getting dates about a young earth

[Gr8grace]

The problem with the world being 6000 year old is that we have archaeological evidence of sites which go back well beyond that, e.g. Jericho for one which goes back 9000 years +/_ 1000 years.

Gen 1:1~~New American Standard Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.



Jer 4~~ 23I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light. 24I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills moved to and fro. 25I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled. 26I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the LORD, before His fierce anger.

Satans fall?

 

[Ariel82]

Okay I admit my typo 4th day not 3rd...

However,, it's insulting the assumptions and personal attacks made about me.

You can't assume I haven't done research or if you present a logically explanation I would not listen.

I haven't been on here in a while but I would hope there are some who will attest to my character and willingness to fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I apologize if my statements don't make sense to you Tintin but what I was challenging was the commonly held scientific beliefs of traditional Judiasm and some Christians.


Some people claim the Bible says the Earth is flat and the center of the universe.

I simply state they are mistaken.

I have read cases where people claim that the Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old..I don't find it convincing.

If you can show me reasoning using the Bible, I am willing to look at it.

However, most just believe because their pastor told them so.

 

[Ariel82]

My point is the Bible isn't wrong, God doesn't lie. Just that men have misunderstood what God has said over and over again. Then they stone anyone who dare to point out that they might be wrong in their cherished misconceptions.

 

[Ariel82]

Here is an article that shows it doesn't have to be 24 hour day...
Does the Bible Say God Created the Universe in Six 24-Hour Days?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here is an article that shows it doesn't have to be 24 hour day...
Does the Bible Say God Created the Universe in Six 24-Hour Days?

do you think Moses himself would have seen it that way? (He Wrote it)

Again, Why do people want to hold back the power of God? God is the light of the world. Heaven is shown to have no sun, For Gods light will shine 24/7. Could not the 1st 4 days have been the same?

God had to create the earth in a way for life to be able to thrive.. He can't do this in a 6 day 24 hour period? Says who?

 

[Ariel82]

I didn't say God couldn't if He wanted to. My point is the Bible doesn't say He did.

Moses only saw God's back.

Science does not contradict God or the Bible, just what people claim the Bible says. When it doesn't necessarily say it.

 

[Dan_473]

anything else can be used, if it is trustworthy. Why use an untrustworthy or unreliable scientific experiment to determine so called scientific truth.

is anything in science trustworthy for exploring the distant past?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I didn't say God couldn't if He wanted to. My point is the Bible doesn't say He did.

Thats your opinion (you still have not heard what I was trying to say)

The bible does not say he DID NOT DO IT THAT WAY..

so to say the bible does not say this, or it does not say that is not a valid argument to tear other people down and being unlearned.

Moses only saw God's back.

What does that have to do with Genesis 1?

Science does not contradict God or the Bible, just what people claim the Bible says. When it doesn't necessarily say it.

No it does not science never contradicts the word. and it never will

however, Mens interpretation of what science says does. (for example. using carbon dating to tell how old something is.. not science. )

And Science does not prove an old earth, period.. It may be a good theory, But theory is not proof..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

is anything in science trustworthy for exploring the distant past?

back to the flood, of course, before the flood. I would say everything was destroyed, so we can only guess. which is what science tries to do.

 

[Ariel82]

From the article...Daniel 8 verse 26. Uses "Yom" and morning and evening like in genesis 1.

However "Yom" is not 24 hours but 3000 years and morning represents a beginning and evening and end.

It explains it better than I can and makes valid points.

 

[Dan_473]

Faith and common sense are always helpful

true! what would common sense tell us about dating the earth?

 

[Ariel82]

Wow e.g. never expected personal attacks from you.

"Unlearned" sounds like I should just let the scholars and scribes tell me what to think.

I am not trying to tear anyone down.

I am questioning why people believe as they do and if the Bible actually says what they claim.

I was I hoping for people who would reexamine what they think and see if it's really true, but instead I keep getting insulted.

If being "learned" means being closed minded, then I will stay "unlearned" and keep searching for answers.

 

[Dan_473]

There is one more thing to think about. Did God create the earth like it was totally new, or did he create things with form and substance, like mountains, oceans, rivers, etc. In other words, on Day 1, did the earth like it was new, or were there a lot of geomorphic features that could have been from any age or time, including today?

good points. did God create the world middle-aged? it would be logical... looks like God didn't create adam as a baby.

in that case, science would be right in observing the earth to be old, and "faith" would be right in believing the revelation in Genesis.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes, the 10,000 years date isn't viable from a biblical creation perspective, but it shows that the dating methods used can't be trusted. By the way, the 10,000 years is on the secular timescale, not the biblical creation timescale.

are there any "science-y" methods that can be trusted? would you then be in the 'science is useless in dating the earth' camp?

 

[Dan_473]

Whether it's 1600 or 2600 BC, doesn't that make it post flood either way?

good question... one young earth site I read put the flood at about 2500 BCE... and there would need to be time for the humans to travel up there, and assemble the pieces (maybe argue about the instructions?)

 

[Dan_473]

Try looking up red shift and the change in constants such as alpha.

what dates does one arrive at using those?

 

[Ariel82]

Anyway this thread makes me sad so I will stop checking it.

But for anyone interested..found this article on Jericho since someone mentioned it in conversation.

The story of Jericho - CMI Mobile

 

[eternally-gratefull]

From the article...Daniel 8 verse 26. Uses "Yom" and morning and evening like in genesis 1.

However "Yom" is not 24 hours but 3000 years and morning represents a beginning and evening and end.

It explains it better than I can and makes valid points.

It does not explain why God said on the 7th day we are to rest, As God did,

If god states plainly that the seventh (evening and morning) is a 24 hour period. then the first 6 days must be taken in that context.

Just because somethign CAN be that way, does not mean it is that way.

we have to take the whole cannon of scripture. Not one part of it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow e.g. never expected personal attacks from you.

Attack? I am stating a fact.. You attacked me,, I am just saying we should not attack on our beliefs, because we can not prove either of our beliefs, they are just theories.

"Unlearned" sounds like I should just let the scholars and scribes tell me what to think.

Actually, I was responding to you saying myself and others like me are unlearned. and saying we should never a particular argument (like the one you were using) to say someone is unlearned in this area,,

You did not read that right.

I am not trying to tear anyone down.

It sure came across that way.. Forgive me if I was wrong.

I am questioning why people believe as they do and if the Bible actually says what they claim.

while at the same time, the bible says what you believe, and we are "what would you say??" if we do not listen to what you say.

I was I hoping for people who would reexamine what they think and see if it's really true, but instead I keep getting insulted.

If being "learned" means being closed minded, then I will stay "unlearned" and keep searching for answers.

Then say this is what you have read and what you believe,, And leave it at that, Don't judge others for not seeing it the way you do.

Maybe you did not think you were doing this? Go back and read, how would you feel if I said your words to you..(if you believed the way I do)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

good points. did God create the world middle-aged? it would be logical... looks like God didn't create adam as a baby.

in that case, science would be right in observing the earth to be old, and "faith" would be right in believing the revelation in Genesis.

yes, Science would be right, in saying the world is of age.. But "faith" may be right in saying the actually age of the earth may be young.

ie, the earth was created in its origional state "AGED"