurred on day 1 then.

....Now where was the light coming from at this point?
and I guess the planets were done in day 1 as well[/QUOTE Rev. talks about God being the light, I suppose God was that light before the sun and moon were made some Another thing I think, the spiritual is another dimension.for now any way ,so space and time are the dimension we and the creation are in . We think of Heaven being (out there) in a space ,being occupied, I think heaven ,or Gods dwelling place is not in space or time ,but eternal.Rev. speaks of the throne and associated being and features. Another place God said heaven is home and earth is his foot stool, so who can build a habitation (speaking of building him a temple made with hands) for God . But now we know that God has choosen us ,his children to be his habitation and his inheritance. we are the temple of God! And as Jesus said the kingdom of God comes not with observation but is in the midst of you. Where there is a king there is a kingdom.

 

[weakness]

The only contradiction is in your own mind and how you interpret it. As you said a day is measured by 1 rotation of the earth. So then on day 1 God made the earth and started is rotating.[/QUOTE In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, and the earth was without form and void.Here is the earth in the beginning but without form and void.

 

[RedTent]

If God satisfied our Hellinistic Greek mindset instead of the Hebrew mindset, and made Genesis a manual on how to do it, along with exact times in our conception of time, not eternal time, just where would that get you in your walk with God? If, when Adam ate of the tree so Adam learned good and evil, instead of saying he ate forbidden fruit it was a scientific manual on details and your mind could comprehend the mind of God, what would that mean to us?

What is wrong with accepting what God tells us to accept, and stop probing for more than God gives?

 

[Laodicea]

LClark, I read the article and do agree, the Bible does not require us to believe that the universe was created in six 24 hour days, a mere 6000 years ago only. This interpretation is partially the result of King James (I'm a KJV advocate) and earlier translators, those who, at that time were not even aware of such things as dinosaur fossils. Genesis 1:1 does teach that God created that of which the universe consists---out of nothing. In this I firmly believe, but there is not enough detail in these chapters to say exactly when time, space, matter and energy were created (again, out of nothing). Yes, scripture does say that in six days the Lord God made heaven and earth, but "made," in this context does not mean "create" as in Genesis 1:1. Do a word study on "made" and you will better understand this. This best explantion on this subject I know of is in the book Bible Antiquities by the late scholar and archaeologist E. Raymond Capt. Brother Capt's old earth explanation is very convincing.

Historicist

It looks like you are basing the age of the earth on science rather than on the Bible. The Bible is clear that death entered this world because of the sin of Adam, it was not here before. To say that death was in this world before the sin of Adam is to make a liar out of the Bible.

 

[tripsin]

It looks like you are basing the age of the earth on science rather than on the Bible. The Bible is clear that death entered this world because of the sin of Adam, it was not here before. To say that death was in this world before the sin of Adam is to make a liar out of the Bible.

World = mankind. It is not referring to the 'global earth.' "Therefore just as through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin, death; and thus death passed on to all men - - ."

 

[Laodicea]

World = mankind. It is not referring to the 'global earth.' "Therefore just as through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin, death; and thus death passed on to all men - - ."

Again you try to change the meaning of the Bible to suit your own doctrine rather than read it as it is. Because this verse refutes your doctrine therefore you have to change the meaning.

 

[VCO]

In studying the feast of tabernacles, it is evident that God gives revelation at the appropriate times in the course of events. It indicates that there are question. What, when where how, and so on.
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I AGREE! Christians can learn a great deal from studying the "Seven Feasts of Israel"; and the best site to do so, is Zola Levitt's:

ZLM Video Series: “The Seven Feasts of Israel”