Genesis and Modern Science

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AnandaHya

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I don't really understand the controversy. I'm most likely to annoy both Bible scholars and scientists but I thought I'd give you my working Hypothesis on both and see what you guys thought. Again please remember what a hypothesis is. I'm quite willing to test and revise it if needed. For we should seek GOD's truth and not our own understanding or "rightness" on matters pertaining to the world.

Early Earth - National Geographic Magazine

"Its birth pangs began some 4.6 billion years ago as rock and ice particles swirling around the young sun collided and merged, snowballing to produce ever larger planetary building blocks. In violent pileups, they smashed together to create planets, including the infant Earth. In the turmoil, another body, as big as Mars, struck our planet with the energy of trillions of atomic bombs, enough to melt it all the way through. Most of the impactor was swallowed up in the bottomless magma ocean it created. But the collision also flung a small world’s worth of vaporized rock into orbit. Debris quickly gathered itself into a ball, and since then Earth history has unfolded beneath the blank stare of the moon.

After the moon’s fiery birth, the Earth’s surface cooled. Even so, our planet remained an alien world for the next 700 million years; scientists call this time the Hadean, after the Greek underworld. Rafts of solid rock drifted in the magma like dark ice floes. Gases hissed from the cooling rock—carbon dioxide, nitrogen, water vapor, and others—enveloping the planet in a scalding atmosphere devoid of oxygen. As the temperature dropped further, the steam condensed into rain that fell in primordial monsoons and filled the ocean basins.

These first oceans may have been short-lived. Space rubble left over from the birth of the planets—chunks of rock tens to hundreds of miles across—bombarded Earth throughout the Hadean. The greatest impacts might have boiled the oceans away, forcing the process of cooling and condensation to begin again.

By 3.8 billion years ago the impacts relented. Liquid water could persist. About that time, perhaps in the oceans, lifeless chemical reactions crossed a threshold, producing molecules complex enough to reproduce themselves and evolve toward greater complexity. Life was on a road that led, as early as 3.5 billion years ago, to single-celled, blue-green cyanobacteria that flourished in the sunlit parts of the oceans. By the trillions, these microscopic organisms transformed the planet. They captured the energy of the sun to make food, releasing oxygen as a waste product. Little by little they turned the atmosphere into breathable air, opening the way to the diversity of life that followed."

Genesis 1

The History of Creation

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.


Ok what do you think it means that "darkness was on the face of the deep" and notice that "the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters?"

Let there be light I always thought was the lightening that released oxygen from the water like in the Urey and Miller experiments.... Now how can we have day and night when the sun and moon and stars aren't formed until day 4? If the light was lightening or the movement of electrons or energy ,then wouldn't it make more sense for the night to be matter or "darkness" which "was on the face of the deep"? I'm not sure but it doesn't sound like our typical day and night as we would define them without a sun and moon.

6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.


ok this is when God created the atmosphere and our ozone, oxygen and "Heaven" and "waters were divided from waters" Without our ozone, life would not be possible because

'These first oceans may have been short-lived. Space rubble left over from the birth of the planets—chunks of rock tens to hundreds of miles across—bombarded Earth throughout the Hadean. The greatest impacts might have boiled the oceans away, forcing the process of cooling and condensation to begin again"

that would have continued to happen and God protects us from asteroids and other things people forget to thank God for....

should we go to day 3 and 4 of creation?

9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
 
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AnandaHya

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YouTube - The Early Earth and Plate Tectonics

Just thought its interesting how much science and new discoveries shows the truth of the Bible if people don't get stuck on man made traditions and interpretation of the Bible based not on the words but on how people traditionally use the words and how it is traditionally interpreted by Biblical scholars.
 
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'These first oceans may have been short-lived. Space rubble left over from the birth of the planets—chunks of rock tens to hundreds of miles across—bombarded Earth throughout the Hadean. The greatest impacts might have boiled the oceans away, forcing the process of cooling and condensation to begin again"

that would have continued to happen and God protects us from asteroids and other things people forget to thank God for....

Im confused about this part, the ozone layer isn't some invincible sheild, it protects us from Radiation and the occasional TINY asteroid. Anything bigger than say a bus would probably be left almost completely unharmed and then proceed to blow a chunk out the planet.
 
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AnandaHya

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YouTube - Origin And Evolution Of Life

Ok this is a Christian website can someone answer a few questions for me?


9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

It sounds like volcanoes making land to me and the gathering of waters into Seas? sounds like the water cycle with evaporation, condensation and rain.

11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.


That describes what happens to islands and how grass first appear and then progresses eventually to trees that bear fruit. Fruit is useful because animals eat them and they spread the seeds to places that would not be as likely without the aid of animal movement, etc and animal poop makes good fertilizer for the seeds.

14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


now I've got more questions. what is meant by "day" and "night" what gave light to the earth before the "lights in the firmament of the heavens"? The "two great lights" are commonly referred to as the sun and moon... the light and darkness, day and night but why do you need to divide the light from the darkness? Even at night you still have the 'lesser light to rule the night" therefore what is meant by darkness? keeping in mind that Jesus is our Light?


20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


notice we only have fish/water creatures and birds?

24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day


now we have land creatures and herbivores. were the creatures created before the fifth day autotrophs or did not consume seeds and fruit?

I know science does not quite make the distinction when they define "life" but I think we as Christians should note the word "nephesh" which is translated as "life principle" or soul and does not occur until Genesis 1:20
Day 5 with the creation of sea creatures and birds.

Plants were created in day 3 and should be noted do NOT have nephesh. Therefore though scientists would like to combine both plants, protista, fungi, and bacteria into the same category as animals and other living creatures. I wonder if God does.

I think there is something unique about the Kingdom Animalia and using the findings from the other kingdoms to justify theories about the animal kingdom seems simplistic and deceptive to me but then we have DNA and fruit flies.

In the end we are still learning and we have to figure out who are we going to place our in? LOL the more I learn about anything the more questions pop up and God is the only one who has all the answers. :) But if you run across a few, please share.
 
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'These first oceans may have been short-lived. Space rubble left over from the birth of the planets—chunks of rock tens to hundreds of miles across—bombarded Earth throughout the Hadean. The greatest impacts might have boiled the oceans away, forcing the process of cooling and condensation to begin again"

that would have continued to happen and God protects us from asteroids and other things people forget to thank God for....

Im confused about this part, the ozone layer isn't some invincible sheild, it protects us from Radiation and the occasional TINY asteroid. Anything bigger than say a bus would probably be left almost completely unharmed and then proceed to blow a chunk out the planet.
sorry can't edit post after the time limit. the Earth has a core that creates a magnetic field that helps shield it, not just the ozone. let me find an article, it'd take to long to type up...
 
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AnandaHya

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"The Earth's interior is composed of four layers, three solid and one liquid—not magma but molten metal, nearly as hot as the surface of the sun.

The deepest layer is a solid iron ball, about 1,500 miles (2,400 kilometers) in diameter. Although this inner core is white hot, the pressure is so high the iron cannot melt.

The iron isn't pure—scientists believe it contains sulfur and nickel, plus smaller amounts of other elements. Estimates of its temperature vary, but it is probably somewhere between 9,000 and 13,000 degrees Fahrenheit (5,000 and 7,000 degrees Celsius).

Above the inner core is the outer core, a shell of liquid iron. This layer is cooler but still very hot, perhaps 7,200 to 9,000 degrees Fahrenheit (4,000 to 5,000 degrees Celsius). It too is composed mostly of iron, plus substantial amounts of sulfur and nickel. It creates the Earth's magnetic field and is about 1,400 miles (2,300 kilometers) thick. "

Inside the Earth, Earth's Interior Information, Facts, News, Photos -- National Geographic

Earth's Inconstant Magnetic Field - NASA Science

How magnetic fields protect us - The Earth under attack - Sun-Earth connection - Sun|trek

does that help?

 
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Yes but that still doesn't protect us from all that much. It stops us being flash fried, if god is omnipotent why such shoddy kinetic protection ?
 
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AnandaHya

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When did God make angels and other beings mentioned in the Bible?

were they considered wing birds in day 4?
 
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AnandaHya

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Yes but that still doesn't protect us from all that much. It stops us being flash fried, if god is omnipotent why such shoddy kinetic protection ?
You're still alive to complain, so would you prefer not having it at all?

Besides God might be protecting us with more but we only observe and notice this one.

kind of like some people only pray when they are in trouble and forget to thank God during the good times?

what else would you have God protect you from?

besides have you read Revelation and the asteroid that will burn up a third of everything?
 
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AnandaHya

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Revelation 8

Seventh Seal: Prelude to the Seven Trumpets

1 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand. 5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake.
6 So the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

First Trumpet: Vegetation Struck

7 The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth.[a] And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

Second Trumpet: The Seas Struck

8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. 9 And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Third Trumpet: The Waters Struck


10 Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.

Fourth Trumpet: The Heavens Struck


12 Then the fourth angel sounded: And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night.
13 And I looked, and I heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!”
 
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The vast majority of life on earth has been wiped out before by asteroids twice in fact, so I doubt it, and Id rather not have to worry about being stabbed in the back so to speak... by a space rock the size of Texas. Why would he go to all the trouble of protecting us from Radiation Solar flares etc... and leave us open to that sort of threat ?
 
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AnandaHya

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why does fire burn?
 
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I read somewhere that the other planets, especially Jupiter, also protects us from big asteriods
 

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The vast majority of life on earth has been wiped out before by asteroids twice in fact, so I doubt it, and Id rather not have to worry about being stabbed in the back so to speak... by a space rock the size of Texas. Why would he go to all the trouble of protecting us from Radiation Solar flares etc... and leave us open to that sort of threat ?
God went to a great deal of effort (so to speak, it was actually easy for Him), to prepare the earth for man's existence. Large asteroid impacts are relatively rare events. Asteroid collisions of 1km size only occur about every 500,000 years, and large asteroid collisions of 5km or larger only occur about every 10 million years. The last asteroid collision to cause major life extinction was about 65 million years ago, long before sapient humans occupied the Earth. This is because God, in His infinite wisdom, put us in a solar system with Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus, whose large gravitational fields act as a huge cosmic vacuum cleaner, to sweep up most rogue asteroid size debris before it reaches earth.

Those major asteroid collisions that occurred early in earth's existence, likely provided water, oxygen, and other materials to the earth, that were needed to sustain human life today. The catastrophic events that you mention actually brought about life in more abundance and variety as life rebounded in the vacuum created by the extinctions. It can be seen then, that these events were part of God's plan, which we, as limited humans, have little conception for.

I do believe that most of us will be in heaven, long before we have to worry about another life extinction caused by asteroids. And if one does occur, it will mark the end of our earthly existence, and the beginning of our citizenship in the kingdom of God.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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My science teacher calls us back then "Church people"

we shouldn't ignore the lies because we should learn of the lie to stay away from the lie
 
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In response to your first question, it may help you to know, that the first day of creation is; The plan of Salvation in and through Our Lord King and Saviour, Jesus the Christ; The Way, The Truth and The Light.

Forever in Christ:)
 
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Crazy4GODword

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Did you guys know the cross is in Genesis in the beginning......you can draw a diagram of it and you see three things and one of them is the Cross......maybe the other ones show the Trinity

Who knows.......but it seems kewl
 
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YouTube - The Early Earth and Plate Tectonics

Just thought its interesting how much science and new discoveries shows the truth of the Bible if people don't get stuck on man made traditions and interpretation of the Bible based not on the words but on how people traditionally use the words and how it is traditionally interpreted by Biblical scholars.
That and. . .you know. . .physics and stuff.



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AnandaHya

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In response to your first question, it may help you to know, that the first day of creation is; The plan of Salvation in and through Our Lord King and Saviour, Jesus the Christ; The Way, The Truth and The Light.

Forever in Christ:)
Which light do you think Jesus is? I thought Jesus was God, as in Immanuel "God is with us"

God spoke the first "light" into existence and separated "day" from "night" how is that possible if the sun and moon supposedly was not created until the 4th day.

When do you think angels were created? before the Genesis account starts or during the 4th day as "stars" since in Revelation "stars" are revealed to be "angels" of the seven churches? Or are they winged birds created with the great sea creatures in day four?

I don't that Genesis is the beginning of the universe but the beginning of our solar system in that day one there are already things in existence: "The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

It does not say HOW or WHEN God created the waters that he was hovering over.

Therefore it makes me think that the account we have is but a partial account of creation because we don't really need to KNOW everything GOD knows just enough to live and function as He created us to live and function as caretakers of the Earth.

However I think it would be good to study how life can be recreated on other planets and terraform the moon or Mars and advance a space colonization program. Hopefully others will look past petty skirmishes and learn to work together and actually focus on something beyond themselves.