Gifts - Tongues and the Interpretation of Tongues

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I know, it is just some people will take the fact of it added on to deny what it said.
The problem with that is that one of the reasons it was added on was do to what was said in Acts 28:3-5......

3 But when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks and laid them on the fire, a viper came out because of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4 So when the natives saw the creature hanging from his hand, they said to one another, "No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he has escaped the sea, yet justice does not allow to live."
5 But he shook off the creature into the fire and suffered no harm.
6 However, they were expecting that he would swell up or suddenly fall down dead. But after they had looked for a long time and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds and said that he was a god.
That is exactly why you teach falsehoods...you add to the word as well as reject verb tense, definitions and verses in context....seems birds of a feather flock together......
 

notuptome

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It's an emotional argument to continually ignore and deny the free gifts God has for you to bless you and His people with. "Nuh-uh, God...don't want it. I'm good without it", and, "I don't believe what you're saying, God...you must mean your specialty gifts are for some other people long ago, 'cause today's Church is so much better than yesterday's Church!"

What self-sufficient pride.
To continually avoid what is said is not wise. To change what someone has said is less than honest. Out of the mouth come the issues of the heart.

You just are not going to get it because you refuse to hear it.

For the cause of Christ
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kennethcadwell

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That is exactly why you teach falsehoods...you add to the word as well as reject verb tense, definitions and verses in context....seems birds of a feather flock together......

See what I mean by you, as I gave a clear scripture from Acts 28:3-5 that parallels the added Mark 16, that serpents will not be able to harm believers. Then you come back with no bible references to support your stance as always....

Do you believe Acts 28 was added on to ???
 
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No scripture describes the church as complete. The church is always filled with souls who are at various stages of sanctification.
The Church of Jesus Christ will be complete when Jesus comes for His Bride--when the times of the Gentiles is what? FULFILLED!

Luke 21:24
They will fall by [SUP][a][/SUP]the mouth and the edge of the sword and will be led away as captives to and among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (completed).


Too bad for you it's a scriptural principal.
The signs are for the world, just as the gospel message is for the world. We as the Church (both believing Jews and Gentiles) are let in on the secrets.

Yes but it is Israel that is experiencing them not the Gentile church. Joel your flesh is directly referring to Israel as opposed to all flesh.
Not true. There is much addressed to Israel, but we receive it as the Body of Christ, the spiritual Israel, as co-participants in the New Covenant!

Not entirely accurate as the church will exit before the tribulation. The church is not going to see wrath. Israel is going to be judged by God during the tribulation period. Then she will look upon Him whom they have pierced and all who remain in Israel will be saved as in a day.
I am accurate: as I just said---until Jesus catches away His Bride, we continue to preach the good news of God's grace in Jesus Christ.
 

notuptome

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you can lose your salvation!?!?
It is quite common for Pentecostals to hold this belief. This was intended as an inside joke.

You are correct one cannot lose or forfeit their salvation.

For the cause of Christ
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The natural man cannot and will not understand the things of the spirit because they are spiritually discerned. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. The only true way to understand scripture is with the mind of Christ which we have as born again believers. The Holy Spirit can reveal the deep things of God so that we will not have any doubts concerning His word because the Holy Spirit is the one that inspired it. The spiritual gifts are still in operation today and one thing I know that if you do not believe you get what you receive. The coming revival is the revival of the truth of doctrine that is in scripture.
 
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It is quite common for Pentecostals to hold this belief. This was intended as an inside joke.

You are correct one cannot lose or forfeit their salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Who is the only one that can destroy the soul, and how is this done ?
 
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MadParrotWoman

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It is quite common for Pentecostals to hold this belief. This was intended as an inside joke.

You are correct one cannot lose or forfeit their salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
My pastor does not hold this belief and he is Pentecostal. Please, do not generalise.
 
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What happened at the day of Pentecost was the Apostles who all spoke the same language had the tongues given to them by the Holy Spirit of that of those from the surrounding nations that gathered outside. So it sounded strange to the Apostles because they were speaking different languages, but the crowd of people were amazed because these Jews were now speaking their languages.

In other words if you never have spoken Chinese in your life, but the Holy Spirit granted you to speak Chinese in order to give the gospel to a Chinese person who does not speak English. This is what happened at Pentecost!!!

This though is not the only mention in the bible about tongues, as Apostle Paul speaks in 1 Corinthians 13:1 of a language of angels that is also bestowed on us. This carries a clear command from Paul that it is not to be done in front of others if another one by the Spirit is not there to interpret.........
I've been to some churches around here that do this tongue thing and its always gibberish and nobody inteprets. I think these poor people do it to impress the pastor. This same pastor dunked a kid under water 5 times til the kid wisened up and just started gibbering. I asked later what it was like. He told me he did it so he wouldn't be dunked again!
 
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See what I mean by you, as I gave a clear scripture from Acts 28:3-5 that parallels the added Mark 16, that serpents will not be able to harm believers. Then you come back with no bible references to support your stance as always....

Do you believe Acts 28 was added on to ???
Does not matter what ACTS states.....doesn't give one the right to make a stand on an addition to the bible.....especially when the Acts statement is applied unto PAUL in particular and states NOTHING similar to what the added text states in MARK......wake up Kenneth and stand on truth instead of additions to truth and surmising.....! And no, you didn't give CLEAR scripture that ties ACTS to MARK 16......
 

notuptome

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The Church of Jesus Christ will be complete when Jesus comes for His Bride--when the times of the Gentiles is what? FULFILLED!

Luke 21:24
They will fall by [SUP][a][/SUP]the mouth and the edge of the sword and will be led away as captives to and among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (completed).
This is history as well as current events. Watched any news lately?
The signs are for the world, just as the gospel message is for the world. We as the Church (both believing Jews and Gentiles) are let in on the secrets.
Sorry scripture says signs are for Israel and Gentiles seek after wisdom.
Not true. There is much addressed to Israel, but we receive it as the Body of Christ, the spiritual Israel, as co-participants in the New Covenant!
The church never takes the place of Israel. The prophesies are to Israel not to the church. The church is receiving the blessing intended for Israel but the church has not replaced Israel in Gods prophesies. The tribulation is an event for Israel not the church.
I am accurate: as I just said---until Jesus catches away His Bride, we continue to preach the good news of God's grace in Jesus Christ.
Which we do from the bible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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The natural man cannot and will not understand the things of the spirit because they are spiritually discerned. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. The only true way to understand scripture is with the mind of Christ which we have as born again believers. The Holy Spirit can reveal the deep things of God so that we will not have any doubts concerning His word because the Holy Spirit is the one that inspired it. The spiritual gifts are still in operation today and one thing I know that if you do not believe you get what you receive. The coming revival is the revival of the truth of doctrine that is in scripture.
There are three that are no longer in operation.

I do not doubt Gods ability to bring revival but I do not see the church as willing to receive it. She will not come out from the world and be separated unto the Lord. Purity, virtue and holiness are virtues rapidly departing from many churches.

Can judgment be far away?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Edwin

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we must truly understand that God has already declared that He will finish what He has started. Don't look at what man sees look at what God sees. If there is only a few that receives what He has for us it will come to pass.
 
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The natural man cannot and will not understand the things of the spirit because they are spiritually discerned. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. The only true way to understand scripture is with the mind of Christ which we have as born again believers. The Holy Spirit can reveal the deep things of God so that we will not have any doubts concerning His word because the Holy Spirit is the one that inspired it. The spiritual gifts are still in operation today and one thing I know that if you do not believe you get what you receive. The coming revival is the revival of the truth of doctrine that is in scripture.
What natural man would't want these gifts? I would LOVE to have them. The natural man wouldn't want these gifts to stop,and the natural man could never come to a conclusion why some has ceased. Only through the Holy Spirit and the study of the mind of Christ can we come to the conclusion that some have ceased. No man in his flesh would want these gifts to stop at some point.

The coming revival? It is the coming of the Apostasy. Solid doctrine is rejected by the carnal or natural man.

Jesus Christ and His divine Nature never change, His policies with mankind have changed many times.

It won't be long we will have a teacher coming along teaching ,"thou shalt not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil......." And a bunch of believers who have not went any further than the surface of His mind, will jump on his wagon.
 

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My pastor does not hold this belief and he is Pentecostal. Please, do not generalise.
I'm glad to hear that. Now what? He is wrong about tongues prophesy and knowledge if he teaches they are still active.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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I've been to some churches around here that do this tongue thing and its always gibberish and nobody inteprets. I think these poor people do it to impress the pastor. This same pastor dunked a kid under water 5 times til the kid wisened up and just started gibbering. I asked later what it was like. He told me he did it so he wouldn't be dunked again!

Yes there is a lot of churches that abuse the speaking of tongues now days.
I even have one close to where I live that another person in town invited me to, before even going they mentioned about the tongues and I asked them if anybody interpreted it when it was done. They said no to me and said it is done all the time because the church is moved by the Holy Spirit.

I told them I would not visit because that scene was not for me, and I then asked them if they knew about testing the spirits.
They said no they did not, and I showed them in the bible how it shows to test the spirits. Then I showed them how the tongues were not to be done in front of others unless one by the Spirit interprets. They then just walked away from me.....
 
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kennethcadwell

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You can plead your case in another thread.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

This was in reference of saying one can not lose salvation, so it goes exactly with what was put forth......

Who is the only one that can destroy the soul, and how is this done ?
 
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kennethcadwell

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Does not matter what ACTS states.....doesn't give one the right to make a stand on an addition to the bible.....especially when the Acts statement is applied unto PAUL in particular and states NOTHING similar to what the added text states in MARK......wake up Kenneth and stand on truth instead of additions to truth and surmising.....! And no, you didn't give CLEAR scripture that ties ACTS to MARK 16......

Come on Dcon.........

The passage in Acts 28:3-5 is clearly showing that a disciple of Christ will be protected from harm like that if they completely trust in the faith. This goes hand in hand with what the Lord said in Mark 9:23;

Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

I am not saying believers should be going around just doing snake handling as some churches have done, which is the wrong premise on how to take those passages. But we can not take away from the word of God that He will protect us through harmful times and from harmful things when it suits His will.
 

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See what I mean by you, as I gave a clear scripture from Acts 28:3-5 that parallels the added Mark 16, that serpents will not be able to harm believers. Then you come back with no bible references to support your stance as always....

Do you believe Acts 28 was added on to ???
For those who deny the authenticity of Mark 16v9-20, you might want to have a look at This ...

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