God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself

[Shubee]

I am sorry but that is the MOST RIDICULOUS explanation of who the two witness are that I have ever heard.

Now let me give you a Biblical interpretation that at least biblically speculates who these Two Witnesses ... might be, ...

... they will have Power to do miracles, just like the Prophets of the Old Testament did, and the Apostles did when they were validating our New Testament.

Those miracles are just symbolic of Millerite miracles that validate Millerite doctrine. For example: (Ask any Trinitarian): A straightforward, elementary and undeniably valid proof that Christ before the incarnation did not possess equality with God would be a miracle!

That miracle was performed on page 1:

Now consider harpagmos. The basic idea of the word ([Greek: harpagmos] in Philp. 2:6) is that of seizing what one does not possess. —F. F. Bruce, Answers to Questions, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan Publishing House, 1972, p. 109.

And this invincible witness, which is not acknowledged to exist, is literally tormenting false Christians. To be tormented by what doesn't exist is miraculous.

 

[VCO]

The page The Fundamental Beliefs of the Millerites, Circa 2014 with its links is very specific about my core beliefs. And on page 1 of this current thread I stated the exact meaning of certain special Greek words and interpreted the phrase "the DEITY of Jesus Christ." I have already said plenty about the Trinity to the point that I can't imagine why more needs to be said.

Then if you are still standing with this definition that you posted in #1 post:

Millerites believe that Christ is a divine {implying there is more than one divine} and infinite Being that has the form of God and has all the essential qualities of God and yet is not God. Here is the scholarly support:

The Septuagint makes use of the term morphe in such passages as Judges 8:18, where it describes Gideon's brothers as having the "form" of princes. And in Isaiah 44:13 where the craftsman is described as making idols in the "form" of a man. Clearly, an idol in the "form" of a man is not equally great as a man. True exegesis reaches this irrefutable conclusion: "The form of something" refers to appearance, likeness and similarity. It is never a reference to exact equality.

Then I am reasonably sure that the vast majority of mainline Christianity would NOT consider you or those who believe like you, to be part of genuine Christianity, but rather to be part of a polytheistic psuedo-Christian cult. That is not a personal attack, but rather a statement of fact about our beliefs.

We still want reach out in LOVE and to urge you to repent, and to come to genuine Christianity, receiving the Real Jesus Christ {GOD in the flesh} as your personal LORD and Master; and I personally will still pray that you do.


Matthew 24:24-25 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] "Behold, I have told you in advance.

 

[VCO]

He is the one who wrote that site.
His doctrines are not held by mainline SDA members, nor Millerites.

What is on his page are his own interpretations and beliefs.
So when you read the site with that understanding, his doctrinal beliefs become more clear.

That is what I figured, but I wanted to be sure before I made my last post to him, #362. My son-in-law is SDA, he does not believe like Shubee does.

 

[2Thewaters]

you have a lot of splainen to do:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful,
Counsellor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.

this is what happens when you DISS the old testament
whaat Jesus God told us is the word of God,
you become ignorant of God.




Any Religion who does nor worship Jesus as God is unknowingly being led by satan
for satan reused to worship JESUS in heaven
Lucifer wanted that honor
he never worshipped the son and reused to.
in the desert he told Jesus to worship him
he didnt think he was God at all


Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews?
for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
And let all the angels of God worship him.



Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith,
Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith,
Thy throne, O God,
is for ever and ever:
a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.








Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power:
for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him.
And he said unto me,
See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren
that have the testimony of Jesus:
worship God:


Jesus christ son of God is God almighty

trinity is a catholic term and not in the bible at all

the Father the Son and the holy spirit are DIVINELY ONE sys the Bible
tri means three
there is nothing three about God

Jesus is one God
father is one God
holy spirit is one God
theses one are one.
One God
DIVINITY is the correct term trinity which is a PAGAN KRISHNA NAME for a HINDU GOD
the hindu call their vishnu
THE TINITY

I wont call my God a pagan demon like vishnu
I will use Bible terms

 

[Shubee]

you have a lot of splainen to do:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful,
Counsellor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.

Christ, who is from everlasting to everlasting, is rightfully called "Wonderful Counselor [i.e, the Holy Spirit], Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). When Christ said, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (John 14:9), Christ didn't mean that there is just One of Us or that He and the Father are indistinguishable. Christ meant that He is a Perfect Representative of the Father.

 

[Shubee]

Then I am reasonably sure that the vast majority of mainline Christianity would NOT consider you or those who believe like you, to be part of genuine Christianity, but rather to be part of a polytheistic psuedo-Christian cult. That is not a personal attack, but rather a statement of fact about our beliefs.

Then you are reasonably sure that Churchianity would not consider the Apostle Paul to be a genuine Christian since the Millerites accept Paul's statement of there being only one God, the Father, as part of their fundamental beliefs.

1 Corinthians 8:6-7
"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone knows this." (cf. John 1:3).

 

[Shubee]

We still want reach out in LOVE and to urge you to repent, and to come to genuine Christianity,

And we, the Millerites, urge you to repent of the sin of disparaging Christians that believe that the Father has a rank comparable to the set of all sets and that the Son has a lesser infinite rank and invite you to come to Christ, the real Christ.

 

[Shubee]

Then you are reasonably sure that Churchianity would not consider the Apostle Paul to be a genuine Christian since the Millerites accept Paul's statement of there being only one God, the Father, as part of their fundamental beliefs.

1 Corinthians 8:6-7
"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone knows this." (cf. John 1:3).

For Churchianity to condemn Millerites for believing in one God the Father and not in one God the Trinity is just a bit hypocritical since Churchianity voices no objection to the three demons' messages.

 

[VCO]

Then you are reasonably sure that Churchianity would not consider the Apostle Paul to be a genuine Christian since the Millerites accept Paul's statement of there being only one God, the Father, as part of their fundamental beliefs.

1 Corinthians 8:6-7
"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone knows this." (cf. John 1:3).

And you CANNOT use one verse in a way that contradicts other verses, to do so would be a typical misinterpretation of a false prophet, or a vain attempt to manipulate Scriptures to say what you want it to say:

John 1:1 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 14:8-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us."
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

Titus 2:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

 

[Shubee]

And you CANNOT use one verse in a way that contradicts other verses,

Millerite theology is consistent. The hypocrisy of Churchianity as evidenced in the fact that Churchianity voices no objection to the three demons' messages and their striving to specify how infinite the magnitude of infinity must be proves that they just want to make mountains out of mole hills and are devoid of Christ's Spirit.

 

[VCO]

Millerite theology is consistent. The hypocrisy of Churchianity as evidenced in the fact that Churchianity voices no objection to the three demons' messages and their striving to specify how infinite the magnitude of infinity must be proves that they just want to make mountains out of mole hills and are devoid of Christ's Spirit.

Yes, Millerite theology is consistent, . . . . . . . consistantly full of errors of a false prophet and possibly the doctrines of demons.

The mind of Christ is in me, because I am literally in HIM and He is literally in me. And the Holy Spirit is in me, teaching me all things, and making the Holy Scriptures understandable to me, assuring me that your doctrines are NOT OF GOD.

1 Timothy 4:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,

I have to kick the dust from my shoes now, and go on to someone else.

 

[Shubee]

The mind of Christ is in me, because I am literally in HIM and He is literally in me. And the Holy Spirit is in me, teaching me all things, and making the Holy Scriptures understandable to me,

Try listening harder. You still haven't understood the opening post.

 

[VCO]

Try listening harder. You still haven't understood the opening post.

I will never understand your way of thinking, because I have the Holy Spirit in me, confirming to me that JESUS CHRIST is GOD in the flesh.
I do not listen to deceiving spirits.

1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

You have either convinced yourself, or have been deceived by another spirit, that Jesus Christ is not GOD. Either way you are still following the teachings of a proven False Prophet, William Miller. Since he was proven to be a False Prophet because his prophecy of the Second Coming failed to take place between 1843-1844, the spirit that led him to make that prophecy was a demon. Therefore that same deceiving spirit had to be the one that also led him to determine that Jesus was not GOD.

 

[oldhermit]

I will never understand your way of thinking, because I have the Holy Spirit in me, confirming to me that JESUS CHRIST is GOD in the flesh.
I do not listen to deceiving spirits.

1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

You have either convinced yourself, or have been deceived by another spirit, that Jesus Christ is not GOD. Either way you are still following the teachings of a proven False Prophet, William Miller. Since he was proven to be a False Prophet because his prophecy of the Second Coming failed to take place between 1843-1844, the spirit that led him to make that prophecy was a demon. Therefore that same deceiving spirit had to be the one that also led him to determine that Jesus was not GOD.

He has been banned.