Luke 14:33, "In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple." (you can read the whole chapter in context, just didn't feel like typing it all out).
If Jesus means give up all of our wants, then I don't know of a single Christian (including myself) in my church that's going to heaven, as we're not disciples of God. If he literally means give up everything, including the shirt from our back and our food and water that we bought from the job that we have, which we also should give up, then I don't know of a single person (other than missionaries and some pastors) that would be considered disciples. Therefore most Christians on this earth are deceiving themselves.
Where is the line? What does Jesus really mean by "everything"? In theory I would even give up the last shirt that I have for Jesus, but practically that kind of seems absurd.
The second question is: Was this question directed to people who could talk to Jesus face to face? They literally would give up everything to follow him at that time. But now that we can't physically follow the man Jesus, is this commandment slightly different now that Jesus is not physically as a man on this earth? What should we give up today to truly be disciples of God?
This is something that I am uneasy about. I really want to follow God with my whole heart, but I know that I am not there yet. I'm still trying to get past certain habitual sins, so I do feel I am walking in darkness yet. But also, if I'm supposed to give up everything... that almost seems impossible unless I become a homeless street preacher who nobody listens to, or I become a missionary which I don't feel that's my calling. Any answers to help me out here is greatly appreciated. Also, if you can give references to your answers to back up what you are saying, that will also help a lot as well. Thanks in advance!
I'm just trying to do some honest soul searching here.
If Jesus means give up all of our wants, then I don't know of a single Christian (including myself) in my church that's going to heaven, as we're not disciples of God. If he literally means give up everything, including the shirt from our back and our food and water that we bought from the job that we have, which we also should give up, then I don't know of a single person (other than missionaries and some pastors) that would be considered disciples. Therefore most Christians on this earth are deceiving themselves.
Where is the line? What does Jesus really mean by "everything"? In theory I would even give up the last shirt that I have for Jesus, but practically that kind of seems absurd.
The second question is: Was this question directed to people who could talk to Jesus face to face? They literally would give up everything to follow him at that time. But now that we can't physically follow the man Jesus, is this commandment slightly different now that Jesus is not physically as a man on this earth? What should we give up today to truly be disciples of God?
This is something that I am uneasy about. I really want to follow God with my whole heart, but I know that I am not there yet. I'm still trying to get past certain habitual sins, so I do feel I am walking in darkness yet. But also, if I'm supposed to give up everything... that almost seems impossible unless I become a homeless street preacher who nobody listens to, or I become a missionary which I don't feel that's my calling. Any answers to help me out here is greatly appreciated. Also, if you can give references to your answers to back up what you are saying, that will also help a lot as well. Thanks in advance!
I'm just trying to do some honest soul searching here.
The Hebrew and Greek understanding the word hate here does not caring the same meaning in our language and culture. What Jesus is conveying is that if one is not willing to part from their family, for the sake of Christ, the savior of the world, then they are not worthy to be called a disciple. The word hate really means "to have less priority then" or "to prefer less". We can see this clearly seen with the OT story of Jacob, Rachael and Leah. The story says that Jacob hated Leah, Gen. 29:31, most translations translate this word "hate" as "not loved" or "unloved", which is a correct translation of the word IMO. However, the Hebrew word being translated "hate" is H8130 "sane". Clearly Jacob did not hate Leah, but preferred her less then Rachael (If he really hated her, he probably wouldn't have laid with her) (see some of the different translations and commentaries on this here).
You must try to understand the culture in which Jesus said this too, those who followed Jesus were seen by their own Jewish families as apostate and shunned, cast out from that family and community, and often killed. They were seen as a cult, much like how a Muslim who defects from their faith and becomes a Christian. Thus the pressure to stay with ones family and traditions was much greater then to follow Christ. Maxwel is correct, it is about priority, do we love Jesus more then our family, our things the Lord gives us, our life even? Are we willing to give things up for Christ. Psycomom is also correct in saying everything we have belongs to the Lord, and everything we have belongs to him. The responsibility we have is how we prioritize these things in relation to what Jesus tells us to do, it's about being stewards or managers of what God has entrusted to us.
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