giving principles in 2 cor 8 & 9 superior to tithing

[sutra]

Then according to that parallel if we should do one part of the law then we should be doing all of it. Another question if Paul believed that we should continue to tithe, why didn't he instruct the churches to continue in it? Why did Paul continue to work as a tentmaker and provide for himself instead taking the churches money like they do now? Instead he instructed them to gift freely with a joyful heart. 2 Cor. 9:6-13 talks about giving toward the ministry as a donation(not a tithe) so they can pass it along to the poor and needy (not a church building and the pastors salary). Ephesians 4:28 talks about the thief getting a real job so they can give to the needy(not tithe). Acts 10:4 Cornelius is commended by God for his prayer and generous gifts to the poor not for his tithing. Honestly I think modern tithing comes from the verse in the OT to tithe,and most people believing what they are told instead of searching for themselves continue to do what they are told without blinking twice. Armed with that knowledge the man/woman in authority can and does twist the verses to control and manipulate the people. Also I think it's stretching it a bit far to suggest because Christ is the rock of our salvation that it therefore says that we should pay tithes to a church.

 

[NoahsDad]

I aint sayin I'm buyin into it I'm just showin where the modern form of tithing come from

 

[LIKA]

Protecting Your Future
Genesis 25:27-34 Would you forfeit a double-share of your family's inheritance for a bowl of soup? Esau did. In one impulsive bargain, he gave up his right both to lead the family and to take a lion's share of his father's wealth. From where many believers sit in safe and well-stocked homes, Esau's actions seem ridiculous. But falling into this brand of temptation is not unique. Every person is enticed to sacrifice future blessing in favor of feeding current desires.
Esau had his priorities out of order. The Bible says he "despised" his birthright, but that does not mean he hated the benefits of being born first. More likely, Esau didn't give much thought to his position--it was doing him little good in his current life. He lived dangerously as a hunter. So how could he inherit anything if a wild animal killed him? Therefore, he placed a higher value on his immediate need for a full belly.
Esau's shortsightedness isn't all that different from some common modern scenarios. 1) When people trade family time for extra work hours, they lose the comfort of a loving household. 2) When men and women ignore God's marital standard of faithfulness, the result is a damaged or destroyed partnership. 3) When someone refuses a relationship with the Lord in order to maintain a sense of self-will, he forfeits eternity with God.
What is your "bowl of stew?" At some point, you will face a choice between future gain and present pleasure. Do not act on impulse like Esau. Consider your decisions carefully and seek God's will.

 

[sutra]

I understand that Noahsdad I wasn't saying you did, I was just posting questions that resulted from what you posted.

 

[pagie]

hi guys I seen the thing about Melchizedek come up there. some use Melchizedek as an example for the christian to tithe but the reasons I dont follow this as a good example are that (1) the bible dose not say that Abraham "freely" gave this tithe (2)Abrahams tithe was not a Holy tithe from Gods Holy land gathered by Gods Holy people under Gods Holy old Covenant (3) Abrahams tithe was from Pagan spoils of war and was required in manny Nations (4) in Numbers 31 God only required 1% of spoils of war. (5) Abrahams tithe to Melchezedek was a one time recorded event. (6) Abrahams tithe was not from his own personal property. (7) Abraham kept nothing for himself; he gave everything back (8) Abrahams tithe was not quoted anywere in the bible to endorse tithing to ISRAEL OR THE CHURCH. (9) If Abraham is an example for christians to give 10% to God, then he should also be an example for christians to give the other 90% to satan, or to the king of Sadom. Gen 14

 

[pagie]

Heb 7 makes clear if we read it from start to finish we see Melchezedek was greater then Abraham and also Greater then Levi and that the priesthood of Jesus is greater then Abraham and greater then the priesthood of Aaron or Levi(from witch the Levitical priesthood comes) comparing Jesus with Melchezedek, 7:3 without begining of days or end of life like the son of God he remains a priest for ever.

The Levitical priesthood recieved Tithes, it is important to note that these tithes that the Levites recieved were also used as sacrifices offered for there sins and for the sin of the people. Heb 7:26-28 Jesus sacrifice was once for all
if you are a christian you are a priest, and priests didnt pay tithes they recieved tithes that were used on the alter to take away sins. we became priests when we recieved Jesus who takes away sins and from whome we get our priesthood

Heb 7, dosnt have any verses in it comanding the church to tithe,
Heb 7, is an explanation of why the levitical priesthood must be replaced by Christ's priesthood because the levitical priesthood was weak.

 

[WhereToGo]

From what I can read of tithing in Scripture, it always seemed to be food, spices, etc. People who gave out of what they had received from their harvest. This goes all the way back to cain and abel... I just don't see the basis for replacing this with money.

 

[NoahsDad]

so you don't see a paralell there?Crops were their monitary Gain ,Money is our monitary Gain...... since we dot farm for a living .nor do we raise live stock

 

[Josh]

If God in flesh took a TITHE i do think he requires it thats what it says in the issue of Melksedek. Also in the book of MALACHI 2 OR 3

 

[Josh]

In MALACHI 2 or 3 God says u have robbed me in TITHING and OFFERINGS. God Himself talking of it. he also says bring the tithes in the house of the Lord so that there be food in my house. so i believe TITHE wholly belongs to the church and not to orphans and needy. God says bring it to my house which is the temple and todays church.

 

[jerrywlo]

Did Ap. Paul speak about tithing when he was collecting for the enpowereshed christian community in Jerusalem? If not then why.

 

[jerrywlo]

Are we Christians, members of the New Covenant in Spirit, supposed to follow the Covenant in Flesh?

 

[next_step]

Actually we are only partakers of the New Covenant. We have no covenant relationship with God. Jeremiah 31 is not fulfilled. We benefit and we partake but we are not "members". Israel has not been replaced by the church. Read Romans 9-11.

 

[jerrywlo]

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

 

[jerrywlo]

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

 

[jerrywlo]

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Are we not?

 

[jerrywlo]

We need to read book of Acts chapter 2 to find ourselves in proper place in relation to Jer 31 as quoted above.

 

[jerrywlo]

Then we compare it with the book of Acts 10. It should be all clear where we stand in relation to God the Father.

 

[jerrywlo]

Hi Josh

I would like, if possible, to know what makes you to say that "God in flesh took a TITHE"

Thanks

 

[jerrywlo]

We are probably far from the standard set up for us Christians by the Apostles in Ac 4:32-35. We just seem to look for a legal way to follow. It is nothing to do with spirituality isn't it?.