God’s grace (unmerited favor) and His 2 covenants
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There is salvation . . . a gift given by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
There is a walk that should accompany that righteousness we have been given . . . that "perfect" walk is a long time in coming . . . Each day is a new day in our walk . . . some things are easily put off, some things not . . . One day at a time, sweet Jesus . . . But my salvation is not dependent upon my walk . . .
There is a walk that should accompany that righteousness we have been given . . . that "perfect" walk is a long time in coming . . . Each day is a new day in our walk . . . some things are easily put off, some things not . . . One day at a time, sweet Jesus . . . But my salvation is not dependent upon my walk . . .
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That verse doesn't imply what it means to overcome, only tells of the reward for doing so. Also, Jesus' statement of "as I also overcame" is not to say we are to overcome in the same way He did, but rather is an analogy of us sitting with Him on His throne as the Father had Jesus sit down with Him (in context).
Did you miss all the verses that I shared about being an over-comer? It is through our faith in Jesus Christ, which is by grace.
Also in these prior verses to the one you posted it says...
Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.21
The reproving, the hearing of His voice, and the discipline, are these not all characteristics of someone who believes (something they experience in their walk)? As we already established, the over-comer is the person who believes in Jesus Christ, who has faith in Him. Beyond even those three attributes of a believer clearly being stated, we have a fourth and it was the first one stated, "Those whom I love." It seems to me He is clearly outlining who is the one that overcomes and that is the believer.
Did you miss all the verses that I shared about being an over-comer? It is through our faith in Jesus Christ, which is by grace.
Also in these prior verses to the one you posted it says...
Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.21
The reproving, the hearing of His voice, and the discipline, are these not all characteristics of someone who believes (something they experience in their walk)? As we already established, the over-comer is the person who believes in Jesus Christ, who has faith in Him. Beyond even those three attributes of a believer clearly being stated, we have a fourth and it was the first one stated, "Those whom I love." It seems to me He is clearly outlining who is the one that overcomes and that is the believer.
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No my friend, it can not be both, If it is, then grace is not grace, it is works.
How many times are you going to misinterpret the bible, and take words out of context.
Those who God saved Love God because God loved them, And it is them who obey Gods commands, Because they love God.
Works of righteousness are a byproduct of salvation, not a requirment of salvation, if it is a requiment of salvation, then
1. Jesus died in vein, because I can work off my own sin debt
2. Salvation is not a gift of God, it is earned by the wage of all my hard work.
3. Grace is not grace (free), it is works (earned)
How many times are you going to misinterpret the bible, and take words out of context.
Those who God saved Love God because God loved them, And it is them who obey Gods commands, Because they love God.
Works of righteousness are a byproduct of salvation, not a requirment of salvation, if it is a requiment of salvation, then
1. Jesus died in vein, because I can work off my own sin debt
2. Salvation is not a gift of God, it is earned by the wage of all my hard work.
3. Grace is not grace (free), it is works (earned)
A condescending and snarky attitude will not persuade folks nor does it source from God.
There are no warnings in Hebrews about losing salvation. Any salvation that can be lost is not of God but of self. Of course without the Holy Spirit as guide no man can ascertain the truth of the scriptures. God has said that they are foolishness to him.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There are no warnings in Hebrews about losing salvation. Any salvation that can be lost is not of God but of self. Of course without the Holy Spirit as guide no man can ascertain the truth of the scriptures. God has said that they are foolishness to him.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Yeah, the Galatians thought the same thing. Here's the kind words of encouragement Paul gave to them...
"You foolish and thoughtless and superficial Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you would act like this, to whom—right before your very eyes—Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified in the gospel message? This is all I want to ask of you: did you receive the Spirit as the result of obeying the requirements of the Law, or was it the result of hearing the message of salvation and with faith believing it? Are you so foolish and senseless? Having begun your new life by faith with the Spirit, are you now being perfected and reaching spiritual maturity by the flesh, that is, by your own works and efforts to keep the Law?" Galatians 3:1-3
"You foolish and thoughtless and superficial Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you would act like this, to whom—right before your very eyes—Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified in the gospel message? This is all I want to ask of you: did you receive the Spirit as the result of obeying the requirements of the Law, or was it the result of hearing the message of salvation and with faith believing it? Are you so foolish and senseless? Having begun your new life by faith with the Spirit, are you now being perfected and reaching spiritual maturity by the flesh, that is, by your own works and efforts to keep the Law?" Galatians 3:1-3
My desire is to ALWAYS - 24/7 - WALK upright. But "wretched man (woman) that I am" - I am still in this body of flesh and will at times stumble (sin) because my "old man" rears its ugly head! I don't "lose" the Spirit - the new creation in me, the divine nature created in me - "birthed" in me - when I don't measure up - that is why I said - my SALVATION is not dependent upon my walk for I am a child of God and will REMAIN a child of God.
IOW - my walk should reflect who I am in Christ and sometimes it does but not ALWAYS and not as much as I wish!!!
IOW - my walk should reflect who I am in Christ and sometimes it does but not ALWAYS and not as much as I wish!!!
A covenant is a legal term for a binding agreement between two or more parties.
There have been many covenant covenants mentioned in Scripture. Some are between man and man; while others are between God and man. Of those between God and man, some are unilateral--- Only God has any obligation; while others are bilateral or multilateral---- all parties have obligations or conditions. Some are between God and individuals; while some are between God and Israel or between God and mankind.
There are two general covenants currently in operation:
Both are between God and Israel and include the Church by adoption.
One is the covenant of the Law (Genesis through Deuteronomy) which is found in Deut chapter 29 and many other places.
Under this covenant, people are invited to try to earn their Salvation. There are blessings promised for complete obedience; and curses promised for partial failure.
The other is found in Jeremiah Chapter 31.
Under this covenant, God does all the work and gets all the credit. Blessings are promised for participation and failure is not an option. To participate, one must acknowledge one's sin and need for a Savior; and acknowledge Jesus' claims of Lordship (ownership) of one's life.
There have been many covenant covenants mentioned in Scripture. Some are between man and man; while others are between God and man. Of those between God and man, some are unilateral--- Only God has any obligation; while others are bilateral or multilateral---- all parties have obligations or conditions. Some are between God and individuals; while some are between God and Israel or between God and mankind.
There are two general covenants currently in operation:
Both are between God and Israel and include the Church by adoption.
One is the covenant of the Law (Genesis through Deuteronomy) which is found in Deut chapter 29 and many other places.
Under this covenant, people are invited to try to earn their Salvation. There are blessings promised for complete obedience; and curses promised for partial failure.
The other is found in Jeremiah Chapter 31.
Under this covenant, God does all the work and gets all the credit. Blessings are promised for participation and failure is not an option. To participate, one must acknowledge one's sin and need for a Savior; and acknowledge Jesus' claims of Lordship (ownership) of one's life.
In both covenants, man has a part to play in his salvation,
which includes obedience to God's commandments.
This is what all of the dire warnings are about.
They really are only to God's elect because
they are the only ones who will pay heed to them
during their sanctification unto holiness process.
which includes obedience to God's commandments.
This is what all of the dire warnings are about.
They really are only to God's elect because
they are the only ones who will pay heed to them
during their sanctification unto holiness process.
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Jer 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
KJV
Zachery,
Please use bold or color to indicate man's part.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
KJV
Zachery,
Please use bold or color to indicate man's part.
